They probably only brought it over here because they could have an intern translate it for free or something extremely cheap like that.
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Romancing SaGa 2 |OT| The Unlimited Imperial SaGa of the old Frontier
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This is making me want RS1 on Switch as well. And RS3. And SF1 and SF2.
And, of course, the iconic peak of the series, Unlimited Saga.
And, of course, the iconic peak of the series, Unlimited Saga.
Disgaea 5 seemed like a game that'd be 1080p/60fps easy, yet only ever ran at 720p. Then again that wasn't exactly a graphical heavy weight so whether or not the cut was needed the loss versus what you gained was IMO worth it. Similar could apply here in that maybe on PS4 it has a native 1080p output while on Switch it'd be 720p... but being 2D that angle I have for Disgaea 5 would hold doubly true here.
Good to know. This looks like the kind of thing I could obsessed with pretty quickly. Thanks!
Can someone explain the grind > difficulty mechanic that was brought up earlier in the thread? Was that in the original release? I don't remember hearing about that in the original trilogy.
I love to do monotonous grinding in RPG's, so if difficulty scales and makes that moot, I'd like to know that going in.
I love to do monotonous grinding in RPG's, so if difficulty scales and makes that moot, I'd like to know that going in.
I've never played FF Legends, but it has always been the case for most SaGa games starting from Romancing Saga on SNES.
Monster rank/difficulty is tied to number of battles. Grinding a lot of weak enemies will make the battle difficulty escalate faster.
For illustration if you have battled between 100 to 150 battles, the monsters you fight will be at lvl 30, while at between 150 to 200 battles the monsters are at lvl 35.
It's a bad idea to progress monster level fast because the only way your character can only get stronger, aside from better equipments, is by acquiring stronger technique and gaining hp/sp/weapon level. All those are randomly gained when battling and has higher chance to happen when you fight stronger enemies. Fighting weak enemies nett you almost nothing 90% of the time. Money from battle is also very pitiful so you can't really afford stronger weapon by grinding weak enemies.
I played Saga Frontier 1 and 2. I couldn't understand how either of them worked. I liked the crazy attacks that seemingly came out at random though. Is the combat in this easier to "get"?
The rate of sparking new moves feels lower than the original SFC version ... I expected at least one new move after three boss encounters, but nothing. I could be wrong, but the lower your encounter number, the easier it is to spark moves upon tough fights "above your level." But that's not happening for me, here.
Verrry interesting stuff here, and it definitely feels super unique compared to any other RPG I've played. While it's not my ideal method of playing, I'll try to keep an open mind and see how things go.
Thanks for the great write-up!
knew going in for the steam version that this was going to be a quick phone port job, but had to buy it to support it and hopefully see Romancing Saga 3 released for steam also.
hopefully someone figures out how to remove the touchscreen buttons.
For using your controller in Steam, it needs to be in Big Picture Mode and the only option that matters is the "Generic Gamepad Configuartion Support".
All you have to do is check this option and you can use your XB1 or DS4 controllers w/o issues.
hopefully someone figures out how to remove the touchscreen buttons.
For using your controller in Steam, it needs to be in Big Picture Mode and the only option that matters is the "Generic Gamepad Configuartion Support".
All you have to do is check this option and you can use your XB1 or DS4 controllers w/o issues.
Just beat Gelatinous Matter (ゼラチナスマター) in the 1000 era and I've sparked exactly one move and one evasion move. I'm at roughly 75 battles, maybe less.
Edit: Upon posting this I immediately sparked 3 moves. lol
Your luck will come soon then, I'm at 125 battles (got blown up in the goblin cave) and I didn't reach it yet lol
Half of this is because I'm stupid enough to think "this time I want a rapier (小剣) Empress."
It's SaGa so it's random. I learned 3 evade moves at the first hero then nothing for a while. Also I don't think saying running from battles is a good advice at all because bosses don't scale so if you don't fight you will just get wiped out.
