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Copper

Banned
Nov 13, 2017
666
I see i'm quite the outlier in predictions, but i can't see who voted and what? Can't even see my own votes.

The darkness is super hot garbage.

50% of cases you play raza before it.

50% of cases you play raza after it in which case:
- you are playing cycle priest, you cycle your deck and when just 1 candle remain raza is active again
- you are playing cycle priest, you cycle your deck and suddendly hit 2 candles in a row. You SW:D the dankness then play raza.
- you are playing cycle priest, and u kill ur opponent with DK even with hero power at 2 thanks to thaurissan, spawn of shadow and radiant elemental

Also you heatens not rating the pally spell 5 are nuts. That's secret challenger level of broken but instead of having to play shitty secrets you have to play terrible cards like minibot, juggler, protectors and possibly creepers. Terrible, terrible cards, i tell you. Recruit pally is gonna be so disgusting holy shit.
 
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Solaris

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,284
I think I'm most excited to try a control warrior with heavy armour gains, I hope it will be viable
 

Keyser S

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
8,480
When is the patch update?

Patch is usually a day or two before launch. For Frozen Throne the patch came August 8th, two days ahead of the August 10th launch.

Based on that, the the patch could come later today to be eady for Dec 7th

5PM GMT is the usual Blizz update time across all games

If the the patch comes today at the usual time, here is a countdown

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KuroNeeko

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,187
Osaka
I see i'm quite the outlier in predictions, but i can't see who voted and what? Can't even see my own votes.

The darkness is super hot garbage.

50% of cases you play raza before it.

50% of cases you play raza after it in which case:
- you are playing cycle priest, you cycle your deck and when just 1 candle remain raza is active again
- you are playing cycle priest, you cycle your deck and suddendly hit 2 candles in a row. You SW:D the dankness then play raza.
- you are playing cycle priest, and u kill ur opponent with DK even with hero power at 2 thanks to thaurissan, spawn of shadow and radiant elemental

Also you heatens not rating the pally spell 5 are nuts. That's secret challenger level of broken but instead of having to play shitty secrets you have to play terrible cards like minibot, juggler, protectors and possibly creepers. Terrible, terrible cards, i tell you. Recruit pally is gonna be so disgusting holy shit.

TD buys you time, man.
Plus, you could be playing Mill Rogue, so you could potentially be using Shadowcaster and whatnot to add extra copies of candles.

Get ready, Randuin. THE DARKNESSSSSSS is COMING!
 

Bunga

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
1,251
I've very loosely followed the reveals so not exactly sure what I want to be getting or not when packing later this week. Hopefully one of the decent weapons as the freebie, the Hunter one looks awful so hopefully don't get that! I just hope I pack enough for one Tier 1 deck without having to delve into my fairly limited dust reserves. I did well with KFT and not spending any dust until the meta settled a bit, wanting to do the same here.
 

squidyj

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,670
Top 3 Exciting Decks for me right now. (all standard)

1. OTK Elemental Shaman
2. Kingsbane Rogue
3. Burn Mage feat. Elementals

...
4. Discard Warlock
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,686
There was oakheart hype? :b
I don't think there was hype, but I suspect it will be more playable than people expect.

For 9 mana you would want 19 value and you get 10. Even if you only pull the worst two recruit minions, perhaps an average 1/2 and 2/3, you're still getting 18 points of stats which is just barely understatted. If you get the 3-attack minion then you have a decent chance of good value (1/2 and 3/4 give you 10 points, slightly overstatted). If you have a deck with mismatched minions like 3/6 or 3/8 then it's even better.

Of course it would be weak to 5-damage clears since it's not a single massive body, but having multiple bodies might be nice in some situations.
 

zoukka

Game Developer
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Oct 28, 2017
2,361
For 9 mana you want more value than a boardful of tiny minions. Like Onyxia is probably better and that only saw play briefly.
 

scarlet

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,624
Top 3 Exciting Decks for me right now. (all standard)

1. OTK Elemental Shaman
2. Kingsbane Rogue
3. Burn Mage feat. Elementals

...
4. Discard Warlock

OTK elemental shaman?

Anyway how does grumble work? Return all minion to hand, so no minion on board?

Patch is usually a day or two before launch. For Frozen Throne the patch came August 8th, two days ahead of the August 10th launch.

Based on that, the the patch could come later today to be eady for Dec 7th

5PM GMT is the usual Blizz update time across all games

If the the patch comes today at the usual time, here is a countdown

t1512493200z0.png

Thank you
 

fertygo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,565
Oakheart is better than onyxia after deckbuilding.. the hell dude

And card still can be better even if its bad now.

