Grown man children. Never learned how to play with others. Never was taught that sometimes the winning move is to shut the fuck up and just be chill.
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Harassment campaign against MtG cosplayer forces her to leave community(Harasser banned from WoTC)
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Grown man children. Never learned how to play with others. Never was taught that sometimes the winning move is to shut the fuck up and just be chill.
Deleting it from your YouTube watched history should help out with that.
Oh I didn't even think of that, cheers.
Honestly the video isn't even that whiny yet, just promising future whining.
You really think they're out of touch? I think they're pretending to be.
Personally, I think there's more value in keeping people who ask for information informed than assuming the worst. You can only pretend to be ignorant until an explanation is given, and you show your hand if you try to make it into an argument. After the explanation is given, then there's no more need for that level of benefit of the doubt.
Moreover, if we don't inform people, I assure you that Gamergate has an image macro or something on hand to present their narrative.
I'm surprised Boogie is keeping his mouth shut. My guess is he doesn't want to risk also catching a ban from MTGO, but we'll see. He can't seem to resist keeping his awful opinions to himself.
I am impressed. I had to spend the last day reading up on what happened and it was quite the ride. I am curious to see the reaction videos coming out in the next few days.
For those who aren't tightly embroiled in the drama, I feel the need to call this out:
This first part about telling an opponent to DIAF is one of the talking points Jeremy/HQ has been pushing about one of his primary harassment targets, Erin Campbell. Erin is a prominent and outspoken trans woman in Magic who is friendly with some of their other targets (she podcasts with Evan Erwin for example) and who isn't shy about calling out douchebags, so she's been a big target for ages.
In this particular case, Jeremy took a largely out-of-context clip from a podcast interview, in which Erin told a story about an experience at a tournament in the past, and started repeating it ad nauseam to make it a go-to harassment point for his followers. Literally the only people who will reference this are the waves of alt-right troll accounts that follow Jeremy and harass his targets. For anyone who was around for GG, this phrasing should be familiar too: the faux-reasonable "well I'm just wondering" approach is something the gators refined early on and that they still tell everyone to use to try to pretend they're not trolling.
So, to summarize: this is a troll account that's here to repeat talking points from the guy who just got deservedly banned for life. Don't engage it legitimately.
This first part about telling an opponent to DIAF is one of the talking points Jeremy/HQ has been pushing about one of his primary harassment targets, Erin Campbell. Erin is a prominent and outspoken trans woman in Magic who is friendly with some of their other targets (she podcasts with Evan Erwin for example) and who isn't shy about calling out douchebags, so she's been a big target for ages.
In this particular case, Jeremy took a largely out-of-context clip from a podcast interview, in which Erin told a story about an experience at a tournament in the past, and started repeating it ad nauseam to make it a go-to harassment point for his followers. Literally the only people who will reference this are the waves of alt-right troll accounts that follow Jeremy and harass his targets. For anyone who was around for GG, this phrasing should be familiar too: the faux-reasonable "well I'm just wondering" approach is something the gators refined early on and that they still tell everyone to use to try to pretend they're not trolling.
So, to summarize: this is a troll account that's here to repeat talking points from the guy who just got deservedly banned for life. Don't engage it legitimately.
Yeah but have you ever thought that maybe.., just maybe, it's all WOTCs fault for pushing their progressive agenda on the player base???
Are you shitting me. This is hilariously transparent
Like seriously Captain Haddock oh wow levels of fuckery happening here
Yeeeep.
"As a left-leaning progressive, I'd like to tell you how everything left-leaning and progressive is bad."
Oh I mean I know all about the "excuse me but what is Gamergate?!?!!" people and I don't engage with those, but there's a lot of people I personally know or have been acquainted with online for a while, who are bigtime into MTG but not really videogames much. These people all know about GG conceptually and its relationship to the alt-right, its foundational figures, etc. but they aren't familiar with Boogie's particular line of bullshit because he works so hard at presenting a nice surface. (And, in fairness, he's been weaseling his way into Magic for a while now and people weren't already calling out his bullshit before this, so it's understandable that some people wouldn't know.)
Yeah but have you ever thought that maybe.., just maybe, it's all WOTCs fault for pushing their progressive agenda on the player base???
Right on time.
Boy, I wonder if Geoff regrets giving him that streamer reward the other year. Fuck this piece of shit. Apparently, pushing diversity upsets people. Good, they can fuck off.
