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Shit like that is why I always guffaw when I hear people brag about how progressive the GAF (now Reset) OT community are.

I mean, they *are* progressive in some areas, but others......yikes.
Far from it. One day, you hope some of them will click.

It also doesn't help that a lot are suffering mentally and are unable to get the resources they need.

Banned dude needs help on a personal scale if you look at past posts.
 
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油条 (you tiao) though I think Cantonese call it something different.

There are only like...2 Taiwanese restaurants in San Francisco where I can get soy milk...and one of them doesn't even serve the you tiao. :(
Oh thank you.


We used to get the best soy milk from this little basement store in DC when I was a kid. Most amazing pork buns too. They're long gone though :(
 
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Far from it. One day, you hope some of them will click.

It also doesn't help that a lot are suffering mentally and are unable to get the resources they need.

Banned dude needs help on a personal scale if you look at past posts.

Yah, and they get quite aggressive when you debunk them too.

That's the *other* reason I now stay out of OT. Nobody wants or needs that kind of shit.

I just hope my Jew-ERA FAQ has some effect in educating people.
 

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To give the mods credit, I do see that racism is getting banned. I assume that there needs to be a few reports before action can be taken, because there must be a ton of false reports and they all need to be reviewed individually.

& anyhow, yeah it's you tiao. We have SO much soy milk-- ours is super fresh, and it comes sweetened, nonsweetened, and... salty (bleh). I'm surprised SF doesn't have more places like this. These kinds of breakfast offerings are at all the Chinese/Taiwanese supermarkets here :o. I can walk out the door and be literally showered in (totally not phallic) you tiao.



But they're so oily. When you bite into it and chew it it's like omigod oil.


I've never had a good you tiao from a non Hong Kong style eatery with congee and bbq.

The Taiwanese/Fujianese ones are the worst. Super oily and stale.
 

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Xiao Long Bao in San Carlos. I know it's kinda a played out fad at this point, but I love the stuff still.
 

gully state

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XLB is no fad. I'm actually surprised some hipster chef hasn't come in and attempted to "elevate" the dish.
 

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i've had ma la xiao long bao few months ago (basically xiao long bao with ma la hotpot soup base), it was surprisingly decent
 

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How can you call this a fad D:?

That's like calling dumplings a fad!

*drools over XLB
Xiao long bao is overrated. COME AT ME.

I've been to the alleged best place in Toronto that was allegedly as good or better than Joe Shanghai and I still though it sucked. I'll make it to JS one day when the kids are older, but nah, I'm good fam. More xiao long bao for you fine folks. I'd rather have a cha siu bao every time.

XLB is no fad. I'm actually surprised some hipster chef hasn't come in and attempted to "elevate" the dish.
And it'll be at a restaurant called MeeLuvYiuLongTime with a sign about gentrifying the neighborhood that costs $25 for 8 frozen dumplings from a 100 pack bought at Hmart.
 
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all these talk about xiao long bao and cha siu bao when lau sha bao/liu sha bao is the true goat
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Apologies! I just figured, since I'm pretty slow on the uptake of new foods that XLB had played out by now. I remember it was about 4 years ago that I was in NYC and my sister and I made it a mission to find the best XLB in the City. We ate so much that fall and I never got tired of it.
 
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Xiao long bao is overrated. COME AT ME.

I've been to the alleged best place in Toronto that was allegedly as good or better than Joe Shanghai and I still though it sucked. I'll make it to JS one day when the kids are older, but nah, I'm good fam. More xiao long bao for you fine folks. I'd rather have a cha siu bao every time.

Brah....

How can you hate on XLB when you've never had it in Taiwan? It's a Taiwanese staple-- eat it there before you judge :D.

[ps - joe shangai isn't even as good at dtf]



all these talk about xiao long bao and cha siu bao when lau sha bao/liu sha bao is the true goat
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I LOVE THIS STUFF OMIGOD. ghsdkjgshgsdgkjhsdkhg. I could eat it all morning.

XLB is in my top 3 fav foods of all-time

SACRILEGE. XLB is the best.

Y'all know what's up :D
 
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Should I watch that documentary, or is it another video on why Asian men sucks?

I think it's a good video. If you read the description - "Natalie Tran interviews several people and couples about negative comments surrounding White Male Asian Female relationships. Who is making these comments and why?"

