Hearthstone |OT1| New Era, Same Meta

scarlet · Dec 11, 2017

TheDestructiveSquirrel said:
May I see your tempo deck list?

I'm using Team LUL list

### tempo
# Class: Rogue
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
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# 2x (0) Backstab
# 2x (0) Shadowstep
# 1x (1) Cold Blood
# 2x (1) Fire Fly
# 1x (1) Patches the Pirate
# 2x (1) Southsea Deckhand
# 2x (1) Swashburglar
# 1x (2) Prince Keleseth
# 1x (3) Edwin VanCleef
# 2x (3) SI:7 Agent
# 1x (3) Sonya Shadowdancer
# 2x (3) Southsea Captain
# 2x (3) Tar Creeper
# 2x (4) Elven Minstrel
# 1x (5) Leeroy Jenkins
# 2x (5) Vilespine Slayer
# 2x (7) Bonemare
# 2x (7) Corridor Creeper
#
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

Absoludacrous · Dec 11, 2017

My opponent's Skull of the Man'ari pulling his Azari definitely cost him the game. I thought he just played it fast and kept looking back to my deck to make sure I was seeing that it was still there.

TheDestructiveSquirrel · Dec 11, 2017

scarlet said:
I'm using Team LUL list

### tempo
# Class: Rogue
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
#
# 2x (0) Backstab
# 2x (0) Shadowstep
# 1x (1) Cold Blood
# 2x (1) Fire Fly
# 1x (1) Patches the Pirate
# 2x (1) Southsea Deckhand
# 2x (1) Swashburglar
# 1x (2) Prince Keleseth
# 1x (3) Edwin VanCleef
# 2x (3) SI:7 Agent
# 1x (3) Sonya Shadowdancer
# 2x (3) Southsea Captain
# 2x (3) Tar Creeper
# 2x (4) Elven Minstrel
# 1x (5) Leeroy Jenkins
# 2x (5) Vilespine Slayer
# 2x (7) Bonemare
# 2x (7) Corridor Creeper
#
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

Thanks!

Owzers · Dec 11, 2017

BananasWithGuns said:
"You have already earned 100 gold today."

Been a while since I've seen that. Least I can always count on Shaman to show me the fun side of Hearthstone.

Here's the list I'm running if anyone is curious. Went from 15 to 10 and only lost two games to a Big Priest that had Barnes on 4 and a Jade Druid that curved out their ramp.

I'm looking for shaman stuff, this seems interesting but I had to sub one of the legendaries and evolve epic...doomsayers and Harrison. Dust, where is this elusive dust? So many good epics seems kinda purposeful.

scarlet · Dec 11, 2017

I love Sonya.

Deleted member 733 · Dec 11, 2017

I will have to stop dismissing Wish as too slow in dungeon run. I still haven't won with Shaman, but I BARELY saved myself twice with Wish in my current run. Getting a clutch Ragnaros Lightlord or something can be huge.

DSP · Dec 11, 2017

so far in dungeon run I think picking your enemy minions cost 1 more is like easy mode. Everytime I got that, I completed the run. I recommend it. It completely messes them up.

SonicXtreme · Dec 11, 2017

STILL blows my mind how many obvious pirate warrior bots inundate wild in the middle of the night, its been like a year and a half for that obvious ass deck (others before it but still) and blizz doesn't do shit.

Deleted member 733 · Dec 11, 2017

I lost on the final boss with Shaman, so I've still never beaten the run. Any Shaman synergy tips? The amount of expensive cards and overload make that feel worse than most any other class I've tried in dungeon run.

I did lose to the Darkness, and I saw 2-3 bosses I've never seen before on that run.

I could have possibly still won, but I failed a 50% chance to summon a taunt totem, and I didn't draw Wish in my first 10-15 cards.

