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Catherine: Full Body Announced for the PS4 and PS Vita [Updated]
- Thread starter Minako
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Isn't the true ending Vincent not ending up with any girls. Instead pursuing his own dreams as an individual? If that is indeed the case then I don't think the introduction of the new character will really change much on that path. Though I have to wonder if she really does open up a third path then how would you get it? Catherine is bad on the meter, Katherine is good on the meter, and the "true" ending is in the middle right? Doesn't exactly leave many options for a 4th path.
So they're adding "erotic events?" I'm curious what this means. Unless they dramatically change the story, tone and characters, I'm not even sure where you'd add such things.
Catherine was marketed as an erotic game, but it barely had any suggestive content. The main character doesn't even recall his encounters with the titular character and wonders if it's all just in his head. The whole point of the story is how the characters seek genuine emotional connections but they're afraid of commitment. It doesn't treat love or intimacy as some throwaway thing. These aren't cheap thrill-seekers; they're confused people trying to figure out what the other people in their lives mean to them.
The game already managed a fine balance with the characters of Catherine and Katherine. I'm apprehensive of whether they can add a third Catherine (Rin) without upsetting that balance, and if they can add "erotic events" without upsetting the tone.
Catherine was marketed as an erotic game, but it barely had any suggestive content. The main character doesn't even recall his encounters with the titular character and wonders if it's all just in his head. The whole point of the story is how the characters seek genuine emotional connections but they're afraid of commitment. It doesn't treat love or intimacy as some throwaway thing. These aren't cheap thrill-seekers; they're confused people trying to figure out what the other people in their lives mean to them.
The game already managed a fine balance with the characters of Catherine and Katherine. I'm apprehensive of whether they can add a third Catherine (Rin) without upsetting that balance, and if they can add "erotic events" without upsetting the tone.
fwiw, Erica is a cherished friend in the group, and there's no pressure on Toby to do or not do something; it's very much a "you do you" sort of group, a group of real friends, even if the one twists seems a bit in poor taste
The same thing running at 1080p/60 (or 4K/60 on Pro) would still be pretty sweet. The game has a very striking art style.
It would def run way better I suppose. But Atlus is always so slow with taking advantage of current gen hardware.
I don't like how colorful the remake looks. I loved the atmosphere of vanilla Catherine.Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see huge differences between the two versions:
And I don't mean this as a negative. The art of the original game was already superb. Just increase the resolution to 1080p (and maybe 4k on pro) and I'm totally cool.
I wouldn't mind a fan service game. I would just hate it if they turned Catherine into one.
It would be really great if they were given the freedom to redo certain aspects of the dialogue around her, but I definitely have doubts that it would happen, especially with the core game already being localized...
For a "cherished friend", they really treat her quite poorly in several instances, even disregarding the "twist" in one of the endings.
"Cherished friend" Vincent literally says to her face she isn't a woman.
Vincent's also a jerk. She takes it in stride. Doesn't justify it, but that's the kind of friendship they have.
No, she gets mad whenever he says stuff like that. She doesn't take it in stride.
If she gets mad about someone saying she's not a woman, then she's not taking it in stride. That means it bothers her, and its a real shitty thing to say to someone in the first place.
You are right, colours seem more "brightful". But it could also be more light on the scenes we used to compare. Maybe they provide us with more material on friday during the streaming.
By the way, games with releases on both ps4 and Vita are usually the same version?. I assumed Vita version of such games would be downgraded one (like 3DS version of Smash or Hyrule warriors vs Wii U versions), but unfortunately I don't own a Vita so I don't know.
I refuse to believe this much compression could exist in 2017.
Usually the same content with graphics/performance turned down on Vita. It's pretty noticeable but not as much a gulf as 3DS/Wii U.
Huh, I actually don't remember Vincent commenting on the matter.
There's a bit of optional dialogue where she talks about how much she loves women's wrestling, which surprises Vincent. I think then she says something like how she'd love to compete, and Vincent says "I think they only allow women to compete" and she gets pissed off at him. There's a couple other throwaway lines like that which I don't remember off the top of my head.
Look here (major spoilers) to see some of the "hints" the game gives that Erica is trans. Vincent and his friends both comment on it, but never in a supportive way. It's always dismissive of Erica's femininity.
Atlus is def offensive with their LGBT contents but for what it's worth me and my friends always joke around and give each others a hard time when we are all together, so there is that as well.