I've definitely noticed, personally, that Asian men make the most negative comments about WM/AF relationships, regardless of generation/age. It's not really a good thing, even if I can understand the sentiment.
 

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Don't these types of comments occur with all interracial pairings? Yes, you see Asian males make these types of complaints but the I've also seen black males complain about WM\BF pairings...( I remember watching a bad comedy bit on BET way back in the day about how the only reason black women date white men is because they have bills that need to be paid). I'm not justifying this attitude but it shouldn't be singled out as something only Asian males do.


I haven't watched much of the video. The bits that I saw, she seems to be exploring the comments itself along with some introspection of her own identity rather than Asian men are evil.
 

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It's basically Asian hotep behavior.

Are there societal racial issues occasionally in play when some people decide who they want to date? Of course. But if you have a problem with any particular flavor of interracial couple on principle you probably need to do some self reflection.
 

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Interracial relationships are fine.

What I want is the emasculating of asian guys in media to stop ( it won't because it serve to benefit the white men ) and that we should be able to call out on people who hate on us, even if it comes from within the own race.

By that I meant both Asian males and females.

And a look at that thread should at least be a heads-up to any Asian male that even within the liberals, they want the status quo of white supremacy in future.

The right is terrible and the left is hypocritical. It is what it is.

You just need to see how many of them don't give a shit about drone strikes casualties so long as American hegemony is maintained.
 
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Don't these types of comments occur with all interracial pairings? Yes, you see Asian males make these types of complaints but the I've also seen black males complain about WM\BF pairings...( I remember watching a bad comedy bit on BET way back in the day about how the only reason black women date white men is because they have bills that need to be paid). I'm not justifying this attitude but it shouldn't be singled out as something only Asian males do.

I haven't watched much of the video. The bits that I saw, she seems to be exploring the comments itself along with some introspection of her own identity rather than Asian men are evil.

I'm not familiar with other interracial pairings, personally. The only jokes I hear are how black male celebrities marry white women to show they've made it, and a bit more nastiness about black female celebrities marry white men because they are self-hating. Again, I have a super limited exposure to that.

I'm a lot more familiar with interracial pairings between Asians and whites.

It's basically Asian hotep behavior.

Are there societal racial issues occasionally in play when some people decide who they want to date? Of course. But if you have a problem with any particular flavor of interracial couple on principle you probably need to do some self reflection.

What is Asian hotep behavior?

Interracial relationships are fine.

What I want is the emasculating of asian guys in media to stop ( it won't because it serve to benefit the white men ) and that we should be able to call out on people who hate on us, even if it comes from within the own race.

By that I meant both Asian males and females.

And a look at that thread should at least be a heads-up to any Asian male that even within the liberals, they want the status quo of white supremacy in future.

The right is terrible and the left is hypocritical. It is what it is.

You just need to see how many of them don't give a shit about drone strikes casualties so long as American hegemony is maintained.

I don't disagree that we should work on correcting our own bias and prejudices, but I also don't subscribe to both sides. One side is clearly better for minorities, including Asians. One side is clearly MORE racist. One side clearly will never give a fuck, while the other will maybe listen.

Re: drone strike casualties- pretty sure that's just one side that doesn't care....
 

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I'm not familiar with other interracial pairings, personally. The only jokes I hear are how black male celebrities marry white women to show they've made it, and a bit more nastiness about black female celebrities marry white men because they are self-hating. Again, I have a super limited exposure to that.

I'm a lot more familiar with interracial pairings between Asians and whites.



What is Asian hotep behavior?



I don't disagree that we should work on correcting our own bias and prejudices, but I also don't subscribe to both sides. One side is clearly better for minorities, including Asians. One side is clearly MORE racist. One side clearly will never give a fuck, while the other will maybe listen.

Re: drone strike casualties- pretty sure that's just one side that doesn't care....
It's essentially the controlling-women wolf in date-our-own-race-because-no-one-else-appreciates-us-properly sheep's clothing
 

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Saya aah nice :> hoping mulan live action will be good :D

yeah i really dislike when they take a very, very, very niche subsection of a demographics and use it as a blanket generalization for asian men. it's so dishonest. east asian pop idols do NOT look like the average asian men. just like the average celebrity doesn't look like average people. geez.

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I think it's a good video. If you read the description - "Natalie Tran interviews several people and couples about negative comments surrounding White Male Asian Female relationships. Who is making these comments and why?"

