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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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Interesting. So you did hdr game mode? What did you adjust?
For those asking about credit card price protection:
My request to price-match "ebuyusa.com" from Citibank just went through. If your card has this benefit, make sure to check every website that sells the set you're interested in, even if they're sites that you would never trust enough to actually purchase from. In my case, it took the $1999 Dell.com price for a 65X930E down to 1799. As soon as my Ebates cash back shows up, the effective price will end up being $1499.
My request to price-match "ebuyusa.com" from Citibank just went through. If your card has this benefit, make sure to check every website that sells the set you're interested in, even if they're sites that you would never trust enough to actually purchase from. In my case, it took the $1999 Dell.com price for a 65X930E down to 1799. As soon as my Ebates cash back shows up, the effective price will end up being $1499.
Just got a Citi price rewind approval for matching tvsuperstores price on the LG B7A 65" bringing down the price another $500. Total cost for the B7A was $1565 shipped including sales tax. Definitely seems like this was the right year for me to upgrade.
Does Overwatch support HDR? If not you should have set the tv to high, not low. Because in SDR the Pro's automatic setting defaults to high.
I mentioned I'm using Limited. Works fine with Low. Automatic sucks with Overwatch. I think it's automatically picking Full.
That's rad! Just an insane amount of TV quality for these sets, at those prices.
Edit: whoa, thanks for making me check to see if they went any lower - the 930 is now another $140 less. Time to start up another claim!
In my case, the main difference was sliding the color temperature down to w45 and checking that all the other settings that I could adjust matched Technicolor. Once I did that I couldn't notice a difference between Technicolor and game mode in ratchet and clank aside from input lag on Technicolor.
If that's not bright enough, you could inch the brightness up or slide the color temperature higher. W10 isn't correct, but the blue shift looks nice in a game with a ton of open sky like R&C.
curious got the same tv, are you using the ratings collaboration settlings?
Is banding the round wavy lines of color? I thought banding was vertical shades
Nothing, aside from what Galvatron did.
Having Googled to find out, doesn't this just affect the 6 series? The shots I've seen look seriously dim, to me HDR game mode, looks identical to Technicolor and Cinema etc......
Could it just be that 10000nit mastered games are aggressively tone mapped?
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Just bought a 55inch Sony X900E. Super excited to hook up the PS4 Pro and PC and be blown away by HDR. I'll buy an Xbox One X soon for those few exclusives but mostly for 4K Blu Rays.
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I specified what I meant literally one word after what you quoted. What's the deal
No they changed the 2017 firmware around the same time in the summer, when ended up being the last firmware on the 6 series to add HLG hdr.
I don't think so. It doesn't support HDR as far as I know.
That's my next mission today. As of now my streaming services and PS4 are set as far as PQ.
Now I need to try the OG Xbox1 and Switch.
After updating I didn't really notice a difference in technicolor vs Game Mode at the same settings other than the input lag.
Completely dependant on your room size/viewing distance.
But yes it's big and pretty hard/impossible to even install alone.
For the most part yes but I modified mine a bit to my liking. I'm still tinkering with the sharpening. 0 dulls out the image on PRO. Currently playing games at 50. Doesn't bother me. Seems like 50 = 0 in game mode. I dunno. I like it.
Back when the announcement was made the Dolby Vision people reported that until recently specific hardware had been necessary but these are getting some of the first all-software solutions and it's likely taking time to test because it's being added to several models at once, both OLED and not, (the high end models with the X1 Extreme processor).
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No!
I went from a 55" to a 65" and its one of the best tech decisions I've made.
I actually just did the same thing last week. After rearranging the room a couple times and still not making it work, my wife said the words no one wants to hear: "Maybe that TV is just too big." It was actually kind of stressful and for a few minutes I thought to myself, maybe I should just take it back. But we finally found a configuration for the room that makes it work and now we're both happy.
lol
luckily my wife instantly noticed the difference and said the OLED+65'' was a perfect size for the room.
Oh we're definitely noticing the difference. I don't have an Xbox One X (yet) so right now we're watching a ton of Netflix and Amazon Prime stuff in 4k. Pretty amazing.
Quick question about the C7. When HDMI input is set to PC, does the input lag of 21ms also apply when gaming in HDR? I'm using HDR standard since I find HDR game mode kinda dim. Not sure if it affects input lag.
Nothing in your post other than what I quoted was related to HDR performance. If OLED is going to improve its HDR picture quality, it will need higher luminance. That's the deal.
Nonsense. HDR game modes are more dim than they could be due to the risk of image retention and burn-in. Peak brightness in movies is completely fine. The 2018 range can be vastly improved if they can improve the panel's resistance to burn-in and IR to a point where the game mode is on par with HDR in other modes.
That has nothing to do with burn-in on OLED, you made that up. It affects their LCD range too, but you can set Dynamic Contrast to High to nullify it.
http://www.lg.com/ca_en/support/product-help/CT20098005-20150410129990-others
The 2017 models are much better at fighting image retention than the 2016 models and yet they still have the same dim Game mode. This is all on LG's software team. Panasonic and Sony don't dim their Game modes, and they have no reason to.
