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JayC3

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Oct 25, 2017
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Jones tweeted about Dreams to Ian so I'm sure we'll see some music creation from them for sure.

Also oh my god, Bloodworth taking off his shirt, Jones unzipping his pants, and the Kyle argument.
 

Fat4all

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Oct 25, 2017
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here
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Dmax3901

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Holy shit at this YT comment rofl

"nah that was not cool the jones part it was dirty and weird out of context for eza style.so you can do this type of shxt but can't play peach beach splash? kyle part was funny tho"
 

Menx64

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Oct 30, 2017
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You don't want to punish creators, so you are going to punish creators as a protest...?

That's the thing. I don't want to punish EZA. I did send several messages to Patreon, but I did not get any answer. If you know some better way to let patron know we don't want this change, pls let me know.
 

issa

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That's the thing. I don't want to punish EZA. I did send several messages to Patreon, but I did not get any answer. If you know some better way to let patron know we don't want this change, pls let me know.
Pull your pledge, ask the allies how to send them the money directly. Most importantly write your reasoning in the "why" field so Patreon can see that.
 

Zeroro

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Oct 27, 2017
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That bit at the end of this week's Easy Update made me uncomfortable in the best way where I was nearly in tears (of laughter!) while also being horrified.
 

Negator

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh my god. Kyle's acting was so convincing that I was actually worried that he was actually upset.

Also, surprised there's no gif of Jones unzipping his pants
 

Prompto

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Oct 25, 2017
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A+ acting from Kyle at the end. Easy Update just keeps getting better and better.

"Why don't you just have someone in your car for an hour?" had me cracking up
 

VanWinkle

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Oct 25, 2017
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All the "too real" comments on YT are so bizarre to me, lol. I don't know if it's just my love of mockumentary style shows and knowing that Kyle loves that stuff too, but I was cracking up so hard the whole time.
 

Pachinko

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Oct 25, 2017
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The meet up with EZA was great , these guys are all super nice. Also I may end up in easy update next week. Also also , don't have a drink when dehydrated , just a little PSA.
 

crimilde

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Oct 26, 2017
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Man, EzUp was brilliant. Kyle showing us some great acting skills at the end there too.

Glad to hear people had a great time at the meet up. I'm still hoping at least some of them can come to a Gamescom or PGW sometimes in the future. I've been wanting to check out one of these events and having EZA there would make it that much better.
 

ElephantShell

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The Shadow of the Colossus PS4 theme you can get for doing the "quest" in the PlayStation Live thing (just watch the trailer) is very nice.
 

Hasney

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Jones tweeted about Dreams to Ian so I'm sure we'll see some music creation from them for sure.

Also oh my god, Bloodworth taking off his shirt, Jones unzipping his pants, and the Kyle argument.

Since Huber can't create things, I think a great Easy Update would be Huber channelling his ideas through Ian to make something, rather than Huber just get frustrated with the tools!
 

Ragnar

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Oct 28, 2017
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Is there not a YouTube-playlist of the Patreon Q&A-videos, or am I just not seeing it? I feel like doing a marathon when I'm studying.

(Adding to the praise for the latest Update, and to be honest, most Updates. Kyle stole the show with his acting chops.)
 

spman2099

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Oct 25, 2017
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That skit was great. However, now half of the youtube people seem convinced that there is tension between Kyle and Ian.
 

Dirtyshubb

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Oct 25, 2017
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Easy update was fantastic, kyle was on top Form as always.

But seriously, reading the YouTube comments makes me worry about a lot of their fans and their ability to distinguish between clear fiction and reality.

Like I'm sure some are jokes but the fact many thought it was real and that it's some insight into tensions within the group is completely baffling. How do these people function in real life?
 

spman2099

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Oct 25, 2017
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Jesus Christ. How stupid can some people be?

I don't know which was my favourite line. "Yeah, below the belt, Kyle!" or Damiani's simple "Hey, doofus."

I feel like some people commenting on the videos are just really young. Also, everything is drama these days, a lot of people embrace that, they don't realize that drama is the antithesis to the Easy Allies.
 