Good luck :) The rare drops are really hard to get. I did get the +40 def shield as a drop in the cave at the beginning though.
It's frustrating being pummeled with sleep and not learning the crucial evasion skill.
I need to rely on rare drops to make this work?
so... i see people saying don't battle too much week ennemies... which means what? How do i know if they're weak? Where can i see their level? And so on...
are weapon level unique to the weapon or the weapon class? Should i just play by using everything i have so everything will level up?
are weapon level unique to the weapon or the weapon class? Should i just play by using everything i have so everything will level up?
Any known issues with the Switch version? Normally I would buy on PS4 for achievements but 1: the Trophy list isn't out yet for some reason and 2: I have a big backlog so I'd rather play on the Switch to see if I'd like it enough to double dip.
Disgaea 5 was however developed entirely from the ground up for the current gen. Also there is a lot more going on under the hood in the systems and mechanics so using the graphical heavyweight angle really doesn't make sense, since RS2 is basically a localized SNES game with new graphical tweaks such as the addition of animations to some of the sprites in combat.
60 fps is nice, but in the case for this game I really don't think it's a dealbreaker. It IS a turned based RPG, not a twitch reaction action game which player reaction is tied to to the frame rate akin to a Fighting Game or something like a Shoot'em Up which demands for it. I suppose it's a holdover from the Android version being ported over to the PS4 and Switch. Not that 60hz SNES original release had a speed or performance advantage in combat speed in battle. This is a case in which the framerate has a very marginal impact on the actual gameplay if any at all.
I wouldn't say it's an input lag issue but rather the way movement works. I'm playing the Switch version and while my character responds to directional inputs as he should, his movements is tile based, which makes things like changing directions while running feel laggy and unresponsive.
As for performance, 30fps is definitely not a deal breaker, but if anything it aggravates the movement issues. It has no impact in battles but in a game where you'll want to avoid enemies in the map sometimes, erratic movement at 30fps isn't the best.
Anyway, I'm loving the game! It's pretty addictive. I just (barely) killed the slime boss without using magic and with my last remaining character. I spent the entire dungeon using magic to level it up only to run out of MP right after finding the boss lol.
As for performance, 30fps is definitely not a deal breaker, but if anything it aggravates the movement issues. It has no impact in battles but in a game where you'll want to avoid enemies in the map sometimes, erratic movement at 30fps isn't the best.
Anyway, I'm loving the game! It's pretty addictive. I just (barely) killed the slime boss without using magic and with my last remaining character. I spent the entire dungeon using magic to level it up only to run out of MP right after finding the boss lol.
It was 720p in docked and undocked mode, but no reason given nor a update as to why that is.
Lol it's not input lag. It's the same as OG Final Fantasy on SNES and otherwise. Your character takes a certain amount of time to walk across a tile. Once you make the input, you have to wait until the animation is cleared to make a different one.
I guess it's been a long time since the SNES era and people are forgetting this.
I guess it's been a long time since the SNES era and people are forgetting this.
I'm sorry but using the age old excuse of it just because it's turn based therefore 60fps not mattering is ridiculous. Controls are way more responsive at 60fps for any game. Going into menus, lag delay between controller, moving character around, on a 2d game especially it's much more noticeable, especially when the screen starts moving. its all is a much more pleasant experience at 60fps no matter what game. Like can you imagine playing Disgaea at 30fps and going through the whole game that way? With the amount of menus and movement with cursor for hundreds hours you want it to be breezy and responsive. It would definitely have impacted on how sluggish it would feel.
Yeah, the soundtrack is so good.
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Also, this is my second time through the intro sequences, but I don't remember it being as challenging to keep people alive as the first time through. Maybe I'm just getting unlucky. Making it through fine, but I forgot how you are always sort of "on edge" in the battles in this game, lol. But "attack all" skills are really helpful. I'm spamming Light Ball and Haphazard Arrow.
Later in the game, I usually try to get at least two characters to get Waterfowl Blade, because it just rips through enemies.