C'mon guys. You know what Boogie is doing. He's stroking his unkempt beard waiting for a pause in the yelling to climb on that divider before saying, "Hey, maybe we both should just..."
Booooo, freaking WotC for not letting me be an asshat because librul agenda and all that jazz. Fuck off Boogie, you've made your point clear, your a racist PoS and you need to get off the internet and get your head checked.
Never liked boogie anyway so this is no shock to me that he's touting "both sides" bullshit. I can speak for myself that as a black gay man, I stopped playing in shops due to the rampant racism and homophobia which escalated around the past election. Its naive to think that politics won't infiltrate into our hobbies especially in this climate. Luckily, I found a cool group of other gay guys to play with. Some may call it retreating to my bubble but no one bats an eye when straight men form groups over their hobby.
The magic community at large has been pretty inclusive but that doesn't mean that every once in a while when stains like MTGHQ actively try to ruin the game for people they shouldn't be stamped out with the full force that WOTC can provide.
The magic community at large has been pretty inclusive but that doesn't mean that every once in a while when stains like MTGHQ actively try to ruin the game for people they shouldn't be stamped out with the full force that WOTC can provide.
I'm still just catching up on this, really. As far as I can see Christine Sprankle has been a universal favourite. On the other hand, the reaction on the Magic: The Gathering community, based on online posts I've been monitoring, bears some similarity to Gamergate. The term SJW is flung around, and reasonable moves towards inclusiveness and against bullying are mischaracterized as draconian overreach.
On this evidence, gaming is very sick, and the cancer seems to be deeply embedded. And yet I'm here, so I suppose I'm much more optimistic than my previous sentence implies. Curiosity about Gamergate brought me to the old place, and thence to ERA. I've found a lot of decent, intelligent people, and that fills me with courage.
On this evidence, gaming is very sick, and the cancer seems to be deeply embedded. And yet I'm here, so I suppose I'm much more optimistic than my previous sentence implies. Curiosity about Gamergate brought me to the old place, and thence to ERA. I've found a lot of decent, intelligent people, and that fills me with courage.
Gaming isn't sick. White supremacists and misogynists infest every aspect of society, so naturally they infest gaming too. That is not a fault of gaming itself. Go to a bar, join a sports team, work for a police department, you'll see the same thing.
That doesn't mean gaming isn't sick, that just means that gaming isn't the source of the disease. If someone else gives you the flu, you should still acknowledge it as your problem and take your medicine. It would be ridiculous to not to just because you aren't the point of origin.
Ya, they've infested every aspect of society, but somehow gamers have placed them on a higher pedestal and allowed them to be extra vocal. They've become the face of the community.
I agree. And Strictly from my ass, but I'd argue gaming has significantly more issues than your average group qualifier. It has almost exclusively catered to a young (white) male demographic, to such an extent that any push for diversity feels like oppression to a certain subset of gamers.
I distinctly avoid identifying as a gamer. I'm just a dude that likes to play em.
Because a combination of queasy corporate grooming and a general undercurrent of unearned resentment in nerd culture as a whole have basically made quote-unquote "gaming culture" a perfect fascist recruiting ground.
I think people, especially here, tend to think GG was way bigger than it actually was. Outside of even very niche gaming circles (since remember, most gamers don't tend to be super into the culture aspect) - no one really knows or cares. It's the same way we often tend to think Twitter is this representative all reaching channel of society, when only a small percentage of people tend to read twitter. Occasionally it makes the jump into mainstream conscience (see: metoo, BLM), but that usually is because it's already had pushes outside of twitter for some time (like BLM and metoo). I remember being at PAX when GG first happened, and pretty much no one at PAX knew anything about it.
Pretty much. Lot of "gaming is a special unique snowflake" takes recently when it's not; just people looking for a reason to be hipster-y and shit on stuff. (or just having no perspective)
That's a terrible analogy. The equivalent analogy would be being forced to live next to someone who has a perpetual flu and will keep infecting you over and over. You can try to treat it when it pops up in you, but you're going to keep getting sick as long as the person next to you is sick.
...in which case, it's still your problem, and you should still acknowledge it and take your medicine. It would still be ridiculous not to just because you aren't the point of origin.
Which they are. They banned the player involved. But they can't prevent it, and that's what people seem to be all up in arms about every time. "Why does this keep happening?" Well no shit it keeps happening, until you deal with the broader societal problem, it'll manifest itself again and again in all facets of society. To claim "gaming" is some sort of special level of sick is bullshit - it's the same (or better, most likely) than most other major societal facets of life.