I've definitely noticed, personally, that Asian men make the most negative comments about WM/AF relationships, regardless of generation/age. It's not really a good thing, even if I can understand the sentiment.

I honestly didn't even click on it because I was worried about the possible cringe factor. I almost clicked after reading some discussion in the other thread, but then someone had to link a Asian PUA website talking about the video. I just went "NOPE!"

I'll trust your judgement and watch it when I get home tonight.

I went for dim sum with some Caucasian people and even though he was warned, one of them tried to "cut" his bun with a spoon.

You can guess what happened.

I bit into one of these fuckers not knowing what it was. It came all over my pants leaving a nasty stain on my crotch. I wish I was joking. It even came with nasty queefing sound when it came.
 

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Should I watch that documentary, or is it another video on why Asian men sucks?

Sorry for responding late as didn't see the notification on my phone. I don't think it's worth spending 40 minutes to see her stumble around trying to grapple with being harassed in comments and how Asian masculinity has perception problems, while not being very introspective of her indirect role in it as an Asian woman that has only had white partners. On the otherhand, I think that the thread in r/hapa is a much better gauge of her intentions and issues that she faced when making the doc because she actually responded to people and tapped that community for input. I'm still suspect as hell, but I still respect her for putting a huge target on her forehead. I'd say that the segments with JT Tran, Katie the matchmaker, and EurasianTiger from the sub are the most compelling ones because they actually articulate a lot of the issues in personal and easy-to-digest bits. Others might not agree with me, but that's just my impression. JT Tran's addendum to the interview was very powerful as well. His concept of "Sins of the Mother" absolutely hit me like a ton of bricks.

I honestly didn't even click on it because I was worried about the possible cringe factor. I almost clicked after reading some discussion in the other thread, but then someone had to link a Asian PUA website talking about the video. I just went "NOPE!"

HAHA...that was me and it's worth reading. Don't get me wrong, JT's thing is very problematic and exploitive, but it's one way to tackle the problem and it's how he practices his activism. I honestly don't know if someone is ghostwriting his PUA blog entries because when he does realtak, it's like it's a completely different person. He straight up tells you that if Asian women don't want you, there are plenty of other women of other races that will...and for $500(or whatever he charges), he will make a casanova out of you. I think the peacocking PUA routine is just cover for helping guys build some confidence and getting over some social awkwardness though.
 
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I don't disagree that we should work on correcting our own bias and prejudices, but I also don't subscribe to both sides. One side is clearly better for minorities, including Asians. One side is clearly MORE racist. One side clearly will never give a fuck, while the other will maybe listen.

Re: drone strike casualties- pretty sure that's just one side that doesn't care....

I'm not a voter in any western countries so I do not have any fight in this when I mentioned the liberals are hypocrites.

What I do take issue is through America wide economic and cultural reach, their norms and beliefs are normalized internationally when it's clear that it's ultimately self-serving.

Democracy, meritocracy, progressive values are no doubt ideal. It's the people who supposedly embodied these principles that I have serious doubt with.

I do not disagree that one side, the right side, is clearly racist but I do no believe the other side will simply " listen " and " act " for actual equality. Within their society and between nations.

The diversity liberals is given credit for ultimately mean white men still remain at the top of the hierarchy while the rest of other groups get marginal increase exposure.

And these white liberals folk have the nerve to pound their chest for being progressive.

As for drone strikes, neither side really care because American hegemony is that important to them.
 

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Sorry but guys like EurasianTiger and the hapas subreddit are stains that do nothing but make Asian men look worse. They do nothing but harass people. There's a major difference between actual social dialogue and toxic vitriol.
 

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I'm not a voter in any western countries so I do not have any fight in this when I mentioned the liberals are hypocrites.

What I do take issue is through America wide economic and cultural reach, their norms and beliefs are normalized internationally when it's clear that it's ultimately self-serving.

Democracy, meritocracy, progressive values are no doubt ideal. It's the people who supposedly embodied these principles that I have serious doubt with.

I do not disagree that one side, the right side, is clearly racist but I do no believe the other side will simply " listen " and " act " for actual equality. Within their society and between nations.

The diversity liberals is given credit for ultimately mean white men still remain at the top of the hierarchy while the rest of other groups get marginal increase exposure.

And these white liberals folk have the nerve to pound their chest for being progressive.