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Also, this is my second time through the intro sequences, but I don't remember it being as challenging to keep people alive as the first time through. Maybe I'm just getting unlucky. Making it through fine, but I forgot how you are always sort of "on edge" in the battles in this game, lol. But "attack all" skills are really helpful. I'm spamming Light Ball and Haphazard Arrow.
Later in the game, I usually try to get at least two characters to get Waterfowl Blade, because it just rips through enemies.
That's definitely not the case in FFV which I finished recently and didn't feel laggy like this at all.
The whole issue is I press one direction and it takes a noticeable amount of time to move, nothing to do with multiple inputs in a row.
Which version do you have? I suppose I should say I've only played the Android and Steam versions. Based on that, the character sort of travels across the tile, and it's the same kind of movement I remember from playing FF VI.
I mean, it's possible there's lag in some versions, but I would guess it's more just how the character travels. The comment about multiple inputs is merely accounting for the animation. The animation has its own timing and is not the same as input lag.
It's the switch version.
You might be right then, but the animation must be considerably slower than I'm used to from other games if it's that.
What it feels like, which I could be wrong about, is that the animation doesn't even start until a noticeable amount of time passes after presses the button.
You might be right then, but the animation must be considerably slower than I'm used to from other games if it's that.
What it feels like, which I could be wrong about, is that the animation doesn't even start until a noticeable amount of time passes after presses the button.
One thing I've noticed is if you are using the sticks to move, there is a sort of wide "dead zone" where it doesn't move the character until you push the stick past a certain point. In Steam you can adjust this, but on consoles not so much. In that sense, the dead zone I think is set too wide, and if it's the same in the console versions, might also cause some strange issue with controlling. The movement is best controlled with the D pad.
EDIT: Upon further investigation, I've found that the joystick for movement doesn't play nice with the way the game animates. If people are trying to use the joystick, this might cause issues. If you try to input quick directional changes while the character is moving in one direction for some time, for example, the character will stop moving or ignore the movement, and you have to reset the stick to the center to get it to work.
This is further reason to simply use the D pad. Tile-based games don't really play well with joysticks in general, but, this game in particular seems to not like them because of the wait time of the animation. This is for Steam verison, by the way.
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I bought the PC version
It's a very basic port. No graphical option whatsoever and they didn't remove the touchscreen control.
You will notice some awkward control such as when you go to shop menu and want to exit, you have to press party menu button. You can't exit by cancelling.
Other than that I haven't found much issue and it's still a SaGa game.
Talking about the game, this is my first time with RS2.
The game is as much unforgiving and hands free as SaGa in general.
I didn't notice I could've gotten Magic Research Lab much earlier and the game didn't teach you about Blacksmith system or that sitting on the throne can trigger option to build facilities.
So far I'm after 2nd inheritance and difficulty is still quite ok.
Magic is surprisingly easier to access in this game and early in the game they are very strong, much stronger than physical options.
Training new weapon class in subsequent generations also seems quite challenging, because the character will start with very low global skill level and damage.
Enjoying the game very much so far.
Found this spreadsheet with a massive info dump with item stats/tech descriptions from the mobile release:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c2Q6-k4HodGskLaa4Byg0mnBqF_xwDCVg6U29QureCs/edit#gid=0
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c2Q6-k4HodGskLaa4Byg0mnBqF_xwDCVg6U29QureCs/edit#gid=0
(source)
So I can see how the gameplay of these games is different from the Final Fantasy VI and VIIIs of the world, but how does it distinguish itself from the more open ended Final Fantasy games, like III orXII? Or better yet, like a Dragon Quest IX? More branching/side content? Bigger open areas to explore? Is it straight up like an Elder Scrolls game where there is tons of side dungeons and areas and quests that you can skip if you don't seek it out?
Also, how does it play on phones? Might dip on the Android version once I get a new phone this month.
Also, how does it play on phones? Might dip on the Android version once I get a new phone this month.