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Catherine: Full Body Announced for the PS4 and PS Vita [Updated]
- Thread starter Minako
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Based on character traits that relate to actual real people.
For example, if you use that word to an actual trans person, that is an incredibly shitty thing to do.
And I'm a human. Most transwoman (including myself) do not care for this word. Please be more considerate.
"Trap" is a slur, please refrain from using it. Thank you.
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My gf loved this game for some reason. I never wanted to play it, but will be buying her the remaster whenever it comes out.
In that scene he reacted immediately even seeing the back of Catherine. Like, literally the first second he saw her in his bed.
This time he specifically saw her naked for awhile already and only reacted that way when he saw her crotch.
I feel like people making this comparison don't actually remeber the scene in original Catherine.
His reaction to Catherine was more 'oh shit she's in my bed'.
Because he had the time between rin calling out his name, her adjusting her body for a few seconds so the camera can tastefully have Vincent's head block her crotch as he is sitting upright, presumably having already woken up, and then cut to his face reacting.
Also notice how quite a bit of the promo is based on obscuring her crotch yet highlighting it as a place of great interest.
I could be wrong, but...
To me, it doesn't look like Rin is turning around when Vincent sees her crotch, she's just moving in front of him. I would be that Vincent saying "Rin" isn't actually attached to the timing of that scene.
Atlus uses quite a bit of editing trickery to make things seem differently than they actually are in-game. A lot of that is apparent when you go back and watch some Persona 5 trailers, with how they add dialogue that was from an entirely different part of the game to a cutscene, modifying the timing of that cutscene to make it seem like it's about something different than it actually is.
Rin's identity is a separate issue, but I don't think that scene is necessarily Vincent staring at her naked body for a while, and then seeing her crotch after she turns and reveals it.
Than they should frame it better.
Because they do put a lot of focus on her crotch.
Even the reaction shot is framed to him reacting while staring at her crotch.
Because they do put a lot of focus on her crotch.
Even the reaction shot is framed to him reacting while staring at her crotch.
The scene can still be him reacting to seeing her crotch.
Too many assumptions going around.
We assume because atlus has been historically offensive at this issue.
And when they're trying their damndest to make us think this is the case...
And when they're trying their damndest to make us think this is the case...
Allow me to interject for a moment.
That's uh, basically the premise of the original Catherine.
Vincent is someone who would freak out at seeing a woman's crotch, because he knows he's potentially engaged to someone else.
However, where this gets a little more ambiguous is what the original Catherine established.
Rin is described as a "healing entity" to the nightmare, so Rin is obviously related to the nightmares, and since, within the context of this game, another transexual character is subjected to the same nightmares as men (Erica), there is therefore a distinct possibility Rin could be either man or woman.
Therefore, the two possibilities you can derive is that either A.) Rin is a Succubus, which is unlikely because Catherine should be the only succubus in the game's story, or B.) Rin is also suffering the nightmares, which would make her a male within the context of this game
Are angels even a physical thing that exists in Catherine lore? You have the cupid references so I mean yeah, they could introduce completely new lore to fit the character too, but to me, I perceive that as sort of sequel territory and not re-master territory. Then again, Mary's existence in P4G did something similar to the original P4 story if I recall. So I guess there's precedent for Atlus doing that.
I don't actually appreciate the way Atlus changes the game's story to accomodate new characters. Makes me want to buy this remaster less. Let's see what they do.
Whether or not she is male or transgender, that doesn't inform how or why that scene is unraveling. Like, it's obvious that Vincent isn't just waking up in that scene, considering he's fully clothed.
Dude I've played and finished Catherine, I know what it is.
Then that makes it even more egregious because he might be fully awake, as opposed to the scene everyone is referencing where he just barely woke up and was more reacting to her being in his bed.
But, again, you don't know what's going on in that scene. What if she invited him to her house, he calls out to her, and she just moves into the room, in front of him, completely naked? There is missing context. And using that missing context to come to conclusions is erroneous.
atlus doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt on this imo considering how they've handled similar stuff before
Dude people do that all the time for atlus trailers. Just look at that fucking "emancipation" trailer. Of course I'm going to speculate. That's what atlus fans do. And I'm speculating on what's presented in that trailer, and why I have come to the conclusions that I did. I have already posted why.
I could very well be wrong, if anything I'm hoping to be proven wrong, because I wish for atlus to correct how they've treated LGBT characters since like, 4, but I can only work on what they've provided so far and again on their prior history.