I don't have a Vita myself either but like other have said, it's usually the same contents but with worse visuals and/or performance.
Yeah, hopefully this is just a case of different lightning in different scenes, but those Katherine images earlier don't fill me with confidence either. We just have to wait and hope that they haven't changed the atmosphere of the game too much.
I don't have a Vita myself either but like other have said, it's usually the same contents but with worse visuals and/or performance.
As far as I know, I'm pretty sure people don't like the phrasing "born as a man"
But in game, yea that's why they are giving her those dreams
Erica also has the dreams, which is the game's way of hinting that she's not a "real woman". Some people make the argument that since Boss controls the dreams, it's just him imposing his own archaic views on gender, but when several other characters are dismissive of Erica's gender we're left with nothing but the narrative that Erica is not "genuinely female". It's very unfortunate.
Yeah, but would you ever tell a trans friend that they aren't really a man or a woman and expect that to just pass as some fun ribbing?
Since Erica was born a biological male, and since she chooses to date a biological man when she can't carry his children, the fertility god sends her to the dream world, yes
The argument that it's just due to her being unable to carry children falls apart because there are no other women having the nightmares.
Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see huge differences between the two versions:
And I don't mean this as a negative. The art of the original game was already superb. Just increase the resolution to 1080p (and maybe 4k on pro) and I'm totally cool.
I dunno, the lighting differences are pretty stark there to me. The Stray Sheep in the original game is more darkly lit, colors are slightly desaturated, there's higher contrast between bright and shaded areas, there's a hazy light bloom that's gone in the remake.
Tbh I'll probably say the same thing to my close friends in jest.
If they are a very close friend and I know they won't take it seriously than yeah.
The idea is that she's stopping Toby from meeting a girl who could carry children
Also, the game limits the scope of the dream world people to people you meet in the bar.
Also, the game limits the scope of the dream world people to people you meet in the bar.
Yeah, that's not gonna fly which makes Atlus' approach at best tone-deaf and at worst very offensive. And judging by what they did in Persona 5, sadly I think it's more of the latter than former.
If you've never been in that situation, let me just go ahead and tell you. Don't do this.
I mean, hey, not being trans myself I'm definitely not the all-speaking authority or anything, and we all interpret things differently, but I think the thing to keep in mind is not everyone might be receptive to jokes like that from their friends, considering what they already have to put up with from people who aren't, or even from their own doubts in some cases. Course, there could be people who are, but it probably hits a bit close to home for a lot of people.
That's because it's a cutout of a digital magazine scan. Prrrooobably shouldn't be posted here.
Maybe they'll take the criticism to heart and remove the offending scenes?
With anything personal — sexuality, gender orientation, experience or lack thereof, etc — you need to know your friends' feelings really well if you're going to make jokes. And they need to know yours.
It's probably safest to just not make jokes about anything personal. But at the same time, I'm not going to tell people how to handle their own friends.
As for Catherine, I think Erica's reasons for appearing in the other world is an interesting red herring that's good for keeping you guessing regarding the lore. But I agree that it'd be preferable to remove the "jokes" about it.
It's probably safest to just not make jokes about anything personal. But at the same time, I'm not going to tell people how to handle their own friends.
As for Catherine, I think Erica's reasons for appearing in the other world is an interesting red herring that's good for keeping you guessing regarding the lore. But I agree that it'd be preferable to remove the "jokes" about it.
There are a bunch of unnamed guys you meet in the rest areas between climbing segments that don't appear in the bar. If it truly was actually about punishing everyone that was stopping people from procreating then we'd see more women there as well and not just Erica.
But IIRC, she starts receiving the nightmares before starting a relationship with Tobby so I'm not sure it would be a valid reason
The game is pretty explicit about targeting men — as in, biological men — that the fertility goddess believes are stopping women, or other men, from participating in relationships that will lead to children.
I'm not endorsing this attitude, mind you — sending anyone to a dream world where they can get killed is fucked up! But the game does seem consistent in its logic.
I'm not endorsing this attitude, mind you — sending anyone to a dream world where they can get killed is fucked up! But the game does seem consistent in its logic.
Maybe the fertility goddess perceived her as flirting with Toby, keeping Toby's eyes off biological women who could have kids, etc?
Aware of it, but don't care in the slightest since the writers do the same thing to her.