MDSVeritas

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Oct 25, 2017
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Good to meet all of those of you I did at the meetup! Those are always a blast. A lot of good highlights of the night, like Kyle's over-10-win -streak on the EZA fighting game with his OP character. Looking forward to the next together!

Also, that was one of my favorite episodes of Easy Update in a while, damn what an ending, Kyle with those acting chops.
 

Budi

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Oct 25, 2017
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I guess I need to play Animal Crossing to be in with the jokes, the ending with Kyle was really good even for me though. The Jones bit made me bit uncomfortable to be honest =D
I'd say Kyle deserves an Oscar, but they are currently being fucked.
Hah, so true. Give him Palme d'Or instead! It has more merit behind it anyway.
Easy update was fantastic, kyle was on top Form as always.

But seriously, reading the YouTube comments makes me worry about a lot of their fans and their ability to distinguish between clear fiction and reality.

Like I'm sure some are jokes but the fact many thought it was real and that it's some insight into tensions within the group is completely baffling. How do these people function in real life?
Our thread has been kind of guilty of this at some point. I remember people saying that Damiani and Kyle weren't in good terms because they disagreed on the Fire Emblem mobile game. "Damiani is so silent in the podcast because of the argument with Kyle, he's pissed" and stuff like that.
That L&R question excluding Overwatch from predatory behavior made me really angry. Please never say such a thing Nikpls or anyone. Heather Alexandra's article on loot boxes touches on that.
Oh no, I need to see Allies responses before getting angry myself. I think it depends on the people in the panel how they will respond. I could see Brad, Jones and even Huber being okay with Overwatch loot boxes. I think they have before. But they are also smart guys, with reasoning and discussion I'm sure they would see the "evil" in that too.
In the new mobile game Pocket Camp, there's a new sort of item called Essence and Powder, which are needed in some cases to craft items or projects of a certain theme.

Running errands for campers to get things they want is a good way to raise their friendship with you and gain XP.

For the Huber scene, the way you can invite campers to your site is to have stuff they like available at your site, which costs money and resources to craft.
Thanks for the clarification!
 
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I guess I need to play Animal Crossing to be in with the jokes
In the new mobile game Pocket Camp, there's a new sort of item called Essence and Powder, which are needed in some cases to craft items or projects of a certain theme.

Running errands for campers to get things they want is a good way to raise their friendship with you and gain XP.

For the Huber scene, the way you can invite campers to your site is to have stuff they like available at your site, which costs money and resources to craft.
 

Nikpls

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Oct 25, 2017
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Kyle is a really good actor. Didn't expect that.

Podcast talk:
  • I love how everyone can conveniently forget about NSMB to pretend Mario always looked great. People ignore this great series because of its art style.
  • That L&R question excluding Overwatch from predatory behavior made me really angry. Please never say such a thing Nikpls or anyone. Heather Alexandra's article on loot boxes touches on that.
Overwatch lootboxes contain cosmetic items that you can also buy with ingame currency. You get a free box for every level-up, and multiple per week for weekly activities. I've never bought even a single box, yet I have almost every seasonal skin. The boxes have funded tons of post-launch content already, in a game that wasn't even full priced to begin with.

CSGO gives you boxes at random, but you can't open them unless you pay money for a key. You literally get a reward that you don't get to keep unless you pay up. The skins contained in boxes can be worth anywhere from 5ct to 300+ dollars, and people gamble thousands of dollars on these things. The skins are community-made, and the vast majority of skins made by artists never get picked to be included in the game. It not only exploits players, but also the artists that spend weeks on a great skin, only to never be included in the game or to end up as a cheap non-rare one with little payout.

BF2 boxes contain competitive advantages and are the definition of pay2win.

I don't see how OW is even remotely in the same category as the latter two. Blizzard's monetization strategy for OW is entirely optional cosmetic-only skins which you get for free if you play somewhat regularly.
 
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holy crap Blood is tall
Can't believe people are thinking the ending is real but I also did plenty of bits like that with friends when hanging out lol

I don't know how Huber kept a straight face at the end.
The real mystery of this episode.