I don't disagree that it's a larger societal problem that the gaming community can't solve by itself. But while it can't be prevented outright, there's nothing magical about proactive stances. There doesn't have to be an incident for standards of behaviour to be made clear. It's also entirely fair to look at an incident and feel that not enough was done to discourage it from happening in the first place.
And I think so many underestimate the size. GG rocketed Milo and Mike Cenovich into the more mainstream. A lot of GG morphed into the alt-right. GG got tons of mainstream media attention and a very bad Law and Order SVU episode. Anita went on Colbert. GG was Alt-right early access and it's telling that GG took hold in gaming while The Rapid Puppies, in the Sci-fi and fantasy community, with their attack on The Hugo Awards did not.
This^
I feel as gamers most of us prefer to be non-aggressive and just avoid drama but it's the vocal assholes who seem to try taking the pedestal of being the face of the community when in reality they are the most hated by us. Fuck these pieces of shit who ruin good things. This guy deserved his ban and needs to go get some mental health so he can function in normal society.
I mean, a white supremacist and misogynist was elected to the presidency of the United States.
I agree completely. And there's still other equally awful people in the community that need to be dealt with, and the punishment should always be a permanent ban.
Nobody cares about Jeremy and his delusional belief he's going to maintain an audience when he's literally banned from Magic Online is comical.
It's the best part! Like, what is he gonna do, stream Minecraft?
He probably will loose some viewers but will gain alot from the anti-sjw, gg crowd. His longterm success will depend on how well his is able to tak advantage of the situation.
He deserves it. It is hilarious to me that other youtubers who defend him only post his video and not the one which outlines what he actually did.
Even one of the 40k channels I visit had a video like that, spouting off conspiracy theories like "First it's MTG, 40k is next!"
Like...next what? An asshole was banned for being an asshole.
Also, Jeremy's defense of "I never signed anything" comes across as ignorant since he would have had to have signed or agreed to a document before playing MTGO.
Bullies love to play the victim when they are caught.
He will not gain a bunch of anything. He doesn't have any content whatsoever without Magic. The only Magic content he can offer is unboxing videos, which is something literally anyone can do. I could go to the store, pick up a webcam, and then head to the LGS and open up a few packs in the next hour (I also assure you my commentary is better than Jeremy's is), it's not original or interesting content. There are smarter alt-right trolls who have more to offer than he does.
I actually assumed WOTC wouldn't ban him because they, like the internet in general, is incredibly fearful of giving anyone hateful any kind of reason or platform to be a fuckwad when in reality the correct move was banning him and banning his Magic Online account. He has nothing. He'll have to get a job and hope no one notices he's fucking stupid.
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He can make videos ranting about magic news, twisting stuff to fit the anti-sjw narrative. Ton of right wing YouTubers make content out of literally nothing, he can do the same, especially since he has Sargon in his corner, amplifying him right now.
I legitimately do not get why people believe that alt-right anti-SJW types can be drawn in with literally no content whatsoever. Just saying "well there's that one guy on YouTube" isn't a meaningful argument because a) I don't know who these people are but I seriously doubt there are alt-right types making money hand over fist with no content whatsoever, and b) it's assuming a LOT to believe the guy whose claim to fame is whining about Magic: the Gathering is going to successfully spread out to some other venture.
People just keep saying "well he's gonna get more patreon money!" Really? For what? He doesn't have anything to talk about and his alt-right trolling isn't inherently interesting, even if you're the type of person who thinks you're entitled to sleep with Gaby Spartz or Christine Sprankle just because they "invaded" your community and expected to be treated like a normal human being.
I'm never going to understand why the liberal community continues to experience pure terror at the idea of the right having a platform to say things as though having a platform means anything when you don't have anything to say.
Why do i get the feeling if i called him a fat sack of crap he wouldn't be pulling this both sides/need to understand each other bullshit.
I'm not afraid, just stating what could happen based on what has happened in the past.
The general trend when stuff like this happens is that people like Jeremy generally gain a short term boost in viewers/support, if the person has a small bit of sense they can build a new audience on the anti-sjw narrative.
As for they have nothing to say, he does. He doesnt have to stick to magic. I'm pretty familiar with the right wing community on YT and have seen people that literally make the same video again and again, taking articles and spinning it to fit there narrative and feed there audience.