Do people ever call Nintendo “kiddy” anymore? Is that even still a thing? If not, what made it end?

goldenpp73 said:

One scenario i'm curious about, Minecraft started off as kind of a hardcore game adults played, but as its popularity grew it became a game children played and is now marketed with toys and focus on children. Does that retroactively make all the people who played it kiddy?

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The game itself is... no one here has stated that playing "kiddie" games makes you a kid or immature yourself... that's just people being insecure and defensive...

I'm a man in my 30s I can't stand Pokémon games but I love Digimon games and have no shame buying em and discussing the fun I am having with friends who enjoy anime.

bionic77 said:

No one is saying it is right.

We are saying that is still the perception that many people have.

Obviously the people who believe this are dumb but people are allowed to believe what they want and spent their money on what they want.

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Of course they are allowed to think whatever they want. I would not even go that far and call them dumb but they are certainly prejudiced. But, as I said before, it's their loss. Their opinions are not going to stop me from enjoying Nintendo games as much as I enjoy playstation exclusives, some third party multiplattforms or indies (there's a lot of prejudice against them too).

Although, I would certainly prefer if they were less vocal about their beliefs because they might stop some other people from trying some games and enjoying them.

It's still being called "kiddy" to downplay and discredit Nintendo's accomplishments in many forums and rl.

I don't think it will ever go away sadly. Just another weapon used in the great console wars.

I Love Rock 'n' Roll said:

In one hand, compare the Switch with an ipad pro and you have your answer.

Compare Zelda with The Witchet 3 were you can fuck and you have your answer.

Compare Mortal Kombat with Arms and you have your answer.

On the other hand, Doom is on the Switch and it's by far the most advanced game on the systhem. Just check the global sales vs the ones for Splatoon 2 and you have your answer. L.A Noire and Skyrim are not doing that great too .

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You're building a flawed rethoric in your attempt to antagonize Nintendo's ecosystem.

Skyrim, Doom and LA Noire are ports or remastered versions from years old titles already avaliable on multiple systems while Splatoon 2 is a brand new title and perhaps one of the biggest prospects for Switch. You are delusional if you believe years old ports/remasters are going to outsell or even come close to a major system seller's bet. You would be right if Elder Scrolls VI or GTA 6 were made exclusively por Nintendo, but that isn't the case.

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Caliaztec said:

The game itself is... no one here has stated that playing "kiddie" games makes you a kid or immature yourself... that's just being insecure and defensive...

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If you as an adult use the word kiddy or feel the need to designate stuff as such you really need to change your parameters or priorities in terms of maturity.

I mean playing games into your 30-40's was for a long time seemed to be childish in and of itself and is still seen as such for some. So I wonder where anyone finds time to care about this stuff as an adult.

Casual would be a more appropriate term. Nintendo targets a wide range of people and the family friendly aspect is important to them as well. Thats why their games sell so well. I remember the DS being pretty much equal in female/male demographics, which was unprecedented. They do, however, target more specific groups on lesser succesfull consoles or on declining hardware. The GC and WiiU and also 3DS was specifically targeted at kids at some point in their life.

Caliaztec said:

I guess the fact that they've done zero marketing for kids just doesn't make it seem that way. And as I've said I have yet to hear about it with friends kids or seen it ever streamed on the multititudes of game streamers my niece and nephew like... I honestly don't believe it's player base is significantly young at all. It's easy enough to pick up and play but the real meat of the game is online and competitive and that's not usually really popular for kids.

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Well that would depend on what kids are around you. The kids in my family love playing Rocket League and Overwatch, even if they're not very good at it. Hell, neither am I so I can't say much. Since when are kids turned off from online games? A ton of kids got into FPS's like Halo, CoD, and Overwatch. I remember a ton of kids back in middle school being hyped for Halo 3. That's about the time I played it a lot too, mainly at my friend's house as I didn't own a 360 at the time. It's not as if kids are going to play competitively or that the game is specifically and it geared towards competitively so that's not really a factor. I myself don't play competitively as I just wanna relax and have fun

Had this guy in his early 20s say " I can't be caught playing Nintendo" when I offered to play 2 player MK8D on Switch yesterday

Friends of mine still say it now

Nintendo is still the family-friendly brand. You could call that "kiddy". Anyone who denies that is delusional.