Speculating is fine, but you were initially talking about your observation as if it was fact. Which is why I interjected. We don't know, so we can only guess. But our guesses aren't fact.
Like, I'm just neutral on the whole thing. The scene could go one way, it can go another. They can be intentionally misleading with their trailers, but maybe they're playing it straight.
Regardless, I doubt this game will have two transgender characters, so that's my personal guess.
I mean I don't think i, or anyone, needs to append everything they say with "imo". It should already be assumed.
It's obvious Vincent is freaking out because instead of a penis, Rin has a big fat Mara hanging there; chariot and all.
Even Vincent's freaking head is following her crotch lol.
They obviously wants us to think that something is going on in that region.
OK, the title taking the shape of the panties is kinda amazing
Regarding the... uh, crotch scene, I didn't interpret it as being a reaction to unexpected private parts (lol). The original game featured multiple scenes where Vincent finds himself in unexpected situations regarding girls and he freaks because he's trying to stay true to Katherine. This is probably just another case of that.
Regarding the... uh, crotch scene, I didn't interpret it as being a reaction to unexpected private parts (lol). The original game featured multiple scenes where Vincent finds himself in unexpected situations regarding girls and he freaks because he's trying to stay true to Katherine. This is probably just another case of that.
This.
That said, Atlus probably expected that reaction from people and is playing it up for the audience (does Rin has boy parts? Is she younger than she should? etc), to give a twist at the end that there's actually nothing special.
Actually I just realised that the website even has the video situated in a convenient way so that would it would go over her crotch.
With Vincent trembling directly underneath it.
Huh.
Edit: this is obviously very subtle imagery.
With Vincent trembling directly underneath it.
Huh.
Edit: this is obviously very subtle imagery.
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Is that not a callback to the key art for the first game?
There's a difference between one's opinion being implied, and refuting another's point without saying that it's your opinion.
I get that but regardless of how the game turns out, Atlus definitely knows what they're doing with this specific trailer, and it feels shitty.
Is that not a callback to the key art for the first game?
Huh, that's a good point actually. Could very well be that.
So, with all this speculation that Rin may be be transgender, I feel like a lot of the criticism is targeting Vincent's reaction.
Honestly, though... wouldn't that be a normal reaction for someone who identifies as heterosexual? I don't perceive his shock as a negative jab at the LGBT community, but as a legitimate and reasonable emotion—the question is how the game handles it from there. Will Vincent explore and come to an understanding about gender identity and sexuality? Or will it be another throwaway and horribly handled depiction?
How it's handled matters more than what Rin's sexual identity is. Hopefully, it's not a repeat of the original game, but I don't think there should be so much ire just yet until there is actually more solid evidence.
Honestly, though... wouldn't that be a normal reaction for someone who identifies as heterosexual? I don't perceive his shock as a negative jab at the LGBT community, but as a legitimate and reasonable emotion—the question is how the game handles it from there. Will Vincent explore and come to an understanding about gender identity and sexuality? Or will it be another throwaway and horribly handled depiction?
Like with Erica
How it's handled matters more than what Rin's sexual identity is. Hopefully, it's not a repeat of the original game, but I don't think there should be so much ire just yet until there is actually more solid evidence.
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Just watched the trailer. I'm interested in this new girl and how she's gonna change the development of the story.
Regarding all the complaints about the LGBT theme in Catherine, I think some people are over exaggerating to the point where they feel offended by how some user s says something.
Regarding all the complaints about the LGBT theme in Catherine, I think some people are over exaggerating to the point where they feel offended by how some user s says something.
"Full Body" leads me to believe she is endowed with both genitalia. I personally like the angel theory(could still be a hermaphrodite or have no genitalia...when was the last time anyone saw an angel?) and think the game could do a lot with it. Vincent's reaction is his typical reaction to everything in the game so this could discussion could be for nothing. Atlus did succeed in getting people to talk though.
The stupidest idea is the underage route. Please don't be that.
The stupidest idea is the underage route. Please don't be that.
Eh. If that is his reaction, then I see no issue with it to be honest due to the context. It would be the same in real life for most men or women depending on context.
Two new theories:
Rin is a Proxy theory (Catherine spoilers)
Velvet Room Attendant theory
Rin is a Proxy theory (Catherine spoilers)
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Velvet Room Attendant theory
What are you talking about specifically?
Also considering the representation in the first Catherine and then in Persona 5 this year, people's concerns seem valid.
