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Holy shit Campea lol
Ive been watching some of the other collider stuff, ellis and karloff have been pretty good this time around at looking at the film pretty balanced. It even comes off in that video, Karloff had no hesitation shitting on parts of the film after his first viewing.
Campea though... that is nerd crew incarnate right there.
Haven't seen the movie yet, but I'll check out the non-spoiler part of the review- ....aaaand we're done.
Spot on indeed
And rich is right, those people will be back. Just like those people who started that petition to remove TLJ from canon
There's no spoiler warning, they go all in and spoilers are dropped throughout.
15 minutes into the review, they feel exactly the same as I do about the movie.
Commendable in its intention to do its own thing, but overall it's a mess in the execution.
I read people here that put it above ANH or even ESB, no idea what they're smoking.
Commendable in its intention to do its own thing, but overall it's a mess in the execution.
I read people here that put it above ANH or even ESB, no idea what they're smoking.
I agree with the complaint that the film feels like a mess, but I don't agree with their conclusion that I'm not interested in where episode 9 goes.
Oh boy the first 8 minutes are great. Cannot wait to finish this gem tonight.
I agree with them on almost all fronts. TLJ has good subversive ideas, but it's HEAVILY weighed down by the sloppy as hell B and C plots.
Disagree with the Yoda tangent though. Crazy Yoda ghost became the wise Yoda ghost once he talked some sense into Luke, and because this is Star Wars post OT, that was obviously a parallel and reminder to how Luke's relationship with Yoda developed in ESB.
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do I want to see this movie unspoiled or do I want to watch hack frauds talk about it....
well, I hated TFA anyway, so the fuck do I care. Spoilers.. in the hooouuuse
well, I hated TFA anyway, so the fuck do I care. Spoilers.. in the hooouuuse
I disagree with them a lot on this one. I liked the execution of the movie and the ideas on it. I think it succeeds as much as it can in making something new out of this universe that, as rich says, is kind of limited.
I think it open doors, at the very least, that not everyone has to be a fucking Skywalker. Also it brings back a Force that is mysterious and unlimited and not just something that you use to lift rocks.
Having said that, I agree with them that it feels like the last chapter and not the middle.
Because unlike Empire, it ends with the answers. We don't see it, but it is there
If the third movie is nothing more than we seeing this playing out, I will be so disappointed.
See, this is how much I liked this movie. I don't want another" just star wars ".
I think it open doors, at the very least, that not everyone has to be a fucking Skywalker. Also it brings back a Force that is mysterious and unlimited and not just something that you use to lift rocks.
Having said that, I agree with them that it feels like the last chapter and not the middle.
Because unlike Empire, it ends with the answers. We don't see it, but it is there
Luke's legend grow, the rebellion is reborn, they fight the evil empire
If the third movie is nothing more than we seeing this playing out, I will be so disappointed.
See, this is how much I liked this movie. I don't want another" just star wars ".
I feel like neither of them really care about this movie, or Star Wars in general, and you can tell by the way they talk about. When they talk about how Star Wars fandom is like a political rally, you can just hear the fatigue setting in that "This is what Star Wars is now." I agree that parts of the film seemed like a giant joke, that they perhaps subverted too much in the film, and that there is no motivation to see the next film in the new trilogy. The movie just leaves you with this "Ok.." feeling that nothing.. really... happened, and it took more away than it gave, leaving you with nothing to look forward to.
that 'dementia setting in' followed by the "have you seen Star Wars?!?" rant is just wonderful.
edit: also, Mike being drunk and / or miserable. :D
edit: also, Mike being drunk and / or miserable. :D
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Yeah, I agree a lot with what they're saying on a number of fronts and even made me realize some things I'd sort of thought about but not fully realized if that makes any sense. It feeling more like a final part or as if it was leading into a tv series especially.
I admit I had a similar thought as Mike did that
I admit I had a similar thought as Mike did that
Rey and Kylo actually working together would have been super interesting. If you wanted a conflict you could have there be a split between a Kylo/Rey faction and a Hux faction. You could have tension between the Kylo faction and the Resistance too as well as still have there be that conflict with Kylo still becoming an antagonist as he struggles with himself.
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I had the same thought. I was hoping that it would happen, because it would have been very interesting.
I'm glad that Half in The Bag align with my sentiment about The Last Jedi.
no spoilers, it is true that it is a mishmash, disorganized, oddly edited mess.
messy, mess are correct
no spoilers, it is true that it is a mishmash, disorganized, oddly edited mess.
messy, mess are correct
All this talk of Star Wars being so inherently limited makes me wonder about Rian's trilogy and how they're going to approach that. Obviously people are mixed about the writing, but I wonder if slowly turning Star Wars into an umbrella of unrelated sci fi adventure stories or an anthology of sorts would be a good way to break that mold. Sure, there's very little reason to keep the Star Wars name if that's the case, but if the franchise keeps the same spirit and motif of learning and growing, I don't see why Disney/LucasFilm can't give filmmakers an opportunity that is fairly risk free and with few strings attached.
im glad im not alone in the whole
like maybe double double cross with snoke dying i was like wut
just felt so odd
just felt so odd
That's what I thought they were gonna do, and that would have been pretty awesome. Gah.