Virtually all of Nintendo's characters are mascots, cartoon characters and appeal to children. That's not to say that adults can't enjoy them but Nintendo's market is aimed towards children.

That's also not to say that you can't find mature or adult titles on Nintendo systems but it's not the main focus like it is on PS4/XB1.

Personally, I'm happy Nintendo has stuck to their values as it's allowed them to survive this long.

Caliaztec said:

I guess the fact that they've done zero marketing for kids just doesn't make it seem that way. And as I've said I have yet to hear about it with friends kids or seen it ever streamed on the multititudes of game streamers my niece and nephew like... I honestly don't believe it's player base is significantly young at all. It's easy enough to pick up and play but the real meat of the game is online and competitive and that's not usually really popular for kids.

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I don't have numbers to back my opinion (if you do, it would be great if you could share them), but it's quite the opposite to what you said. I'm not sure how many kids play the game (my anecdotal evidence suggests there are quite a number of them) but there's a lot of toxicity on the community. If most of the community are adults, they certainly don't behave as mature ones. And I love the game and have being played it for some time even if I'm not a hardcore fan. I enjoy it a lot but the furthest thing from my mind when I played it online is maturity and levelheadedness.

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Principate said:

If you as an adult use the word kiddy or feel the need to designate stuff as such you really need to change your parameters or priorities in terms of maturity.

I mean playing games into your 30-40's was for a long time seemed to be childish in and of itself and is still seen as such for some. So I wonder where anyone finds time to care about this stuff as an adult.

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with calling things "kiddie" unless you're insecure... I into my adulthood own tons of toys and enjoy many games of every rating... currently enjoying Portal Knights on my Switch which is indeed kiddie! When I get back home to my PS4 Pro I'll be continueing my playthrough of Knack 2, and Crash Collection that are both kiddie!

My entire living room bless my wife for letting me have this room to decorate is a fucking kiddie wonderland! And I wouldn't have it any other way!


On my worst days when I need a good laugh I'll put in my DVD copy of Heavyweights or the original Power Rangers movie because they are both things I cherish from my childhood both are Kiddie... just got done watching my favorite Xmas movie with my Wife and In-laws which is Jingle All the Way... a very kiddie Christmas movie... when I'm on my days off and my wife is working and I have the TV to myself I'm watching Avengers Assemble, and other Marvel cartoons or rewatching X-men, Spider-Man, and Batman TAS from my youth.

The difference is I don't give two shits about people labelling the things I love as kiddie because I am a grown man who does not get insecure over what people label the things I enjoy.

As far as I am concerned anything that's rated E-E10, and even some T games are kiddie, and I love them. And a lot of the movies and shows are kiddie and I love them! The word is too serious and I cherish things that are whimsical and lighthearted but they are still kiddie... now if the label was "childish" then you'd see me on the other end of the argument but kiddie =\= childish.

John Konstantin said:

I don't have numbers to back my opinion (if you do, it would be great if you could share them), but it's quite the opposite to what you said. I'm not sure how many kids play the game (my anecdotal evidence suggests there are quite a number of them) but there's a lot of toxicity on the community. If most of the community are adults, they certainly don't behave as mature ones. And I love the game and have being played it for some time even if I'm not a hardcore fan. I enjoy it a lot but the furthest thing from my mind when I played it online is maturity and levelheadedness.

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Unfortunately age and maturity do not get acquired side by side... age is something finite that is earned as you well...age. Maturity needs to be gained and acquired.

Caliaztec said:

There's absolutely nothing wrong with calling things "kiddie" unless you're insecure... I into my adulthood own tons of toys and enjoy many games of every rating... currently enjoying Portal Knights on my Switch which is indeed kiddie! When I get back home to my PS4 Pro I'll be continueing my playthrough of Knack 2, and Crash Collection that are both kiddie!

My entire living room bless my wife for letting me have this room to decorate is a fucking kiddie wonderland! And I wouldn't have it any other way!