You realize card can pickup 2 9 drop even in current state right
 

squidyj

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,670
OTK elemental shaman?

Anyway how does grumble work? Return all minion to hand, so no minion on board?

Grumble returns your minions to hand, making them cost 1. an otk combo can be achieved with
2x fire plume harbinger
1x murmuring elemental
grumble
zola the gorgon
blazecaller/kalimos/fire elemental/etc

the idea is you do a setup turn with 2 harbingers, grumble, murmuring and zola that puts the 2 harbs and 2 grumbles in your hand.
then you can bring any elemental down to 0 mana cost and cycle it in and out of your hand using grumbles and harbingers. I wrote a larger post when they first showed murmuring elemental.

if you hit grumble off a servant of kalimos you dont need the setup turn. it's close to a 1/6 to hit grumble, much better to hit any combo piece.
 

scarlet

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Oct 25, 2017
2,624
Grumble returns your minions to hand, making them cost 1. an otk combo can be achieved with
2x fire plume harbinger
1x murmuring elemental
grumble
zola the gorgon
blazecaller/kalimos/fire elemental/etc

the idea is you do a setup turn with 2 harbingers, grumble, murmuring and zola that puts the 2 harbs and 2 grumbles in your hand.
then you can bring any elemental down to 0 mana cost and cycle it in and out of your hand using grumbles and harbingers. I wrote a larger post when they first showed murmuring elemental.

if you hit grumble off a servant of kalimos you dont need the setup turn. it's close to a 1/6 to hit grumble, much better to hit any combo piece.

Can you post your OTK mage theorycraft again? I'm gonna use that one to get my golden mage.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,686
I don't get what you mean.

It's probably a tad better than Onyxia in the right deck for sure, but that's not saying much like I explained.
The card can recruit a 2/9 minion if one is added to the game. If one exists I couldn't find it.

Getting a 5/5, 2/8, 1/2 is 23 and that's not even a full pull. It's a lot of value. Yes Onyxia could give 28 value, but clearing 1 HP minions is easier than 2+ HP.

Presumably you would also design a deck to take advantage of the card, e.g. using scaled nightmare.
 

KuroNeeko

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,187
Osaka
The card can recruit a 2/9 minion if one is added to the game. If one exists I couldn't find it.

Getting a 5/5, 2/8, 1/2 is 23 and that's not even a full pull. It's a lot of value. Yes Onyxia could give 28 value, but clearing 1 HP minions is easier than 2+ HP.

Presumably you would also design a deck to take advantage of the card, e.g. using scaled nightmare.

Vindicated Doomsayer / Scaled Nightmare meta inc.
 

Copper

Banned
Nov 13, 2017
666
You can get voidlord, homouncolous/IGB and a malchezaar's imp/voidwalker. In fact the card should've been called demonheart cause that's its true calling.
 

Shroki

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,911
It's really a shame that Blade Flurry doesn't hit people with the poison/lifesteal effects like, say, Baron Geddon after Frostlich Jaina does.

Otherwise you could play Flurries, the new weapon, Lifesteal, Poisons and have a good boardclear/comeback tool in a fatigue control Rogue: The only shell I could ever see The Darkness seeing legitimate play.
 

DSP

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,120
I think miracle priest will work very well, maybe better than miracle rogue even with these new cards. With the weapon and 2 new tomb pillagers you have, I think that deck is going to be good. You can use auctioneer very well now and you always could make a 20/20 on turn 3 anyway.

With one coin you can cast velen 2x minblast. It's going to be good. I don't know if silence build is going to be better or velen build. I'm leaning toward Velen, don't think you can fit junk like purify and ancient watchers.
 
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KuroNeeko

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,187
Osaka
I think miracle priest will work very well, maybe better than miracle rogue even with these new cards. With the weapon and 2 new tomb pillagers you have, I think that deck is going to be good. You can use auctioneer very well now and you always could make a 20/20 on turn 3 anyway.

With one coin you can cast velen 2x minblast. It's going to be good. I don't know if silence build is going to be better or velen build. I'm leaning toward Velen, don't think you can fit junk like purify and ancient watchers.

Maaan, I hate Miracle Priest....
 

Bunga

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
1,251
Just played a Priest who got Lich King from Shadow Essence, which gave him a Death Grip, which pulled one of my Drakonid Operatives, which gave him Shadow Visions, which gave him Shadow Essence, which gave him Y'Shaarj which pulled an Obsidian Statue. Seriously? Lol.
 

zoukka

Game Developer
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
2,361
Just played a Priest who got Lich King from Shadow Essence, which gave him a Death Grip, which pulled one of my Drakonid Operatives, which gave him Shadow Visions, which gave him Shadow Essence, which gave him Y'Shaarj which pulled an Obsidian Statue. Seriously? Lol.

