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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm relatively excited for K&C. I'm glad that the power level at least seems to be lower overall but I hope that doesn't mean that very few of the cards will actually be playable until the next rotation. I certainly prefer this over something like Gadgetzan though which has left a stain on the game that we hadn't really seen since GvG.

There are a lot of decks I'm excited to play as well. Cube Hunter, Murmuring Shaman, Togwaggle Warrior just to name a few.

Still quite a few neutrals to reveal as well as the weapons for Hunter and Warrior so it should be interesting to see what's left in the set.
 

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I'm relatively excited for K&C. I'm glad that the power level at least seems to be lower overall but I hope that doesn't mean that very few of the cards will actually be playable until the next rotation. I certainly prefer this over something like Gadgetzan though which has left a stain on the game that we hadn't really seen since GvG.

There are a lot of decks I'm excited to play as well. Cube Hunter, Murmuring Shaman, Togwaggle Warrior just to name a few.

Still quite a few neutrals to reveal as well as the weapons for Hunter and Warrior so it should be interesting to see what's left in the set.


I feel like Naxx was much more of a stain than GvG but I started at the very tail end.
 

Fer

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Oct 26, 2017
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Guys, have you got plans to do a review stream this time?

I remember last time around 3 people and I joined Blizzard's stream. I somehow broke his stream the first time I voted. I had a good time then, my only complaint is that it lasted ages and I reall had to go to bed.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Guys, have you got plans to do a review stream this time?

I remember last time around 3 people and I joined Blizzard's stream. I somehow broke his stream the first time I voted. I had a good time then, my only complaint is that it lasted ages and I reall had to go to bed.
I definitely want to do that again, I'm just not sure what time. I'll make sure I have the voting overlay working in case I get viewers.
 

squidyj

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Oct 25, 2017
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I always love opportunities to disagree with people.

You could save a little time by ignoring hunter cards the way Blizzard has ignored hunters.
 

jgminto

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Oct 25, 2017
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It seems like a largely better Aldor Peacekeeper. Great for getting some extra value out of Shadow Word Horror.
 

Dahbomb

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Oct 25, 2017
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Too bad it's not a dragon itself. Priests gonna be using this to turning something into 2 attack then removing it with Shadow Pain or stealing with the Potion. The tempo plays this is going to enable are going to be insane.
 

Shroki

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Oct 27, 2017
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Wild Dragon Priest is gonna be, well, wild.

There are going to be like 4 ways to build Dragon Priest and they're all going to be okay.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Very interested in making a mill rogue deck this expansion with all the secrets and that strider minion. I know there is some amtisynergy between vanish and the 4/4 spiders but honestly if they are that mich of a problem, I am probably ahead on board and don't need to vanish anyway.The 4 mana 3/2 seems great for finding coldlights. The Kingsbane weapon can add a bit more to your deck but is questionable. Between the secrets, doomsayers, vanish and valeera it seems it could be a bunch of fun. Lots of survivability.
 

Karsticles

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Very interested in making a mill rogue deck this expansion with all the secrets and that strider minion. I know there is some amtisynergy between vanish and the 4/4 spiders but honestly if they are that mich of a problem, I am probably ahead on board and don't need to vanish anyway.The 4 mana 3/2 seems great for finding coldlights. The Kingsbane weapon can add a bit more to your deck but is questionable. Between the secrets, doomsayers, vanish and valeera it seems it could be a bunch of fun. Lots of survivability.
This is one of the four decks I am going to try with Kingsbane + Striders. I feel like those two cards go together in one of the three decks I mentioned earlier (Mill, Miracle, or Pirates).

In Standard, you can use Shadowblade to not take fatigue damage since you don't have Gang Up.

I also wonder about using the Shadowdancer combos on Strider. Seems hilarious to generate an infinite number of spiders in your deck.
 