BananasWithGuns · Dec 11, 2017

Owzers said:
I'm looking for shaman stuff, this seems interesting but I had to sub one of the legendaries and evolve epic...doomsayers and Harrison. Dust, where is this elusive dust? So many good epics seems kinda purposeful.

I assume you mean Grumble? He's easily replaceable, maybe a second Chieftain or something lower on the curve. Really depends on what you're facing a lot of. Same for Unstable Evolution, it's a bit of a luxury card so you could throw in a second Murmuring or anything you like. Harrison is cool too if you find yourself feeling like Mana Tides aren't enough.

Blizzard said:
I lost on the final boss with Shaman, so I've still never beaten the run. Any Shaman synergy tips? The amount of expensive cards and overload make that feel worse than most any other class I've tried in dungeon run.

I did lose to the Darkness, and I saw 2-3 bosses I've never seen before on that run.

I could have possibly still won, but I failed a 50% chance to summon a taunt totem, and I didn't draw Wish in my first 10-15 cards.

When I won with Shaman I just chose Jade cards every single time they were offered. Jades really are one of the best ways to win for Shaman, Rogue and Druid.

Though I also had quadruple health so that was also helpful.

Deleted member 733 · Dec 11, 2017

I haven't been offered Jade very much. The few times I picked them, it was so late that my deck was very inconsistent. I even had three jade battlecry cards with double battlecry, and it was trivial for bosses later in the run to remove the 3-5 HP jades.

I'll try that the next time I see jades in games 1-3 though, thanks.

Deleted member 733 · Dec 11, 2017

Blizzard said:
I haven't been offered Jade very much. The few times I picked them, it was so late that my deck was very inconsistent. I even had three jade battlecry cards with double battlecry, and it was trivial for bosses later in the run to remove the 3-5 HP jades.

I'll try that the next time I see jades in games 1-3 though, thanks.

I got double health, picked jades 4-5 times, and had the upgrade that made enemy minions cost 1 more.

Even with all that, I lost to boss #7. It was Inara the mage, whom I have never seen before. It seems not even everything going my way is enough. :P

zoukka · Dec 11, 2017

So have we guesses the best card of the new expansion yet?

It's Explosive Runes right?

zoukka · Dec 11, 2017

Blizzard said:
I lost on the final boss with Shaman, so I've still never beaten the run. Any Shaman synergy tips? The amount of expensive cards and overload make that feel worse than most any other class I've tried in dungeon run.

I did lose to the Darkness, and I saw 2-3 bosses I've never seen before on that run.

I could have possibly still won, but I failed a 50% chance to summon a taunt totem, and I didn't draw Wish in my first 10-15 cards.

Treasures that carried me to easy runs on all classes: extra turn one, stealth for everyone, draw two on start of game.

Like you can just fill the board with jades/murlocs/whatever and use a buff to kill them. The extra turn one makes any boss completely trivial.

Luminish · Dec 11, 2017

zoukka said:
So have we guesses the best card of the new expansion yet?

It's Explosive Runes right?

Corridor Creeper probably.

Call to Arms and Hunter Spellstone are up there. And the new warlock 1 and 2 drops are probably going to be in every warlock deck until they rotate.

Explosive Runes is very good too.

Maximo · Dec 11, 2017

Add someone to do the 80gold challenge someone quest?

zoukka · Dec 11, 2017

Yeah Runes made secret mage a top tier deck. Creeper just makes tempo decks better, call to arms might the most powerful card since it has made Murloc Pally godlike again.

bunbun777 · Dec 11, 2017

Maximo said:
Add someone to do the 80gold challenge someone quest?

I will bunbun777#1870

Deleted member 733 · Dec 11, 2017

zoukka said:
Treasures that carried me to easy runs on all classes: extra turn one, stealth for everyone, draw two on start of game.

Like you can just fill the board with jades/murlocs/whatever and use a buff to kill them. The extra turn one makes any boss completely trivial.

