Here are some notes I made while listening, I'll follow it up with my thoughts on it.
Brandon believes you should engage with everyone whether they agree with you or not. Even if you disagree you should still try and understand why they feel the way they do. Different communities will have different definitions of L&R and it can be difficult to come to a consensus.
For Brandon L&R more and more means showing patience. He doesn't want to vilify something if there is more to learn or understand. Brandon views people leaving the community as part of the learning process.
Brandon is willing to try anything to make everyone happy, including apologizing even if he didn't mean to cause the issue. Colin mentioned that if what he said wasn't intended to offend then it doesn't matter if it does offend people, that's their problem. Brandon says that his original intention is only part of it and you need to engage and learn why your words may have cause offense.
Brandon feels like he is at a point in his career where he is ready to be roasted by the community and if so will learn from the experience. EZA is talking internally about how to deal with their individual and collective views moving forward. He thinks his appearance with Colin has opened a dialogue that he looks forward to engaging in.
Brandon instantly agreed to the show with Colin because he had worked with him before professionally and it was fine then.
Brandon recognizes that there is a lot of crossover between his and Colin's communities.
Colin mentions that he would love to work with Brandon going forward and also instantly responds that might not sit well with the EZA community before Brandon can really respond.
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Honestly I don't feel like this was a great look for Jones, it wasn't quite as bad as that summary a couple of days ago appeared, but he definitely framed the issue as simply disagreement on both sides that could be resolved. The bashing of Reset Era and those who didn't want Brandon to appear with Colin came exclusively from Colin. Though again, since Brandon constantly mentions that he wants to view issues from both sides, it's impossible to really know his stance on anything he talked about. He isn't like Boogie who says that and then immediately follows up by going on a regressive tirade. I think he genuinely (and naively) wants to learn from them and work past those problems.
That is the luxury people like Brandon (and I include myself in this) have. We aren't the target so it's easy to sit back and say we should try to understand where the hate is coming from. I feel like that is really shitty towards those who have to experience the hatred firsthand. Colin continually states that he is not racist, transphobic, or sexist and that as long as his words aren't intended to hurt, they are fine and it's the problem of the person offended. I feel like that should set off a massive alarm for anyone who actually has compassion for other people. It reminds me of the arguments I've heard from others that it is fine to use a certain homophobic slur because when they grew up it had nothing to do with homosexuality, it just meant you were an asshole.
Jones disagreed with Colin on that point, but is that enough? Is it enough to say to someone who hurt and continues to hurt marginalized people because his words "weren't intended to offend" that I disagree? I don't think it is.
While Jones didn't say a collaboration would happen, the rest of the conversation made me think that he wouldn't really mind if it did. I'll still continue to follow EZA for now, but to say I'm disappointed would be an understatement. I'll save my money for other communities.