But what do you expect JJ Abrams to be able to do with what Rian left him? He left JJ in pretty much the worst position of any Star Wars sequel. Abrams now has to spend a good chunk of the next movie re-setting up characters and somehow writing Leia out of the trilogy. TLJ was written in a way to be a standalone movie and not part of an overall narrative in a trilogy.
I am sure Abrams will figure it out with his Academy Award winning co-writer, but doesn't put him in any easier of a position.
Now I understand why Trevorrow was having such a tough time figuring out how to conclude this trilogy.
The only hitch is that
there isn't much of an indication anyone in the First Order has any real loyalty to Ben or would go along with such a plan, though I suppose if that was the plan they decided to go with they could have introduced that. Most everyone seemed to think of him as a dude with a temper and a lightsaber.
You could even still have lightsaber fights since you have the dangling plot thread of the Knights of Ren who were implied to possibly be the students Ben took from Luke.
You could even still have lightsaber fights since you have the dangling plot thread of the Knights of Ren who were implied to possibly be the students Ben took from Luke.
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I need to see this movie again because I feel like I was half agreeing with them but I am extremely excited about the future of Star Wars and I thought the twists were just right.
I want to as well, though I think I'll come out more mixed than my first viewing. I plan on seeing it with my dad and one of my sisters when I go home for Christmas in a few days for what's become a weird tradition of us always seeing a Star Wars movie together since Episode I. I'm curious what they'll think as well, though they aren't exactly huge Star Wars fans. More just that they tend to find them fun viewings.
Agreed with most of what they said.
As for the future of Star Wars, idk. You could look at this movie as a finale, but I think its more of a beginning. Since
Like basically you can now go anywhere you want with it. You don't have to stick to the formula anymore.
As for the future of Star Wars, idk. You could look at this movie as a finale, but I think its more of a beginning. Since
at the end of the movie theres very few people left from the past other than Leia
Except they reset the universe by literally going back to the formula.
I think I agree with them for the most part, where there are interesting things that happen (even if they're essentially lifted from the EU and video games) but nothing can change because there's no room for Star Wars to grow in a film context. You can't make a movie without space ships blowing up and people talking about the Force because that's all the movies can be.
I expect the megacorporation spending a country's GDP in the movie to entertain me, goddamn it. I want those goddamn monkeys to dance!
I don't know. I really don't. I am playing with the idea in my head and right now the best I can come up is either for the saga to end or for we have just side-stories like Rogue One for now and only release a new numbered movie when you are ready to change the status quo completely as a framework to frame other side-movies.
So basically I want Disney to create a second Shared Universe that will drain our lives forever.
As a story, tho? As to where does Finn, Rey, Leia, Poe, Chewie and Rose goes from here? I have no idea. Afaik their stories ended. Finn and Rose found love for freedom on the battlefied. Rey rejected the dark side. Poe has become a leader. Kylo Ren has become an emperer that is also a Darth Vader so he surpassed both. And so on.
So what is next is nothing more than seeing this playing out. Seeing Rey being a Jedi. Seeing Poe being a leader. Seing Finn and Rose loving themselves while doing rebellion things and Kylo being a Darth Vader that answers to no one and so on and that sounds boring as fuck with action scenes that are cool, I guess.
What I would want to see is Rey going Kreia, but that was Luke's arch here and he rejected it, so she becoming a nihilist would undo this movie unless she goes for anarchy instead. No organized Jedi or Sith, but embracing the force as its most mystical. Really going all out on "anyone can be a Jedi and you can use the force whatever you want, fuck sides", but then again, here I am wishing for more world-building that is not actually a storyline on a movie.
Like, Rey is probably my favorite character of these new ones. Where do I want her story to go? She can't become a Badass Jedi Master™ because that's just her becoming another Luke, she can't give up being a Jedi because that's also her becoming another Luke. Everywhere interesting she can go has nothing to do with fighting people with laser swords.
just make a timeskip
leia dies of old age, finn and rey are now veterans chiefs of the rebellon that in the meanwhile has managed to rebuild itself from the ashes.
kylo is also now less of a instabile brat, or maybe it is but hids that under a facade of authority as the new emperor
after that,you cn do pretty much what you want since you are basically at the start of any star wars story ever..you can go with the usual,or do somethig new.