Wiibomb

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Oct 25, 2017
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I love everything about that card except that it's an epic..

damn I already want to make some dragon priest decks
 

Papercuts

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just realized you can cabal literally any minion with that card too. I'm ready for every priest card to rotate out already because fuck that.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm okay with dragon priest getting some goods. I don't think you run this in highlander though, unless they wedge in more dragons which at one point will alter the deck away from OTK.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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No matter what class, any random ranked opponent is taking FOREVER to make their turns now.

Imagine how slow this is going to get once they're all priests, who were always the masters of randomly roping every turn.
 

zashga

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Oct 28, 2017
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Not thrilled about all the crazy priest cards they're printing this expansion. Half the ladder is already priest. Both of the current priest decks get cool new toys, and it looks like dragon priest is coming back too.
 

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It's amazing how priest is getting good cards all over the curve meanwhile hunter get only super-overcosted crap.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I think it's a side effect of how early these cards go into development.

This time next year we may be talking about how the cards Hunter has been getting are stupidly good.
 
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This is one of the four decks I am going to try with Kingsbane + Striders. I feel like those two cards go together in one of the three decks I mentioned earlier (Mill, Miracle, or Pirates).

In Standard, you can use Shadowblade to not take fatigue damage since you don't have Gang Up.

I also wonder about using the Shadowdancer combos on Strider. Seems hilarious to generate an infinite number of spiders in your deck.
Yeah I was considering Shadowdancer for the same thing. Getting back 1 mana Striders, Coldlights, Vilespines all seem really strong. Was kind of down on this expansion early on but I'm excited. Lots of deck building fun to be had.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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This is one of the four decks I am going to try with Kingsbane + Striders. I feel like those two cards go together in one of the three decks I mentioned earlier (Mill, Miracle, or Pirates).

In Standard, you can use Shadowblade to not take fatigue damage since you don't have Gang Up.

I also wonder about using the Shadowdancer combos on Strider. Seems hilarious to generate an infinite number of spiders in your deck.

Let me explain why kingsbane has no place in mill rogue. You don't want to run poisons.

And what is the real upside there to kingsbane in mill anyway? You don't die to fatigue because of shadowblade. What match up does kingsbane improve? Taking damage for value trades doesn't exactly help much.

I think arguably striders isn't even a good choice either. Actually, I am pretty certain it doesn't fit even though you have plenty of draw, the 4/4s doesn't really help towards your game plan. It's better than beneath the grounds, which of course is useless in mill.
 

Nachos

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Oct 26, 2017
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I haven't played since a week or two before the Druid nerf. How's the state of the game been since then?

Also, Warrior's weapon:
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Woecleaver

Effect: After your hero attacks, recruit a minion.
 

fertygo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Big Warr lmao

btw the more I think about it the more I think warrior legendary minion maybe really good
 

zoukka

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Oct 28, 2017
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This is the least hype I had for an expansion. It's not a weak set but it's just not very interesting.

All I know day one is that I just put a psychic scream in my priest deck and hit play. That's just lame. Last set same thing happened on day1. People just put UI in jade druid and hit legend.

I like to experiment with some of the rogue cards too but that's it. There are not many things so far that I'm excited to try and feel like they're opening up some new kind of gameplay.

Meh I played a new deck almost for all classes and did fine when the last exp launched. Sure Druid was the strongest, but that's always the case with one class and new cards.

I had so much fun with the early Raza priest lists and expect to have at least few new decks with this launch as well.
 

Keyser S

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Oct 26, 2017
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I really hope there is some magical card shown today that will grant a weapon immunity for at least one turn. Otherwise I am going to feel sad if I open any Legendary Weapon from a pack - other than maybe Mage (seems good) or Druid (seems fun/interesting)
 

DSP

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Oct 25, 2017
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look at that warrior leg weapon then look at Kathrena, people say hunter is getting the worst cards. Hunter is going to be tier 2 easy, just watch.
 

Boddy

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Oct 25, 2017
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That cards seems horrible or at the very least, very highroll dependent.
I don't think any warrior deck can get away with not playing several of 2-4 mana minions.
 

sibarraz

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Oct 27, 2017
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Do you guys think that I could build at least 1 decent deck without spending a dime and only being able to get at best 15 packs?