Skillstone.
 

sibarraz

Prophet of Regret - One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
18,105
I hope that my free weapon will be the druid one.

Seems to fit very well with big druid
 

scarlet

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,624
Trying to get my golden mage, tired of losing long games and stucked around 15-13.

Switch to tempo rogue, reached 10 easily.

Hopefully I could get my golden mage soon, only 19 wins left.

I forgot the score I gave to the druid's weapon, I hope I gave it a 3/5 instead of 4/5
 

sibarraz

Prophet of Regret - One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
18,105
Just played a Priest who got Lich King from Shadow Essence, which gave him a Death Grip, which pulled one of my Drakonid Operatives, which gave him Shadow Visions, which gave him Shadow Essence, which gave him Y'Shaarj which pulled an Obsidian Statue. Seriously? Lol.

Your opponent was an student of the game. He/she played the Shadow Essence knowing that the odds were at his/her favor to pull that exact play. nothing to be ashamed when you lose against someone like that

PS: Which is the genderless pronoun used in english? I thought that it was "it" but I know that a transgender person takes offense when you use it, or is in the context that even though you know the gender of said person you still stick with "it" to insult them?
 

Nachos

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Oct 26, 2017
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PS: Which is the genderless pronoun used in english? I thought that it was "it" but I know that a transgender person takes offense when you use it, or is in the context that even though you know the gender of said person you still stick with "it" to insult them?

"It" isn't used for people (just inanimate objects and sometimes for other animals), so it's dehumanizing. I don't think there's really an English gender-neutral pronoun that doesn't have some kind of detractor, but "they" is the most common. At times it can create some ambiguity as for how many people you're talking about, but most of the time, it's pretty obvious. It's no worse than how a lot of other languages handle things.
 

Codosbuya

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,329
Voted in the poll.

I gave 5 stars to, in no specific order:

Duskbreaker.
Twilight Acolyte.
Leyline Manipulator.
Master Oakheart.
Carnivorous Cube (I hope DR Hunter reachs critical mass of DR effects with this and Kathreena)
Dire Mole.
Kobold Librarian.
Cavern Shinyfinder (cant remember if 4 or 5)


I really want to see a BIG spell deck reaching tier 2 or tier 1. We didn't have this archetype before and Spectral Summoner is a very interesting card. Maybe BIG Mage?
 
Oct 28, 2017
6,119
Hello everyone. This expansion finally dragged me back to Hearthstone, so I figure I might join you guys and see if I can stick around for a while. The new cards look pretty fun and I'm excited to try them out. I wanted to give some thoughts on a few of them though that don't necessarily go with the common perception. Perhaps I'm thinking about it wrong.

Rhok'delar - Unplayable and barely good even in spell hunter. Ignoring the fact that there aren't the cards for this right now, in a few expansions maybe there could be. Even at that point, this will not be good due to the high amount of garbage spells hunter has. This card won't be worth playing in the deck it's made for.

Lynessa Sunsorrow - The best legendary of the expansion. Control Paladin is tier 2 right now, honestly, and next expansion it will run two buffs: Spikeridged Steed and Potion of Heroism. These two alone will be enough to make Lynessa viable in that deck. She's going to be very strong.

Val'anyr - Very decent. Probably among the best weapons. Sure, it can be silenced but very few decks run silence and whatever this buffs will not even necessarily be the best target for that silence. Not sure it's playable, but I think it's good.

Potion of Heroism - This is going to be one of the best spells ever made. Incredibly strong. Allows you to trade and keep your minion while cycling. It allows so much more value than something like PWS, which is already run in just about every Priest deck ever made. This will definitely see play.

Psychic Scream - This card will not see play. It's expensive and while it clears the board, it gives everything back to your opponent in their deck. Since Priest is going to be running a bunch of big minions that are pretty decent, giving them to your opponent in the late game will likely see them be excellent top decks for your opponent. All this will do is stall the game and, at 7 mana, just give your opponent a chance to fill the board again. It's enough to put aggro to bed, but it's not enough for other archetypes. Priest doesn't need this. Drakefire Potion is much better.

Sonya Shadowdancer - Second best legendary of the set. Rogue runs a ton of minions that may stick around because, on board, they're not much of a threat. She'll be able to capitalize on this. Even if she does become played a lot and opponents work to make sure she can't trigger, that means they're making otherwise inopportune plays just to play around her. She's definitely playable. Might make it into current tempo rogue lists.

