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Easy Allies |OT| The New Era
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Are you referring to VAT or are there other fees you were getting charged?
This Patreon change is garbage, especially if you pledge small amounts to multiple creators.
EZA has 1872 people pledging $1. They're going to see the cost of their pledge go up by ~38% 38%! That's crazy.
Now imagine each of those EZA $1 backers back 20 Patreons at 1$ each, they get to pay $27.58 after the changes
Someone who backs just EZA for $20 will instead pay just $20.93
So this change is going to lead to mass consolidation, and any Patreons that rely on thousands of small backers over hundreds of big backers will suffer.
In fact this is the sort of move that can destabilise an entire platform, so I wouldn't be surprised to see everyone on Patreon suffer.
EZA has 1872 people pledging $1. They're going to see the cost of their pledge go up by ~38% 38%! That's crazy.
Now imagine each of those EZA $1 backers back 20 Patreons at 1$ each, they get to pay $27.58 after the changes
Someone who backs just EZA for $20 will instead pay just $20.93
So this change is going to lead to mass consolidation, and any Patreons that rely on thousands of small backers over hundreds of big backers will suffer.
In fact this is the sort of move that can destabilise an entire platform, so I wouldn't be surprised to see everyone on Patreon suffer.
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If you are talking about VAT, my guess is VAT will be added on top of the changed amount (so your pledge + the extra charge and then % amount of VAT (21% in my case for Belgium) on top of that).
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Yeah, just VAT actually. Thought it was something else when the amount when out of my account ha.
The one about the sustainability of AAA pricing and budgets.
Oh, congrats on getting your question picked. I enjoyed the responses a lot, especially Ben's.
These Patreon changes are awful.
I'll have do drop a patronage of $1 I have for another content creator. :(
I'll have do drop a patronage of $1 I have for another content creator. :(
"Politics" or what most people would call "being a decent person."
And from what I read, most of this community did come to an agreement, you were just part of the "vocal minority."
"Both sides." Nah. Only one side of the argument was mostly filled with drive by posters and bans.
Yeah, Noclip made a detailed post about it, which included a very handy chart that detailed the changes:
So there's actually less fees on the creator's end and they take home a significant amount more but some of those fees are passed onto us. The flat % fee seems like a really dumb idea to me, because it's actively discouraging people from committing to high patreon tiers (eg, the $500 tier suddenly becomes a $515 tier and so on).
Also, apparently the $ amount shown on the Patreon is after the fees are taken out, so it should get a bump when the changes go through.
I'm curious too. I'm not sure but I think Kyle actually may be on there because he said all his work for TGA was behind the scenes production stuff that's done now and he won't be appearing on the actual award show like the past few years.
I haven't watched the group stream, so I'm not sure what they said on there, but I think Jones is the only one who has confirmed he's attending TGAs. He said Damiani might attend it too but wasn't sure. While Kyle apparently only has a behind the scenes role with TGAs this year, so people have speculated he might be available for the live stream too.
Even if Kyle is only behind the scenes/pre production I'd still bet he will be at the awards itself.
So... Ben, Brad, Huber, Blood and Ian on the live stream? That's my guess.
Should I watch the EZA stream live this time? I usually watch live events of this kind alone, and rewatch it with the allies' reactions later, but as much as I like what Geoff is doing recently, I don't think I can make it through an 3h award show twice. On the other hand, I want to be able to read twitter while TGAs are happening without getting spoiled due to EZA stream delay...
Replace Twitter with popcorn!
The actual awards bit is so dull that you need something to talk over it.
You know that is a mendacious statement, Liquid. Don't be like that.
I would suggest what Hasney said and replace twitter with your favorite snack food of choice. The real reason to watch the game awards, at least for me, is seeing the trailers announcements so being able to have someone talk over the super boring bits will be a godsend. I would definitely watch the EZA stream and talk with the community in chat or discord. It is a lot of fun when something super hype is announced, or to laugh at something dumb with friends.
Hah, I'll just watch The Orville instead of paying attention to the actual awards.
I don't know, I might just watch the awards alone, and go watch just the announcement reactions on the eza twitch archive later.
Also: There's an EZA discord? Where can I find it?
There's two: a general one, and then one with most of everyone that posts in this thread.
Thanks!
Can I get an invite for the era one too? I completely understand if not.