I have all the competitive cards and decks for all clases except priest, warrior and paladin (and have no intention of playing with them since I already golden'd them)
 

fertygo

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Oct 25, 2017
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look at that warrior leg weapon then look at Kathrena, people say hunter is getting the worst cards. Hunter is going to be tier 2 easy, just watch.
That weapon is better than Kat. At least in how warrior can utilize it better

Dead man fat warrior seem like real deck than whatever big deck that hunter can came up with.
 

zoukka

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Do you guys think that I could build at least 1 decent deck without spending a dime and only being able to get at best 15 packs?

I have all the competitive cards and decks for all clases except priest, warrior and paladin (and have no intention of playing with them since I already golden'd them)

Pretty easily. Face decks don't require many cards and will always be viable.
 

Karsticles

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Oct 25, 2017
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That Warrior weapon is as boring as the Shaman and Warlock weapons. Very disappointing.

I think it's a side effect of how early these cards go into development.

This time next year we may be talking about how the cards Hunter has been getting are stupidly good.
They receive tuning up to release. Hence why the website actually got two cards wrong.

Let me explain why kingsbane has no place in mill rogue. You don't want to run poisons.

And what is the real upside there to kingsbane in mill anyway? You don't die to fatigue because of shadowblade. What match up does kingsbane improve? Taking damage for value trades doesn't exactly help much.

I think arguably striders isn't even a good choice either. Actually, I am pretty certain it doesn't fit even though you have plenty of draw, the 4/4s doesn't really help towards your game plan. It's better than beneath the grounds, which of course is useless in mill.
I was thinking more about the heal and control aspect. I am not sure about the 4/4s not helping. The biggest problem Mill Rogue has is losing the board because Rogue lacks options in that area. I am not inclined to think it will be good, but I think I need to try it. Otherwise I will focus on Evasion as my key card.

That weapon is better than Kat. At least in how warrior can utilize it better

Dead man fat warrior seem like real deck than whatever big deck that hunter can came up with.
I don't think you can play DMH with with recruit. You need to control what you DMH, and recruit will pull things you don't want it to like N'Zoth or key battle cry cards.
 

zoukka

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Oct 28, 2017
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Token druid is aggro and some zoo lists as well. Murloc pally can end games very fast by going face. Hunter ends games very fast if they curve out. Face/aggro decks will always survive.
 

fertygo

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think you can play DMH with with recruit. You need to control what you DMH, and recruit will pull things you don't want it to like N'Zoth or key battle cry cards.
well you dont play n-zoth then

The Idea that floating around is to put back your minion that your draw early with dead man so your recruit card not became useless and you still hold that minion in hand. Extra value.
 

DSP

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think there is quite a bit against big warrior actually...

The earliest you can cheat something out is turn 6, you basically need to hit a 1 for 2 with it or else it's not good enough, basically Yshaarj. Their legendary can fizzle out easily if you don't have the armor, you basically need to play cheaper minions for it to work consistently and that makes your other recruit cards worse. After this you can't play anything else until 8... That just seems too slow. You need to play quite a few 8+ drops for this to work and be able to outvalue other decks in the game like priest, that's easily going to brick....

Big priest works because it's controllable and the train starts from turn 4. Shadow visions is insane card in that deck and priest can rez, warrior has none of that. You can't control DMH, it's far too slow too compared with other big decks. If leg weapons are meta, your weapon is just going to give you one recruit. Don't expect any more from that.

Hunter deck can start rolling since turn 5 and hunter can actually end games with their hero power. Hunter also has stitched tracker and their recruit is controllable. They have worse removals but if you're the aggressor in the meta game trying to target control deck, it doesn't matter. Can't win them all. Hunter deck could be junk too but I think it's more promising and does something different. Big warrior is just a lesser inferior version of big priest, why bother
 
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