Shamans don't have significant buffs other than one or two flame totems. I wish bloodlust was occasionally an option since it would be way easier. Going wide works against some bosses, but some can also clear extremely easily. The bard boss is especially obnoxious for shaman since you can't play any totems or cheap cards.

lazerfox · Dec 11, 2017

I didn't think the new expansion would pull me back in but the dungeon runs are suprisingly fun.

zoukka · Dec 11, 2017

Blizzard said:
Shamans don't have significant buffs other than one or two flame totems. I wish bloodlust was occasionally an option since it would be way easier. Going wide works against some bosses, but some can also clear extremely easily. The bard boss is especially obnoxious for shaman since you can't play any totems or cheap cards.

I've picked up Warleaders and Everyfins multiple times when going murlocs. Or the +1+1 treasure.

ZeroX · Dec 11, 2017

I would rather pay for dungeon run and get packs or set cards as rewards rather than just play it for fun. If it counted for dailies I might consider it, but as is it's a dead mode. Got my three packs and I'm done.

MrLuchador · Dec 11, 2017

Yet on the flip side I'm enjoying Dungeon Run

Deleted member 733 · Dec 11, 2017

ZeroX said:
I would rather pay for dungeon run and get packs or set cards as rewards rather than just play it for fun. If it counted for dailies I might consider it, but as is it's a dead mode. Got my three packs and I'm done.

On the flip side, I've almost totally abandoned casual and ranked except for quests due to dungeons.

Harmonius · Dec 11, 2017

Well, I think I can safely say Dude Paladin is legit great in Wild right now.

I think I'm 67% Win rate with it? I've gone from 20 to 14 in sub 20 matches. I almost think you can cut Justicar/Tarim/Tirion and add something else in. The number of times I've had games be won on turn 5 because the nut curve of Lost in Jungle->Power/Minibot->Muster->Stegadon->Silverhand Buff is absurd. I'll have to see what I can add/cut to make room for a Call to Arms package.

Also, for the price discussion, only about like 20% of Magic's current top tier standard decks cost above $300, and those are physical cards, not to mention the variety of other ways that you can play Magic. Commander 2017 Precons are $30-$40, Standard Starter Decks are $15, you aren't forced into immediately opening packs to get something playable. Have the option for Players to buy Recipe decks outright for like $15 a pop if they're that worried about "revenue".

SonicXtreme · Dec 11, 2017

Harmonius said:
Well, I think I can safely say Dude Paladin is legit great in Wild right now.

I think I'm 67% Win rate with it? I've gone from 20 to 14 in sub 20 matches. I almost think you can cut Justicar/Tarim/Tirion and add something else in. The number of times I've had games be won on turn 5 because the nut curve of Lost in Jungle->Power/Minibot->Muster->Stegadon->Silverhand Buff is absurd. I'll have to see what I can add/cut to make room for a Call to Arms package.

Also, for the price discussion, only about like 20% of Magic's current top tier standard decks cost above $300, and those are physical cards, not to mention the variety of other ways that you can play Magic. Commander 2017 Precons are $30-$40, Standard Starter Decks are $15, you aren't forced into immediately opening packs to get something playable. Have the option for Players to buy Recipe decks outright for like $15 a pop if they're that worried about "revenue".

dude pally has been good ever since wild began, and tbh it probably always will bc the core cards are busted af and each expansion just adds one or two cards that are sweet in it. its awesome because you do have freedom as there are a good number of cards you can swap in and leave off the table and still have a really raging wild deck. I honestly doubt it will ever be difficult to reach rank 5 (I don't go further as its a waste of time) with a dude pally in wild bc it curves so well and has so many backup plans.

also at this point, why not just offer a classic set package. like $40 or something and get the whole classic set. its ridiculous, I've played for years and only have singles of so many epics like shield slam, ZERO preps, lmao, epics are such a joke. at least dump the classic epics down to rare quality, and the leggys to epic maybe. something

scarlet · Dec 11, 2017

How am I supposed to win against Azari when he burned all my cards?