I'll definitely be watching with the allies. It'll be starting really late for me (1:30am) and watching with the allies will make staying up easier, and the stream in general more entertaining.
I mean, ex-"general".
It's not official anymore. Our channel is as much of an EZA Discord as the others.
There was nothing "mendacious" about it, that's factually what happened.
I am in the same time-zone and, eye-lids willing, will be doing the same. Expecting something good from Nintendo. Maybe even the game Retro have been working on.
Seems like kind of a bad idea if that's the case. At least from the creators I follow they see this as a pretty big negative and an incentive to find an alternative to patreon. The big worry seems to be that many of their $1 patrons will just cancel when they see the increase rather than adjust to a different tier and for someone barely making rent off patreon those add up. It also seems pretty shitty for Patreon to make changes like this without any community feedback. Maybe Patreon doesn't make much money off the smaller creators so they just don't care.
Just got an email from Patreon itself about it (which is good as I wasn't too pleased that they didn't communicate about it and I had to get the info from a forum or one of the creators).
It's the usual "it keeps patreon up and running" (which seems bs as it doesn't change a thing for patreon itself) and "it's better for the creators" (which may well be correct).
For myself personally it doesn't make a huge difference as I only support 2 creators on there (EZA and SIFTD) and not for a high amount. But like other people, I think that they in general will lose a lot of $1 patrons with this.
Let's hope it doesn't make this much of a difference in the amount of patrons over the site and that EZA doesn't lose too many patrons.
It's the usual "it keeps patreon up and running" (which seems bs as it doesn't change a thing for patreon itself) and "it's better for the creators" (which may well be correct).
For myself personally it doesn't make a huge difference as I only support 2 creators on there (EZA and SIFTD) and not for a high amount. But like other people, I think that they in general will lose a lot of $1 patrons with this.
Let's hope it doesn't make this much of a difference in the amount of patrons over the site and that EZA doesn't lose too many patrons.
They probably want less $1 patrons because of transaction fees? That's my theory.
We'll both hate ourselves in the morning, but hopefully it will be worth it. \o/
I hope Patreon shakes up this plan just a bit , wave the 35 cent fee for donations under 5$. As it stands this just screams "hey 90% of all money being trafficked through our site is for donations of just 1$ , we could make an extra million a month if we charged users 38% on those" but then spin it that bigger donations send more money to creators but ... those ones are never as big as the small ones.
Like someone said, why do they have to charge 35 cents for every donation? If they charge you once, why can't it just be an extra 35 cents overall?
Unless there is something I'm clearly missing.
The largest volume of transactions they will run are going to be under $5 so that's what they need to recover cost against. HOWEVER the typical internal cost for a business to run a transaction (which will have a few variances of payment sources) is itself a fixed amount that if they have negotiated a good contract, will have a dropped unit price as volume increases. I don't have the details to see their contract with whoever handles the transaction processing on their behalf but the cost profile is typically subscription/number of transactions in a given month + cost of individual transaction - overheads (software they've purchased to handle transaction, infrastructure to handle passing transaction information to the merchant services provider etc).
Basically they're making a profit off of this with margins going up significantly once they move beyond the $1 pledges.
I just woke up so that might read as incoherent...
I suspect it has to do with creditcard/paypal fees.
They usually charge an amount to pay through their system and maybe those fees weren't charged back to the patrons before and they now are.
I know some gameingstores in Belgium and The Netherlands charge x percentage if you pay with creditcard or paypal because of those fees.
Not sure what that $0.35 is for, but probably something like a fee to keep the patreon servers running or something.
They usually charge an amount to pay through their system and maybe those fees weren't charged back to the patrons before and they now are.
I know some gameingstores in Belgium and The Netherlands charge x percentage if you pay with creditcard or paypal because of those fees.
Not sure what that $0.35 is for, but probably something like a fee to keep the patreon servers running or something.
I love whenever Amanda is on Fisaconauts. She always kills it.
Re: the patreon change, that "0.35" is brutal -- transparently so. They have to know what they're doing. Killing off small pledges isn't an unfortunate side effect, it's the goal here.
Kind of a bummer, seems like they could come up with a way to lump-sum the charge instead if the small payments are too onerous?
Kind of a bummer, seems like they could come up with a way to lump-sum the charge instead if the small payments are too onerous?
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