On my worst days when I need a good laugh I'll put in my DVD copy of Heavyweights or the original Power Rangers movie because they are both things I cherish from my childhood both are Kiddie... just got done watching my favorite Xmas movie with my Wife and In-laws which is Jingle All the Way... a very kiddie Christmas movie... when I'm on my days off and my wife is working and I have the TV to myself I'm watching Avengers Assemble, and other Marvel cartoons or rewatching X-men, Spider-Man, and Batman TAS from my youth.

The difference is I don't give two shits about people labelling the things I love as kiddie because I am a grown man who does not get insecure over what people label the things I enjoy.

As far as I am concerned anything that's rated E-E10, and even some T games are kiddie, and I love them. And a lot of the movies and shows are kiddie and I love them! The word is too serious and I cherish things that are whimsical and lighthearted but they are still kiddie... now if the label was "childish" then you'd see me on the other end of the argument but kiddie =\= childish.

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There certainly is because only someone insecure goes to that effort. I'vs never come across an adult I consider to be mature use the term and I have never felt the need to. I've heard it only come from teenagers and young adults trying to separate themselves from it. It's meaningless. It just doesn't come into use in typical lexicon. The average hustle and bustle to earn ends meat you'll rarely come enough someone that cares enough to make such a distinction.

Principate said:

There certainly is because only someone insecure goes to that effort. I'vs never come across an adult I consider to be mature use the term and I have never felt the need to. I'he heard it come from teenagers and young adults trying to separate themselves from it. It's meaningless. It just doesn't come into use in typical lexicon. The average hustle and bustle to earn ends meat you''ll rarely come enough someone that cares enough to make such a distinction.

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We are obviously talking about someone using the term "kiddie" in two very different ways then.

If I have a friend over and ask if he wants to play MK8 and he says naw fuck that it's a kiddie game...... then whatever haha I offer to play some EDF or something more graphic. This is probably what you refer too and could care less thats his opinion and he's entitled to it, doesn't make me think less of him, or me... if you do care that much you're just as insecure as you claim the people who use the term "kiddie" are.

If I have a friend over and ask if he wants to play MK8 and he says fuck yeah I play that with my little brother all the time... I would be like yeah me and my nephew play it all the time too it's a great kiddie game to play. How the hell could this be immature, insecure, or insulting in anyway?

As far as I'm concerned the only time the word "kiddie" should ever raise issue with someone is if Kiddie is followed by porn. Otherwise game the fuck on. Sheesh. I'm a man child but I am also an adult when it's required but my natural state is that of a man child. Superheroes and Video games are my life!

I don't consider them "kiddy", just "ruthlessly corporate and cynical".

Sygma said:

Its still very childlike and casual as hell yeah

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"Casual"? As opposed to....?

Sure hope you're not into XB1 or PS4 cuz those consoles scream casual.

I think a big turning point was when the 'hardcore' crowd started souring on FPS and Call of Duty in particular. It seemed like in the late 2000s that all gamers were late teens early 20s, and the only thing 'mature' enough for teens and early 20s was an online shooter.
Obviously shooters are still really popular but what qualifies as 'hardcore' gaming has expanded a lot since then- I think the dominance of steam and the rise of pc gaming in general drove that expansion- particularly indies (youtubers had a lot to do with that). A lot of pc games and indies became big without trying to be Call of duty style 'mature,' (Minecraft, horror games, LoL/Dota 2 etc.) Plus people got older, started having families- no one calls a person 'kiddie' that has to deal with a newborn baby. Made The insult itself seem worthless.
Overwatch is a good example of how far we've come- in the early 2010s, a cartoonish, brightly colored class driven FPS would never have taken over gaming.

Since it's digital toys, so "kiddie" seems about right.

I'd rather have "fun and colorful" than puerile, which is how I would describe most "mature" videogames.

GC was their kiddie era.

Wii was their casual era.

WiiU was their wilderness era that kinda reset everything.

Everyone loves Switch.

It's obviously still more a younger audience machine(Switch) - or marketed as such. I own one, but it lacks a lot of things to make it feel more like an adult machine.

Does/or has Nintendo ever made a mature game with their first party developers?