Solaris · Dec 11, 2017

I took Skull out of my control warlock deck just because it pulled Azari once and lost me the game.

DSP · Dec 11, 2017

I just beat it, I had 5 drop cost 5 passive, just hit him in the dome he died. My deck was all big boys. His only removals is nether which he likely discards playing doomguard, he doesn't have many cards in hand.

Also I got 2x hp, so I had 100 health. My strategy was that I outvalue anything so I only need time.

The other time I beat him, there was this card that shuffles boths decks together, so what happened was that I waited until my deck was empty then took half of his deck.

the 5/1 that doesn't die helps a lot of bosses, other than against the darkness, that card is autowin every other one.

Sande · Dec 11, 2017

Dahbomb said:
The only set reviews that matters which is Reynad (which isn't even a review because he's hipster like that):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWN-LB85qsA

"Patches is the worst designed card in the history of Hearthstone."

If Reynad is right, I'm quitting until rotation.

Tacitus · Dec 11, 2017

scarlet said:
How am I supposed to win against Azari when he burned all my cards?

SNES Jr · Dec 11, 2017

Just finished the dungeon run with all the classes. I had the most trouble with rogue until I got a million deck to work. I also got the Rod of Roasting to beat Togwaggle once.

SonicXtreme · Dec 11, 2017

Sande said:
If Reynad is right, I'm quitting until rotation.

reynad is troll tier in his delivery but how could anyone say that the pirate package isn't the most broken crap ever lol, I've literally made priest decks that used it and its playable just because the synergies are insane and way too easy to achieve

Sande · Dec 11, 2017

This guy pulled off a turn 5 Malchezaar's Imp + Cataclysm, but still lost because of Rin.

Wiibomb · Dec 11, 2017

scarlet said:
How am I supposed to win against Azari when he burned all my cards?

I won with warlock when he pulled my Malganis with his dirty rat while I had the all stealth upgrade. From there i never ever received more damage, it was just a matter of finishing him.

I think the idea would be to try and beat him ignoring most of his things

scarlet · Dec 11, 2017

I couldn't beat him, he burned all my important cards. I went with jade druid. I only had 3/2 on turn 3 and he had that 3/5 demon already.

Tuna · Dec 11, 2017

Caved and got some packs. Pulled 3 legendaries out of 40 packs so I can't complain, one of which was Aluneth, the only one I really wanted to get. I somehow ended up with 6 copies of the Shaman spellstone and 7 of the Warlock one without getting a single Duskbreaker or Explosive Runes tho. And only 6 Epics. Seriously? I know the timer is at 10 packs or something, but that's still kinda ridiculous. Especially in a set like this one. Anyway, got Tempo Mage now and it feels rad as hell to play.

SonicXtreme · Dec 11, 2017

Tuna said:
Caved and got some packs. Pulled 3 legendaries out of 40 packs so I can't complain, one of which was Aluneth, the only one I really wanted to get. I somehow ended up with 6 copies of the Shaman spellstone and 7 of the Warlock one without getting a single Duskbreaker or Explosive Runes tho. And only 6 Epics. Seriously? I know the timer is at 10 packs or something, but that's still kinda ridiculous. Especially in a set like this one. Anyway, got Tempo Mage now and it feels rad as hell to play.

secret mage is disgusting with that card, just use all the crap that spits out free secrets and OP exploding rune and mana wyrms, its stupid

Nordicus · Dec 11, 2017

scarlet said:
How am I supposed to win against Azari when he burned all my cards?

You need to tempo him out, you won't win a value matchup obviously. Aside from the mill, Azari is a pretty "fair" Demonlock.

Aleatoric Cube early can ramp your minions by 2 mana and you'll get on the board really early. The hyper-windfury poison weapon can make Azari fall so badly behind that he can't recover.