As for drone strikes, neither side really care because American hegemony is that important to them.

Ultimately that feels like a very nihilistic viewpoint to me, and although I believe it bears a certain amount of merit I also don't believe that that level of cynicism helps anybody. I will be the first to admit that often liberals confused tokenism with diversity. I also think there are some problems that need to be seen and solved through racialised lens, and I think modern liberalism is afraid in America is afraid to address these problems in that manner.

But I also believe that liberal politics and liberal politicians advocate solutions that move us towards a better future and one in which we are more likely to be able to address these problems. Modern American conservatism moves us towards death -- which feels extreme, somehow, but also correct to say.
Sorry but guys like EurasianTiger and the hapas subreddit are stains that do nothing but make Asian men look worse. They do nothing but harass people. There's a major difference between actual social dialogue and toxic vitriol.

Agreed 100 percent. I do believe there is a really big problem with Asian men being stereotyped as herbivores in modern society. I do not believe that the solution is to push a brand of toxic masculinity onto Asian men in the hopes that this gets more of them laid. That's just perpetuating the patriarchy, especially when they are encouraged to exploit power dynamics in order to get what they want/feel like they deserve.
 
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Agreed 100 percent. I do believe there is a really big problem with Asian men being stereotyped as herbivores in modern society. I do not believe that the solution is to push a brand of toxic masculinity onto Asian men in the hopes that this gets more of them laid. That's just perpetuating the patriarchy, especially when they are encouraged to exploit power dynamics in order to get what they want/feel like they deserve.
Yep. Using the white supremacy playbook won't let you beat white supremacy.
 

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Ultimately that feels like a very nihilistic viewpoint to me, and although I believe it bears a certain amount of merit I also don't believe that that level of cynicism helps anybody. I will be the first to admit that often liberals confused tokenism with diversity. I also think there are some problems that need to be seen and solved through racialised lens, and I think modern liberalism is afraid in America is afraid to address these problems in that manner.

But I also believe that liberal politics and liberal politicians advocate solutions that move us towards a better future and one in which we are more likely to be able to address these problems. Modern American conservatism moves us towards death -- which feels extreme, somehow, but also correct to say.

It is indeed nihilistic and I tend to be rather aggressive when I post in threads about marginalized groups but I do not let my online persona interferes with my daily life.

I'm an outsider who isn't affected by police brutality, american's war tendencies, tax reforms, monetary policies, a deeper systemic level of racism that I have to look over my shoulders every day. I'm also from a wealthy Asian country and my dad has rode the wave of my country developing transition from 3rd to 1st world.

They couldn't tag as me as bitter or had a self-persecuting complex when I post in these threads as many of those issues don't affect me. But that to me, it's precisely the time when I choose to post. I find it disgusting how inconsistent and flippant the morals these people have and they are either willfully oblivious or deliberately disingenuous when it serve their interest.

It's not like I dislike all liberals and whatsnot. I did like Ellen Page because despite being a victim of sexism and homophobia, she shows empathy and compassion towards other marginalized groups that she thought are having it worst because they face the same issues + racism as well.
 
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A lot of OT'ers are just misinformed as hell, constricted by their own particular ideologies/biases, and only care what people outside of their preferred groups think when it is consistent with their own worldview. Dealing with that requires a lot of patience, which is understandably in short supply.
 
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Ultimately that feels like a very nihilistic viewpoint to me, and although I believe it bears a certain amount of merit I also don't believe that that level of cynicism helps anybody. I will be the first to admit that often liberals confused tokenism with diversity. I also think there are some problems that need to be seen and solved through racialised lens, and I think modern liberalism is afraid in America is afraid to address these problems in that manner.

But I also believe that liberal politics and liberal politicians advocate solutions that move us towards a better future and one in which we are more likely to be able to address these problems. Modern American conservatism moves us towards death -- which feels extreme, somehow, but also correct to say.



Agreed 100 percent. I do believe there is a really big problem with Asian men being stereotyped as herbivores in modern society. I do not believe that the solution is to push a brand of toxic masculinity onto Asian men in the hopes that this gets more of them laid. That's just perpetuating the patriarchy, especially when they are encouraged to exploit power dynamics in order to get what they want/feel like they deserve.

I agree with everything you have to say here.

It is indeed nihilistic and I tend to be rather aggressive when I post in threads about marginalized groups but I do not let my online persona interferes with my daily life.