Merrill said:

It's obviously still more a younger audience machine(Switch) - or marketed as such. I own one, but it lacks a lot of things to make it feel more like an adult machine.

Does/or has Nintendo ever made a mature game with their first party developers?

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Yeah, Zelda and Metroid.

Honestly I remember people saying it about the Wii U Gamepad, so if anything killed it it's the lack of success of that console and how much people like the Switch.

Most of this gaming crap is kiddy until the company makes something you like.

dampflokfreund said:

Yeah, Zelda and Metroid.

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Mature rated. Those games are not "M" rated. Great games though.

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Mature rated. Those games are not "M" rated. Great games though.

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Ah, you meant mature rated. In that case, I think Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild are Rated M in Australia. Otherwise, I don't think so. It's worth mentioning that they publish more m rated games now like Bayonetta.

dampflokfreund said:

Ah, you meant mature rated. In that case, I think Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild are Rated M in Australia. Otherwise, I don't think so. It's worth mentioning that they publish more m rated games now like Bayonetta.

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Yeah, that's a good point. I'm looking forward to those.

Bahamut said:

That was a middle/high-school thing. Adults realize that a good game is a good game whether gore or adult themes exist or not.

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Spot on.

In my experience, kiddie was replaced with 'paedo'.

SuperFakerBros said:

Well that would depend on what kids are around you. The kids in my family love playing Rocket League and Overwatch, even if they're not very good at it. Hell, neither am I so I can't say much. Since when are kids turned off from online games? A ton of kids got into FPS's like Halo, CoD, and Overwatch. I remember a ton of kids back in middle school being hyped for Halo 3. That's about the time I played it a lot too, mainly at my friend's house as I didn't own a 360 at the time. It's not as if kids are going to play competitively or that the game is specifically and it geared towards competitively so that's not really a factor. I myself don't play competitively as I just wanna relax and have fun

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Can't agree more.

Nintendo's overall age from it's userbase it's mostly composed of 18-30 years old men. Kids nowadays don't play Mario, Zelda or most of Nintendo's library, they're into COD, GTA, Battlefield, PUBG, LOL, Minecraft, CS:GO, Dota, Overwatch and other titles. Most of kids also hate the "kiddy" stereotype. I can tell from my son's experience and his friends. They really don't care about Nintendo's titles. Nintendo games appeals mostly to core gamers and adults who mostly were around Nintendo's peak at the 80's and 90's. In reality, Nintendo actually is struggling to remain relevant to certain age demographics. The generation from PS2/Xbox/GCN era onward grew up in a time Nintendo wasn't the paradigm for gaming as they once were and some of them even had any contact with those games.

Like I said, the kiddy image was a marketing strategy built by it's competitors and took a major hit into their mainstream appeal. Nintendo, in their arrogance, didn't properly managed to counter it and underestimated the negative effects from such image for a very long time and how they were promoting their games and system, especially from GCN till Wii U actually enforced those stereotypes.

Switch is trying to reverse this image, as their publishing deals and new experiences are indications, but they'll struggle hard to properly do so.

I always seen Nintendo has a more family friendly company. And honestly I don't see that has a bad thing.
I do not expect Nintendo to ever release a trailer like this.

lmcfigs said:

It's definitely a console for kids. But it doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. It's like a Disney movie.

What I don't like is people claiming to be more mature because they play Nintendo games. It's like saying jumping around in the playground when you're a grown man is mature.

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Saying it's fine to enjoy them and then comparing it to a grown man jumping around in a playground is incredibly reductive and outright insulting.

Yes, it is like Disney or Pixar, in the way that they make films that are incredible and appeal to all ages for different reasons. A child could very well enjoy Breath of the Wild a ton, but an adult would be the one to actually appreciate the nuances of its design and understand why it's such an amazing experience. These are games trying to appeal for everyone, not just kids. To say they're only trying to appeal to the latter is really really selling short the level of craft that goes into making such experiences appeal to so many people.

It's like trying to compare The Lion King to the Minions. One's a classic everyone young and old love, and one's something adults 'might' like if they're stretching it but is mainly a kid thing. There's completely different levels of craft and effort involved in making either, so lumping Lion King as a 'kiddy' movie would be a massive insult.