Lyng · Dec 11, 2017

Nordicus said:
You need to tempo him out, you won't win a value matchup obviously. Aside from the mill, Azari is a pretty "fair" Demonlock.

Aleatoric Cube early can ramp your minions by 2 mana and you'll get on the board really early. The hyper-windfury poison weapon can make Azari fall so badly behind that he can't recover.

And that works only if you build towards tempo, but there is a high chance you will only face him when your deck is slow. Its rng upon rng upon rng.

Owzers · Dec 11, 2017

I've been playing this control paladin I found on the internets, it's fun but can be clunky and lacks any weapon breaking, secrets eater, spellbreaker; things I like.

https://disguisedtoast.com/decklists/3347-r81-legend-control-paladin

Bonus points for having cards I didn't have to craft.

Tuna · Dec 11, 2017

SonicXtreme said:
secret mage is disgusting with that card, just use all the crap that spits out free secrets and OP exploding rune and mana wyrms, its stupid

More, I must have MORE! Just played it for the first time against warlock and it was pretty ridiculous. I'm currently running a list with Bittertide Hydra and Medivh but not sure if that's the way to go.

The flex slots seem to be be the Mirror Entity, Hydras, Medivh, and maybe the second copy of Firelands portal. I could replace them with another lackey or the free 5/5. Ice Block seems kinda irrelevant in this deck to me...

SonicXtreme · Dec 11, 2017

i didn't know people used hydra in it lol, personally i wouldn't but, shit's gotta be disgusting regardless lol, nice!

wen u tryina live some meme dreams but MSOG won't go away

literally sporting MSOG jade druid in casual wild
i'd rather lose to a bot
also the last card i drew in this game was barnes
brb burning my card collection

Tuna · Dec 11, 2017

Cifka is a proponent of Hydra: http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/982784-tempo-mage

Spellbender seems like a good fit over Mirror Entity if you're into protecting the Hydra. Seems correct to me.

SonicXtreme · Dec 11, 2017

Tuna said:
Cifka is a proponent of Hydra: http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/982784-tempo-mage

Spellbender seems like a good fit over Mirror Entity if you're into protecting the Hydra. Seems correct to me.

i ain't trying to call it bad i play it in wild tho so i use duplicate and a waker. i guess in std you're alot more limited

Tachya · Dec 11, 2017

This game is so frustrating sometimes, I need to learn when to stop. Up to rank 7 earlier, now back down to rank 10 one star. Shit's infuriating. Nothing is consistent right now - I can hardly ever get a streak going.

SonicXtreme · Dec 11, 2017

Tachya said:
This game is so frustrating sometimes, I need to learn when to stop. Up to rank 7 earlier, now back down to rank 10 one star. Shit's infuriating. Nothing is consistent right now - I can hardly ever get a streak going.

whats ur deck

scarlet · Dec 11, 2017

Tachya said:
This game is so frustrating sometimes, I need to learn when to stop. Up to rank 7 earlier, now back down to rank 10 one star. Shit's infuriating. Nothing is consistent right now - I can hardly ever get a streak going.

I knew how frustrating was that, I was in similar position, from rank 6 down to 10, but I reached 5 today.

Just take a break when you're on losing streak, no need to give yourself more pressure and stressed out.

Try that team LUL deck, it's good to climb from 10 to 5, pretty consistent.

I myself back to play big spell mage.

jaytothe · Dec 11, 2017

i dont understand why people still use mirror entity. that card is terrible. you can basically just do 2 counterspell 2 explosive and if you really want 1 ice block.

manhack · Dec 11, 2017

Tachya said:
This game is so frustrating sometimes, I need to learn when to stop. Up to rank 7 earlier, now back down to rank 10 one star. Shit's infuriating. Nothing is consistent right now - I can hardly ever get a streak going.

Yeah the ladder struggle is real. Are you changing decks a lot? Tons of good stuff to climb with if you are only interested in climbing. Let us know and we can post what's working.

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