Kingsbane - Overrated. Rogue doesn't have the cards to do fatigue matchups generally, and that's really where this belongs. It's good in theory, but really it's not wonderful. The rogue card that searches a weapon isn't enough to make this viable. You'd need to use a lot of buffs on it and see it coming back multiple times. I think you'd lose before that happens in most matchups.

Elven Minstrel - Card draw in Rogue that is actually decent. Finally. This won't see play this expansion but keep an eye out for it next year. If Rogue gets a decent heal, this guy is going to play a part in the rise of some kind of control Rogue.

Zola the Gorgon - Third best legendary and another buff to Rogue. She's like a better Shadowcaster, which was just a bit too expensive to be viable. She doesn't have that issue. You can make a lot of strong plays using her. Very good. Also viable in other control decks. I believe she will undoubtedly see play.

Overall, I think they've set Rogue up to become potentially dominant next year (and still very good this expansion). Paladin is going to be a bit stronger. I do agree that Priest is going to be very strong, but not oppressively so. Dragon Priest wasn't great before. Now it will be viable but not overpowering and likely still not the best Priest archetype. The best card by far for priest was the dragon that board wipes as that will allow Dragon Priest to hurt aggro like it used to with its army of taunts.
 

SnugTeam6

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Oct 25, 2017
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I know not to craft stuff on the verge of a new meta shift, but man do I want to craft the Paladin quest and pray I get Lynessa. That deck seems just too fun.
 

Htown

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,319
Rhok'delar - Unplayable and barely good even in spell hunter. Ignoring the fact that there aren't the cards for this right now, in a few expansions maybe there could be. Even at that point, this will not be good due to the high amount of garbage spells hunter has. This card won't be worth playing in the deck it's made for.
this is the same kind of thing people said about Lyra and the fact that priest had "awful" spells.

thing is, just because a spell isn't good enough to run in your deck, it doesn't mean it's not good enough to get from an RNG effect

that said I'm not sure the deck will be any good in the upcoming meta, so we'll see
 

Wiibomb

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,712
alright I blazed through all of the ratings, hopefully I didn't messed it up like I usually do with some cards.

tbh I'm seeing many more good cards than I remember from this spoiler season. even if they don't get played there are some very good and interesting cards in this set.
 

The Wizard

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,052
I think spell-heavy hunter with the weapon could be a pretty fun tier 3 deck. I would probably not put To my Side into it and keep a few minions though (couple of options that could work: barnes, secret synergy or some new recruit package)
 

Bunga

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
1,251
Does anyone here only play one class? Or one class predominantly? I've thought about it numerous times as a way to make the game cheaper to keep up with and easier to focus on but I always stop short because there is inevitably cool cards/decks for other classes and I need to do quests to get gold. With another 3 expansions confirmed for 2018 much like this year, I dunno, this game is just turning into a serious money sink with pre-orders. I know you don't have to pre-order but it really does help to keep up to date if you want to stay with the meta on expansion release.
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,953
Las Vegas
I guess I'm the only one somewhat high on Skull of the Man'ari.

I feel like it's a really strong card if you can stay a little ahead of the meta and throw it into your deck as weapon removal starts to fade. Though I get why people are rating it low, it's a start of the turn effect that's going to be seeing a lot of counterplay during the immediate release of the expansion.
 

Codosbuya

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,329
Hello everyone. This expansion finally dragged me back to Hearthstone, so I figure I might join you guys and see if I can stick around for a while. The new cards look pretty fun and I'm excited to try them out. I wanted to give some thoughts on a few of them though that don't necessarily go with the common perception. Perhaps I'm thinking about it wrong.

Rhok'delar - Unplayable and barely good even in spell hunter. Ignoring the fact that there aren't the cards for this right now, in a few expansions maybe there could be. Even at that point, this will not be good due to the high amount of garbage spells hunter has. This card won't be worth playing in the deck it's made for.
Hello Carthago. I took the type and answered your reviews with my thoughts. I hope you find them interesting. Regarding Rhok'delar, I agree with you. The effect does not warrant removing all minions from your deck.

Lynessa Sunsorrow - The best legendary of the expansion. Control Paladin is tier 2 right now, honestly, and next expansion it will run two buffs: Spikeridged Steed and Potion of Heroism. These two alone will be enough to make Lynessa viable in that deck. She's going to be very strong.
Calling it the best legendary might be reaching. Putting all your eggs into one basket is never a good idea. Even if you drop Lynessa, she could get hard removal. Lynessa should be considered 1 big threat which requires building around (Buffs).

