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Harassment campaign against MtG cosplayer forces her to leave community(Harasser banned from WoTC)
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Morrigan isn't encouraging it, but she can only enforce what members on this site do.
What that post actually said, the one you originally quoted, was that people should not criticize Boogie for his appearance at all, but they at least must not do so here.
This is a (intentional?) reading comprehension issue.
What's to debate... you're inventing things to stir up controversy
Maybe encouraging was a poor choice of words on my part. I was just shocked that a mod wouldn't condemn harassment. The post reads like an in between-the-lines "if you have to do it keep it off-site".
You appear to be deliberately ignoring the posts that explain the correct way to parse that statement:
Please stop.
I'm sorry, but who exactly should we show sympathy for?
A) The innocent woman who was scared off doing the thing she loved thank to shitheads?
2) Or the asshole, who's probably not reading this topic, where one person, in a moment of righteous frustration, insulted his weight?
A) The innocent woman who was scared off doing the thing she loved thank to shitheads?
2) Or the asshole, who's probably not reading this topic, where one person, in a moment of righteous frustration, insulted his weight?
I would say that while this stuff can be found everywhere to a certain degree, it's especially bad in gaming because of how normalized racism and sexism are at this point. The joke used to be "lol, unmute xbox live? Why would I wanna hear some 13 year old screaming racial slurs all the time?" Well, unfortunately those kids are now growing up and buying tiki torches and doxxing women on Twitter simply for existing.
But what can you expect when communities and companies spend close to a decade failing to make it 100% clear that racism and sexism aren't tolerated in gaming? I mean, can you imagine going up to Twitch, Microsoft, Sony and Steam, even today, and saying, "will you make a zero tolerance policy regarding racism and ban anyone who uses racial slurs or creates hate groups on your platform?" They'd probably look at you like you were asking them to move a mountain, "piss off the Nazis? I don't know about that, can't we just put out one of those statements about how we value diversity?"
I don't like what's he's done but not sure I liked the MTGO account suspension because that could literally be thousands or tens of thousands in product they just took away.
Guess he probably cashed out because this was expected, just don't like a company going after digital goods for something he did outside of the game.
Guess he probably cashed out because this was expected, just don't like a company going after digital goods for something he did outside of the game.
I dont read terms and conditions ever bUT it's probably in there about being getting your purchases taken away for whatever reason.
Also for the last time I never specifically insulted Boogie's weight. I insulted his lifestyle choices (as in the fact that he's lazy, whiny, and a coward). The mods have made it clear that the way I worded it was unacceptable so I won't be making that kind of post in the future, but my original post was never specifically about his weight.
If you need me to further explain this, then PM me. I don't want to derail this thread with a meta discussion on my commentary on Boogie's commentary on the MtG asshole's harassment.
It's not about the product or the business aspect. He violated the TOS and Wizards has every right to terminate his account.
What he did involved members of the community directly.
MTG is a multiplayer game. Interacting with the community is part of it.
Yes. I must say, I never imagined that my statement would be taken in any other way.
The dude is harassing people, his entitlement to purchased goods is not a concern nor does he have any legal basis to make those purchases matter.
eBay still exists.
I guess I can understand how someone might be concerned about a company being able to take away your digital goods at will, but if you're spending thousands of dollars on those goods, maaaaaaybe you should avoid doing things that carry the risk of being banned? It wasn't like he was just minding his own business and, pow, Wizards banned him.
Ha can't do anything that involves DCI, which includes FNMs and Prereleases. He can still buy stuff.
This is one of the reasons I quit playing Magic, white garbage guys like him make it difficult to enjoy. Legit nice players where consistently drowned out by sexists, and creepy sex offender-looking dudes who would keep glaring over at the kids playing Pokemon. I just hated the community altogether, not to discourage people from playing Magic, I'd love to pick up Magic again, but make a community, don't just play with any jackass.
EDIT: I just needed to also point out, while not a huge factor it did somewhat affect my uneasiness with lifer magic players, that one of the things that really REALLY bothered me was the one guy who would constantly come into the scene wearing robes and talking like a monk, regarding himself as the card guru/master.
EDIT: I just needed to also point out, while not a huge factor it did somewhat affect my uneasiness with lifer magic players, that one of the things that really REALLY bothered me was the one guy who would constantly come into the scene wearing robes and talking like a monk, regarding himself as the card guru/master.
Say what? Holy shit that's weird.
Can't say the dude is bad or anything....but that would be awkward.
Here in Brazil, 90% of the people I met playing magic were really great people. Very few women, but they were there and I never saw a hint of them being treated with disrespect.
I was new, having only vague memories of playing in childhood and no one tried to con me into bad card trading, people helped, talked strategy, gave tips on where your deck was lacking and whatnot.
Maybe it was the greatest coincidence ever, but I have not one thing bad to say about the magic community I was part of during that time.
I was new, having only vague memories of playing in childhood and no one tried to con me into bad card trading, people helped, talked strategy, gave tips on where your deck was lacking and whatnot.
Maybe it was the greatest coincidence ever, but I have not one thing bad to say about the magic community I was part of during that time.
Happy to hear him and his idiot goons are whining and fussing about it.
The more they show their ass, the better It'll serve as a nice reminder to the company that they just expunged a good deal of toxic slime from their community.