Concerning HDR Game mode dimming, I don't even notice it being that dim. It's still pretty bright and I actually lowered my OLED light to around 70. I'm in the basement entertainment room and it's a dim room so maybe that's why. But I do play with lights on as well and it doesn't look dim to me at all. I feel like the dimming issue is a bit exaggerated. Maybe it looks worse on B6 etc models but it looks fine to me on B7A.
Depends on your room and how close you sit to it. But you can never go big enough. I upgraded from 60 to 65 and I felt it was pretty big at first but now it doesn't look that big to me anymore, lol
Depends on your room and how close you sit to it. But you can never go big enough. I upgraded from 60 to 65 and I felt it was pretty big at first but now it doesn't look that big to me anymore, lol
There's no solid proof obviously, but that has been the theory behind why LG decided to dim the game modes. We don't know yet if Panasonic and Sony OLEDs will have more prominent burn-in problems in the long run. Time will tell.
As an aside, the Dynamic Contrast 'fix' is far from a true solution. It's a quick and dirty, sure, but far from ideal.
Speaking purely from experience, image retention has been a real problem for me when gaming in HDR on my C7. There's still a lot of progress to be made in that area.
Looks fine to me on my B6. It's dimmer than the appropriately named HDR Bright, but it's basically right in line with HDR Standard after tweaks. I flip back and forth between Standard and Game HDR on occasion and the differences come down to how I have color temp in HDR Game vs Standard.
Really? What games are you playing that are showing IR on the C7? On my B7 I have never seen any, even when my son has a marathon Madden session with the solid score overlay displayed.
Anyone upgraded the C7 firmware from 3.60.09 to 4.70.30 and didn't notice the HDR Game Mode got dimmer? I'm still on 3.60.09 and afraid to upgrade because HDR Game Mode looks awesome and bright enough.
And i know HDR Game Mode was already dimmed down with 3.60.09 compared to previous firmware releases but i don't want it downgraded even more.
I know 4.70.30 fixed a lot of bugs (like broken YouTube HDR) but i'm sure as hell i won't upgrade when it messes again with HDR Game Mode.
And i know HDR Game Mode was already dimmed down with 3.60.09 compared to previous firmware releases but i don't want it downgraded even more.
I know 4.70.30 fixed a lot of bugs (like broken YouTube HDR) but i'm sure as hell i won't upgrade when it messes again with HDR Game Mode.
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There's no downgrade. The latest FW actually fixes a lot of things. Just upgrade.
I really want to that but i'm reading a lot of different things on AV and AVS Forum. Some say there is no difference with HDR Game Mode and others are absolutely sure it got even more dimmer with 4.70.30. They are pissed and want to go downgrade but couldn't.
When i pull the trigger there is no way back.
Vincent Teoh from HDTV Test, said that 1000nit game mode content looks the same on the B7 and A1, it's 10K nits that divide the two, where the B7 tone maps aggressively, and A1 doesn't.
Now which games are 10k nits.......
I honestly don't see an issue with HDR Game mode in terms of brightness. I mentioned that I actually lowered my OLED light because it was still pretty bright. I guess most of those guy probably play in a bright room.
You know what, before I got an OLED, I'd have salivated over that! I put this on AVF today.
Haha, well you have to see both sides of the coin, to fully understand what's what, and my conclusion is that the Premium UHD Alliance HDR test patterns, which reviewers use are a complete waste and tbh misleading, in regards to what you're really gonna get in the HDR performance stakes!
Now the 902 does 1300nits (10%) on these patterns, and the B7 does 750ish, and I can tell you for a fact, that the B7 achieves much brighter specular highlights, no question. So why is that? Cause the FALD has to dim it's backlight so it can keep nice blacks with highlights! So what is the bloody point in using with test patterns, where it isn't applicable to the actual performance you're gonna get!? Bloody crazy.
The most important figure an LCD has is 100% white nits, as it's the only situation, where a bright sky, snow and sun, or similar can use it's potential, without having dim the zones.
I think reviewers need to stopusing the Alliance HDR testing, totally inaccurate.
Oh, yis, just in time when I get my UB900. This is going to rock.
After spending a month now with my A1 I can honestly say I'm surprised there isn't more buzz going on because of OLED TVs. I don't know if it's because I never had a Plasma and am coming from an LCD (Panasonic 47ETW5), because I have the best panel on the planet or because my eye value the pros of OLED tech so much but the jump from my old TV to the A1 is easily the most impressive bump in picture quality I have witness in my life. I even put it above going from SD to HD or from VHS to DVD back in the days. I mean, after over a month with this TV I am still marvelling because of this picture quality. The graphical bump in games is, to me, more impressive than going from PS3 to PS4. It's almost one a level with PS1 to PS2. Last night I was playing Horizon and came across one of these towers. The setting in the game was night and foggy and the way the tower beeping illuminated the environment just left me standing there in awe for a minute or two, doing nothing but looking at this spectacle.
This is so amazing. I love this technology.
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