I don't see how OW is even remotely in the same category as the latter two. Blizzard's monetization strategy for OW is entirely optional cosmetic-only skins which you get for free if you play somewhat regularly.

There is no justification to Blizzard not allow you to just buy the skins instead of making it a lottery/gambling/gacha fest. It is purely preying on addicting behavior.
"oh but they need the money" Path of Exile has been doing fine.
"oh but you get some boxes for free" see point 1
 

Nikpls

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holy crap Blood is tall
Can't believe people are thinking the ending is real but I also did plenty of bits like that with friends when hanging out lol


The real mystery of this episode.



There is no justification to Blizzard not allow you to just buy the skins instead of making it a lottery/gambling/gacha fest. It is purely preying on addicting behavior.
"oh but they need the money" Path of Exile has been doing fine.
"oh but you get some boxes for free" see point 1

You can buy them individually with ingame currency.
PoE monetizes the shit out of their cosmetic store, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but as far as I know you can't get those items with ingame currency or for free by playing the game.
 

Sheldon

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I don't see how OW is even remotely in the same category as the latter two. Blizzard's monetization strategy for OW is entirely optional cosmetic-only skins which you get for free if you play somewhat regularly.

Loot boxes are loot boxes. Whether the rewards are cosmetics or p2w items, they prey on the same weaknesses in human psychology. Overwatch is just gentler at applying the pressure points than less smart publishers who go hard on the greed at the risk of public backlash and driving away casual customers. Meanwhile Blizzard has their paying and non-paying players stand in solidarity with each other and confidently declare that the level of post-launch support Overwatch has received couldn't be funded with a RNG-free buy-exactly-what-you-want monetization scheme.

They're in the same category like alcohol and heroin are in the same category, one is just a softer more legal drug than the other.

You can buy them individually with ingame currency.

How do you get that in-game currency?
 

Nikpls

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Loot boxes are loot boxes. Whether the rewards are cosmetics or p2w items, they prey on the same weaknesses in human psychology. Overwatch is just gentler at applying the pressure points than less smart publishers who go hard on the greed at the risk of public backlash and driving away casual customers. Meanwhile Blizzard has their paying and non-paying players stand in solidarity with each other and confidently declare that the level of post-launch support Overwatch has received couldn't be funded with a RNG-free buy-exactly-what-you-want monetization scheme.

They're in the same category like alcohol and heroin are in the same category, one is just a softer more legal drug than the other.

No offense, but do you seriously think that lootboxes with skins that you can buy with ingame currency if you want a specific one are comparable to lootboxes with skins that you can gamble real money on in hopes for a real world payout, which contain items taken from free community labor?
 

Nikpls

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Oct 25, 2017
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How do you get that in-game currency?

By opening the free boxes that you get showered with. There's no incentive to buy boxes unless you play rarely or want to support the game.

Edit: I didn't even mention how Valve has built a system where they can dodge international gambling regulation and taxation by hiding behind the fact that the payout is in steam cash, and real-world money CSGO gambling sites are technically third party. That's not even close to what Blizzard does, hence why I described those lootboxes as acceptable and CSGO's as predatory. I know people who've flushed away over 3K on CSGO gambling. You can't do that in OW.
 
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Budi

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Oct 25, 2017
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Overwatch loot boxes are a great thing to those who don't want to spend any extra money in the game. But it screws over and exploits those who do and those people should be prioritized.

I can't and don't want to defend CS:GO loot boxes, but atleast you can also buy/sell directly in the market and trade freely. That's something it does right, besides real money loot boxes.
Edit: I didn't even mention how Valve has built a system where they can dodge international gambling regulation and taxation by hiding behind the fact that the payout is in steam cash, and real-world money CSGO gambling sites are technically third party. That's not even close to what Blizzard does, hence why I described those lootboxes as acceptable and CSGO's as predatory. I know people who've flushed away over 3K on CSGO gambling. You can't do that in OW.
Yes you can exactly because it's randomized and you can't buy items directly so there's no clear hard cap on spending. You have no idea how much money you need to spend to unlock everything. And they keep adding new cosmetics all the time, which again adds to the loop.
 
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