John Konstantin said:

Of course they are allowed to think whatever they want. I would not even go that far and call them dumb but they are certainly prejudiced. But, as I said before, it's their loss. Their opinions are not going to stop me from enjoying Nintendo games as much as I enjoy playstation exclusives, some third party multiplattforms or indies (there's a lot of prejudice against them too).

Although, I would certainly prefer if they were less vocal about their beliefs because they might stop some other people from trying some games and enjoying them.

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I will stick with dumb.

Geniuses don't have opinions like that.

Kids in general probably do. Fanboyism and ones lack of ability to understand it's okay not to like just mature content will always do that to them.

People would make fun of the fact that I like Disney is high school. It was bizarre.

It's like Pixar. The games are for the whole family to enjoy. Well, maybe not Bayonetta.

daTRUballin said:

I'm pretty sure Perfect Dark was the first M-rated game that Nintendo published, not Eternal Darkness. I could be wrong though.



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Pretty sure Perfect Dark was fully published by Rare and not Nintendo.

I consider Nintendo to be casual and I have zero interest in anything they do. Literally there is not a single Nintendo game I wish I could play. I love fighting games and they even manage to make their fighting game look like one of the most casual and goofy things I've ever seen. Part of it is also because I'm a graphics whore and Nintendo basically only does bright cartoonish stuff that just adds more fuel to the casual/kiddie fire. If someone gave me a switch I'd sell it so fast lol.

I'm sure my opinion will ruffle feathers but oh well. Last time I was excited about Nintendo was golden eye and jet force gemini. Sadly Microsoft been going the cartoonish route a lot lately too.

pswii60 said:

It's like Pixar. The games are for the whole family to enjoy. Well, maybe not Bayonetta.

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I think there's something within Bayonetta for mommy and daddy to enjoy alongside the kids

IMO, no matter the spin, the label "kiddie" has a negative connotation; even outside of gaming. Also, family-oriented, and "kiddie," should not mean the same thing. When I think family-oriented I think: Nintendo, Cedar Point, Universal Studio ... etc... When I think "kiddie," I think devices like Leap Frog etc. Further, the fact that Nintendo uses bright colors in their games does not mean it is for kids only (which adults just happen to play).

In the end, people love their labels, which fuels console wars (kiddie, dude bro, etc)...which the gaming community thrives off of.

Swap 'kiddy' with 'cynical nostalgia pandering' and you'd be closer to the mark.

BOTW largely eschewed the latter and hence it was the most interesting thing Nintendo's done in years.

Daisya said:

I consider Nintendo to be casual and I have zero interest in anything they do. Literally there is not a single Nintendo game I wish I could play. I love fighting games and they even manage to make their fighting game look like one of the most casual and goofy things I've ever seen. Part of it is also because I'm a graphics whore and Nintendo basically only does bright cartoonish stuff that just adds more fuel to the casual/kiddie fire. If someone gave me a switch I'd sell it so fast lol.

I'm sure my opinion will ruffle feathers but oh well. Last time I was excited about Nintendo was golden eye and jet force gemini. Sadly Microsoft been going the cartoonish route a lot lately too.

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and PS and Xbox aren't?

The people who think Nintendo is kiddie are in fact childish themselves and cannot understand this quote from C.S. Lewis:

"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."

I'd like to think that Bayonetta was the "Renaissance" for Nintendo in terms of the ladies since it seems like Bayonetta 2, the ladies have got to have more of an appeal and is more developed than what was previously seen (or seen much more now than ever).

Same can be said about how the games have been handled too since it isn't all purely "Kiddy" as it might have been. Hell, I'd go as far as to say that there have been some fair amount of content that has been around since the 64 days that you could argue that Nintendo wasn't aimed at just one demographic. Honestly, overall, it makes me wonder if the whole reason why that was the case was that we didn't see any of the "Super High End" Mature games on the Nintendo Home Consoles like GTA. Pretty sure that if we can have Skyrim come out on the Switch from Bethesda, there would be an audience that would kill to see GTAV (or even perhaps GTA Online) on the Switch from Rockstar.