I'm an outsider who isn't affected by police brutality, american's war tendencies, tax reforms, monetary policies, a deeper systemic level of racism that I have to look over my shoulders every day. I'm also from a wealthy Asian country and my dad has rode the wave of my country developing transition from 3rd to 1st world.

They couldn't tag as me as bitter or had a self-persecuting complex when I post in these threads as many of those issues don't affect me. But that to me, it's precisely the time when I choose to post. I find it disgusting how inconsistent and flippant the morals these people have and they are either willfully oblivious or deliberately disingenuous when it serve their interest.

It's not like I dislike all liberals and whatsnot. I did like Ellen Page because despite being a victim of sexism and homophobia, she shows empathy and compassion towards other marginalized groups that she thought are having it worst because they face the same issues + racism as well.

Your outsider status does not make you privy to some sort of transcended actualization. All it does it exclude you from understanding what it is like for us inside.

All people are hypocritical. Movements have elements of hypocrisy in them. To try and both sides the two parties in the US is incredibly regressive for minorities, women, and marginalized groups. The "liberal" side is not perfect. However, the liberal wing of America consists of people who are more open to inclusiveness and equality.

Take the emasculation of Asian men. Some of the posters in this thread will remember my views and posts on this on GAF. Hollywood emasculates Asian men. Hollywood is also more liberal than the rest of America. Sure, you can look at this and infer, well, Hollywood = liberal, Hollywood = emasculates Asian men, therefore liberal = emasculates Asian men.

But to do that requires that you think in a deliberately ignorant manner on how conservatives view Asian men. Conservatives believe in things like Japanese internment camps, or rather, herding up Asian men (and women), regardless of citizenship, and putting them in camps in the desert without adequate food, water, medicine. Taking their land and money and lives. They're willing to go that far- if they "ran" Hollywood, the portrayal of Asian men would be the same and would not change, unlike what is (slowly) happening in Hollywood.

Yes, Hollywood suffers from tokenism. "We made one Asian man okay, that's all we need." No, that's not enough, and I encourage people to say so. But, they tried. They (begrudgingly?) listened to the liberal ideas of inclusiveness, inclusion, and equality. The reason why it even moved one centimeter is because of what liberalism stands for in the US. If they were conservative, we wouldn't even have this (and would never get it, because what conservatives now in the US stand for is really anti-inclusiveness, anti-diversity, and white supremacy).

There are only two sides in America, and only one of them will even attempt to listen to us.
 

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I agree with everything you have to say here.



Your outsider status does not make you privy to some sort of transcended actualization. All it does it exclude you from understanding what it is like for us inside.

All people are hypocritical. Movements have elements of hypocrisy in them. To try and both sides the two parties in the US is incredibly regressive for minorities, women, and marginalized groups. The "liberal" side is not perfect. However, the liberal wing of America consists of people who are more open to inclusiveness and equality.

Take the emasculation of Asian men. Some of the posters in this thread will remember my views and posts on this on GAF. Hollywood emasculates Asian men. Hollywood is also more liberal than the rest of America. Sure, you can look at this and infer, well, Hollywood = liberal, Hollywood = emasculates Asian men, therefore liberal = emasculates Asian men.

But to do that requires that you think in a deliberately ignorant manner on how conservatives view Asian men. Conservatives believe in things like Japanese internment camps, or rather, herding up Asian men (and women), regardless of citizenship, and putting them in camps in the desert without adequate food, water, medicine. Taking their land and money and lives. They're willing to go that far- if they "ran" Hollywood, the portrayal of Asian men would be the same and would not change, unlike what is (slowly) happening in Hollywood.

Yes, Hollywood suffers from tokenism. "We made one Asian man okay, that's all we need." No, that's not enough, and I encourage people to say so. But, they tried. They (begrudgingly?) listened to the liberal ideas of inclusiveness, inclusion, and equality. The reason why it even moved one centimeter is because of what liberalism stands for in the US. If they were conservative, we wouldn't even have this (and would never get it, because what conservatives now in the US stand for is really anti-inclusiveness, anti-diversity, and white supremacy).

There are only two sides in America, and only one of them will even attempt to listen to us.
Amen
 

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I have a long spiel about this whole thing, but the short version is that I still wish we had named the thread Schrodinger's Minority. Because it's still so true. :D