No one is going to cave to their impotent rage because they're a dead end that ultimately repels everybody else away.
The more they show their ass, the better It'll serve as a nice reminder to the company that they just expunged a good deal of toxic slime from their community.
No one is going to cave to their impotent rage because they're a dead end that ultimately repels everybody else away.
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I'm sure that Boogie and the harrasser himself have either read or are reading this thread right now and are probably offended cause we're not rooting for them.
Either way it doesn't matter. He was banned and that's a good thing. Memes or not, don't bully or harass someone who doesn't deserve it. And don't be surprised when you get called out and punished for it.
I'm glad that he was banned.
Either way it doesn't matter. He was banned and that's a good thing. Memes or not, don't bully or harass someone who doesn't deserve it. And don't be surprised when you get called out and punished for it.
I'm glad that he was banned.
That's not unusual. Most communities; MTG, Warhammer, D&D, etc are fairly open, friendly and accepting of everyone. I'm not saying that there aren't bad apples like Jeremy, but the idea that nerd hobbies are infested with sexist, racist, mysoginistic man children isn't true.
The problem is that, just like anything else, those bad apples exist, and form their own subgroups within existing communities- creating an echo chamber of their own twisted ideas.
Jeremy and his 'fans' are just the latest example.
I mean Message a mod then, you just bumped the thread itself to keep it going.
Yeah he didn't do anything bad, but it made having fun difficult when he would typically strut around looking over your shoulder giving "sagely advice". Like using cards I did not own
I've always wondered how the community looks from a player's perspective. I'm manager at a rather large hobby shop. Our regular MTG community is about 40-ish people, but we sell out our 150+ person pre-releases almost every set. We're also the highest tier store for Wizards promo purposes (higher tiers get more promos, pre-release kits, media handouts, free packs, etc.). So it's safe to say we're a really big MTG shop.
It's incredibly difficult to manage their community. Some of our worst customers are MTG players - who also spend a ton of money in the store. So there's a constant balancing act between trying to keep them in check and our owner seeing those dollar signs walk out the door (and taking it out on the staff). Out of all the bans in the store, +90% of them are MTG players. And we have very active Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Warhammer, Star Wars (X-Wing, Destiny, soon Legion), board gaming, D&D, etc. communities. MTG is the largest, but it's definitely a hugely disproportional amount of bad players. And I don't mean they're bad at the game, I mean they're bad people. They cheat, they cuss out their opponents when they lose, they gloat when they win, they steal from other players (and sometimes the shop), they have bad hygiene and bad manners. They make playing Magic a bad experience for everyone around them. And every time we ban one or two for crossing the line, it always seems like more show up to take their place.
And to bring it around to this specific incident, this guy is using the same defense(s) I've seen a hundreds of times from these bad players. First, they try to deny that anything happened (where's the proof?). Then, once you point out the whole play area is under security surveillance and/or that you have a dozen witnesses, they try to play it off as 'competitive banter' or some such nonsense (it's just memes, bro). After that, they'll accuse the staff of abusing them or 'violating their rights' when we ask them to either chill the fuck out or leave (Wizard is the bully!). And then finally, they'll attack the people they got caught stealing from or harassing of doing the same thing (she ruined my channel with her harassment!) and complain that isn't fair that only they got called out for it.
This dude is hitting every single checkbox for the stereotypical bad manners Magic player post-ban tantrum that I have personally witnessed hundreds of times in store.
My personal favorite, however, is the "The fact that you won't hear my appeal proves I'm right!". No, it doesn't. It means we are extremely confident that you're an asshole we'd be better off without and don't want to listen to you bitch about our conclusion anymore, please leave.
I mean, there's a good ancillary discussion to be had about the garbage Mt:G community.
It doesn't matter if he is or isn't. Boogie's weight doesn't threaten anybody but himself. If we expect other communities to police themselves and deal with bad behaviour, we shouldn't be falling into the same bad behaviour. Expecting our own community not to fall into playground insults for something that isn't really our problem is not a huge thing to ask of ourselves.
Boogie's fake fence sitting anti-progressive "progressive" buttshit is absolutely harmful. It's easy enough to call this out by itself.
Gosh this reminds me of when I used to play card games and actually go to stores. I never did play Magic I only played Yugioh but I saw dozens and dozens of people pull stunts like these when I played. My friends and I started joking that if we ever ran a shop we would install showers that players had to use if they wanted to be in the weekly tourneys. And don't even get me started on when the bad apples would try and trade cards with other people.
I cannot begin to imagine how hard it must be to manage a store with that many man children causing a ruckus. You have my condolences.
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Jeremy has taken his story to Breitbart and they published an article about it. Not linking, but here's a sentence from it:
"Like Gamergate, it concerns ordinary people who just want to be left alone to enjoy their hobby."
"Like Gamergate, it concerns ordinary people who just want to be left alone to enjoy their hobby."
Going straight Breitbart basically just confirms you were always a piece of shit.
If you have to compare yourself to Gamergate, you've already lost the argument.
It's extraordinary that even Breitbart can say something like "ordinary people who just want to be left alone to enjoy their hobby." The hobby in the case of Gamergate, as in this more recent one, appears to be harassing women online.
Right? I mean okay. Maybe some naive soul joined Gamergate thinking it was actually about games journalism; but five minutes spent with that group would lay bare exactly what they are actually about.