That reminds me. How did LA Noire do on Switch?

SyndicateWars said:

Can't agree more.

Nintendo's overall age from it's userbase it's mostly composed of 18-30 years old men. Kids nowadays don't play Mario, Zelda or most of Nintendo's library, they're into COD, GTA, Battlefield, PUBG, LOL, Minecraft, CS:GO, Dota, Overwatch and other titles. Most of kids also hate the "kiddy" stereotype. I can tell from my son's experience and his friends. They really don't care about Nintendo's titles. Nintendo games appeals mostly to core gamers and adults who mostly were around Nintendo's peak at the 80's and 90's. In reality, Nintendo actually is struggling to remain relevant to certain age demographics. The generation from PS2/Xbox/GCN era onward grew up in a time Nintendo wasn't the paradigm for gaming as they once were and some of them even had any contact with those games.

Like I said, the kiddy image was a marketing strategy built by it's competitors and took a major hit into their mainstream appeal. Nintendo, in their arrogance, didn't properly managed to counter it and underestimated the negative effects from such image for a very long time and how they were promoting their games and system, especially from GCN till Wii U actually enforced those stereotypes.

Switch is trying to reverse this image, as their publishing deals and new experiences are indications, but they'll struggle hard to properly do so.

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i can confirm this

as a kid growing up in the 00s, gta san andreas opened up the conversation about video games for us during recess.
for all i knew, i was the only kid in my elementary school that played video games prior to san andreas.
then when halo/cod started getting really popular, the conversation shifted over to those games.
online gaming was a huge new thing for us at the time so we were on that shit heavy.

nintendo was tossed aside and never given the light of day

it han't gone anywhere I always hear it is as the "Family oriented console"

Enforcer said:

It's still being called "kiddy" to downplay and discredit Nintendo's accomplishments in many forums and rl.

I don't think it will ever go away sadly. Just another weapon used in the great console wars.

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I agree with this post. I used to be a console warrior. It was pretty immature. I still think people can have a mature discussion about the merits of games and game consoles. But I don't see the reason for generalizing.

Enforcer said:

It's still being called "kiddy" to downplay and discredit Nintendo's accomplishments in many forums and rl.

I don't think it will ever go away sadly. Just another weapon used in the great console wars.

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I might find Nintendo games "kiddie" or catering to a younger demographic or family friendly games.. but how is that diminishing their game of the year awards? 90 plus metric games? Extremely polished as well? I feel some get defensive over this which is nonsense cause Nintendo is very proud of this.

Phendrift said:

and PS and Xbox aren't?

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lol? Horizon, Uncharted, Ryse and even Quantum Break are the type of games you'd never see come from Nintendo. Mario is casual, ARMS is casual, Splatoon is casual it's all super casual bright goofy stuff. Even Zelda, I'd rather play a Witcher 3 over Zelda any day of the week. Of course this is all just my opinion though and if you love Nintendo then more power to you. I'm a gamer to play games like those I mentioned previously. They're the games that interest me, I look at them and I go "wow that looks badass and I want to play it". Nintendo can't seem to put out games that make me say that, like at all. If Bayonetta was actually made by Nintendo I'd give them a little credit as I would probably enjoy that game but NOPE. Not to mention the fact that even Nintendo's hardware comes off as casual as hell.

Noctis said:

I might find Nintendo games "kiddie" or catering to a younger demographic or family friendly games.. but how is that diminishing their game of the year awards? 90 plus metric games? Extremely polished as well? I feel some get defensive over this which is nonsense cause Nintendo is very proud of this.

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I agree with this. Nintendo obviously makes super polished games good games. They just don't attract me at all lol.

carlosrox said:

"Casual"? As opposed to....?

Sure hope you're not into XB1 or PS4 cuz those consoles scream casual.

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You should think before speaking you know.

Not only are the main ips of Nintendo on the easy side of the spectrum (Mario and Zelda not even offering any decent challenge, be them in puzzles or combat), but the aesthetic of their games are also always on the childlike side. I'll always play Nintendo stuff in order to have fun here and then but that's about it