Val'anyr - Very decent. Probably among the best weapons. Sure, it can be silenced but very few decks run silence and whatever this buffs will not even necessarily be the best target for that silence. Not sure it's playable, but I think it's good.
I believe Val'anyr was think to be paired alongside Divine Shield, Lifesteal or Taunt minions. Even not getting one cycle is good enough when the DR falls into Charge/Lifesteal, Argent Commander or Whistle. Very strong against Control.

Potion of Heroism - This is going to be one of the best spells ever made. Incredibly strong. Allows you to trade and keep your minion while cycling. It allows so much more value than something like PWS, which is already run in just about every Priest deck ever made. This will definitely see play.
Fully agree

Psychic Scream - This card will not see play. It's expensive and while it clears the board, it gives everything back to your opponent in their deck. Since Priest is going to be running a bunch of big minions that are pretty decent, giving them to your opponent in the late game will likely see them be excellent top decks for your opponent. All this will do is stall the game and, at 7 mana, just give your opponent a chance to fill the board again. It's enough to put aggro to bed, but it's not enough for other archetypes. Priest doesn't need this. Drakefire Potion is much better.
Now this is where you made me post. One of the strongest deck in the game is Highlander Priest, which works by cycling a lot, deploying Raza/Anduin and bolting you down. In that, this is very very very strong. For Aggro you mess up their draws while stalling the game. If fatigue is not your goal, Psychic Scream is awesome in almost every case.

Sonya Shadowdancer - Second best legendary of the set. Rogue runs a ton of minions that may stick around because, on board, they're not much of a threat. She'll be able to capitalize on this. Even if she does become played a lot and opponents work to make sure she can't trigger, that means they're making otherwise inopportune plays just to play around her. She's definitely playable. Might make it into current tempo rogue lists.
Seems clunky to use tbh. You need to have minions on board aswell as your enemy, and the enemy minions should have enough attack to suicide your minions into them. Maybe against big taunt creatures? Why not use Vilespine on the taunt then?

Kingsbane - Overrated. Rogue doesn't have the cards to do fatigue matchups generally, and that's really where this belongs. It's good in theory, but really it's not wonderful. The rogue card that searches a weapon isn't enough to make this viable. You'd need to use a lot of buffs on it and see it coming back multiple times. I think you'd lose before that happens in most matchups.
Before Cavern Shinyfinder I would agree but having the ability to bounce back the Kobold, drawing your Kingsbane as necessary and playing it since it is 1 mana only seems good. I imagine a Pirate package with Southseas, Greenskin... to keep enchanting the weapon, while removing all threats with Envenom Weapon + Leeching Poison to keep your health pool high. However doesnt seem to be better than current Tempo list nor fit there.

Elven Minstrel - Card draw in Rogue that is actually decent. Finally. This won't see play this expansion but keep an eye out for it next year. If Rogue gets a decent heal, this guy is going to play a part in the rise of some kind of control Rogue.
Agree with your review.

Zola the Gorgon - Third best legendary and another buff to Rogue. She's like a better Shadowcaster, which was just a bit too expensive to be viable. She doesn't have that issue. You can make a lot of strong plays using her. Very good. Also viable in other control decks. I believe she will undoubtedly see play.
I think that Zola will see play in Highlander decks exclusively to copy these big battlecries (Kazakus, maybe even Krul?)

Overall, I think they've set Rogue up to become potentially dominant next year (and still very good this expansion). Paladin is going to be a bit stronger. I do agree that Priest is going to be very strong, but not oppressively so. Dragon Priest wasn't great before. Now it will be viable but not overpowering and likely still not the best Priest archetype. The best card by far for priest was the dragon that board wipes as that will allow Dragon Priest to hurt aggro like it used to with its army of taunts.

Priest is going to dominate hard the meta. They got a lot of good cards that further enhance existing archetypes.
 

greepoman

Member
Oct 26, 2017
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Lynessa Sunsorrow - The best legendary of the expansion.

Potion of Heroism - This is going to be one of the best spells ever made.

I was high on these two at first but after listening to reviews I'm much more tempered. Succeptible to any deck that clears all your minions every turn. Doesn't help enough against other control decks and the lynessa with just steed and heroism isn't as strong as you think. Heroism is good still and might be in every paladin deck but if it were that overpowered argent protector would see play.
 

Schreckstoff

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Oct 25, 2017
3,612
I was high on these two at first but after listening to reviews I'm much more tempered. Succeptible to any deck that clears all your minions every turn. Doesn't help enough against other control decks and the lynessa with just steed and heroism isn't as strong as you think. Heroism is good still and might be in every paladin deck but if it were that overpowered argent protector would see play.
that was my reasoning on the latter, is a card drawn better on average than a 2/2 body attached? I'd say no and argent protector has never seen play for as long as I mained paladin.
 
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