Easy Allies |OT| The New Era

So after watching Huber Syndrome, I tried buying Cat Quest physical copy off Amazon....wtf. It released 2 weeks ago and it already rare???

Good thing Walmart.com has it for $20 so I grabbed it from there. Free shipping too.

Also, picking up Battle Chasers with Best Buys Buy 1 Get 1 50% off next week. Not sure what to pair it with...

First of all, I didn't hear anything about Jones being okay with 'ruffling feathers'. Maybe I missed something. My takeaway from it was that Jones is okay with being 'roasted' by the community, because he thinks it's possible to learn from it and he's grateful for the support on patreon, so it's a small price to pay in his opinion.

Jones tried to challenge Colin on a few points, such as how to deal with someone being offended by something you did/said even if you don't see your behaviour as offensive. However it felt pretty disingenuous when they were talking about how no matter what you do someone will be offended, since Colin clearly doesn't care whether he offends people with his behaviour or not. Despite Jones challenging Colin on some issues (basically being more diplomatic and trying to reach an understanding with others instead of being dismissive), it was pretty disappointing to see Colin throw a huge pity party about how he was defamed and vilified, and to not be challenged at all on how he behaved during the whole ordeal. And apparently we held our wallet like a gun to Jones' head, but Jones countered that by saying he's proud of everyone who left. I can sympathise to an extent since Jones isn't a confrontational person, and he was a guest on his podcast, but it's pretty sad that those issues haven't been addressed by Jones at all the past week or so.

I think listening to the podcast, it doesn't come across as harshly as the summary, and it probably went as well as you could realistically expect. One thing I will say though is that it's unreal listening to how wildly different their attitudes are. Jones is certainly the more mature and well adjusted individual, to put it lightly.

Here are some notes I made while listening, I'll follow it up with my thoughts on it.

Brandon believes you should engage with everyone whether they agree with you or not. Even if you disagree you should still try and understand why they feel the way they do. Different communities will have different definitions of L&R and it can be difficult to come to a consensus.

For Brandon L&R more and more means showing patience. He doesn't want to vilify something if there is more to learn or understand. Brandon views people leaving the community as part of the learning process.

Brandon is willing to try anything to make everyone happy, including apologizing even if he didn't mean to cause the issue. Colin mentioned that if what he said wasn't intended to offend then it doesn't matter if it does offend people, that's their problem. Brandon says that his original intention is only part of it and you need to engage and learn why your words may have cause offense.

Brandon feels like he is at a point in his career where he is ready to be roasted by the community and if so will learn from the experience. EZA is talking internally about how to deal with their individual and collective views moving forward. He thinks his appearance with Colin has opened a dialogue that he looks forward to engaging in.

Brandon instantly agreed to the show with Colin because he had worked with him before professionally and it was fine then.

Brandon recognizes that there is a lot of crossover between his and Colin's communities.

Colin mentions that he would love to work with Brandon going forward and also instantly responds that might not sit well with the EZA community before Brandon can really respond.

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Honestly I don't feel like this was a great look for Jones, it wasn't quite as bad as that summary a couple of days ago appeared, but he definitely framed the issue as simply disagreement on both sides that could be resolved. The bashing of Reset Era and those who didn't want Brandon to appear with Colin came exclusively from Colin. Though again, since Brandon constantly mentions that he wants to view issues from both sides, it's impossible to really know his stance on anything he talked about. He isn't like Boogie who says that and then immediately follows up by going on a regressive tirade. I think he genuinely (and naively) wants to learn from them and work past those problems.

That is the luxury people like Brandon (and I include myself in this) have. We aren't the target so it's easy to sit back and say we should try to understand where the hate is coming from. I feel like that is really shitty towards those who have to experience the hatred firsthand. Colin continually states that he is not racist, transphobic, or sexist and that as long as his words aren't intended to hurt, they are fine and it's the problem of the person offended. I feel like that should set off a massive alarm for anyone who actually has compassion for other people. It reminds me of the arguments I've heard from others that it is fine to use a certain homophobic slur because when they grew up it had nothing to do with homosexuality, it just meant you were an asshole.

Jones disagreed with Colin on that point, but is that enough? Is it enough to say to someone who hurt and continues to hurt marginalized people because his words "weren't intended to offend" that I disagree? I don't think it is.

While Jones didn't say a collaboration would happen, the rest of the conversation made me think that he wouldn't really mind if it did. I'll still continue to follow EZA for now, but to say I'm disappointed would be an understatement. I'll save my money for other communities.

Dineren man you nailed it. It was especially laughable when Colin said something like the people who wanted this outnumber those who didn't 25 to 1. Unless he's mainly looking at his own Patreon's comments, I sincerely doubt that.

Toon Link said:

One thing I will say though is that it's unreal listening to how wildly different their attitudes are. Jones is certainly the more mature and well adjusted individual, to put it lightly.

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"Unreal" is exactly the right word for this. Listening to this, it's exceptionally hard to believe someone like Jones being friends with someone like Colin.

RexNovis said:

I know I'm a bit late to this conversation (I've been catching up slowly this week) but I'm really uncomfortable with the way the community's concerns and questions about CM were handled. Unless I see a follow up to address things I'll likely be dropping my Patreon support down a tier or two until we get one. It really does seem like large parts of the community were either summarily ignored or disregarded and that is not at all what I've come to expect from EZA. It's both disappointing and a bit disheartening to see.

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Yeah, people who wanted the Allies to play Peach Beach Splash literally got more of an explanation than people here.

Eza podcast is public btw

Dineren said:

Colin continually states that he is not racist, transphobic, or sexist and that as long as his words aren't intended to hurt, they are fine and it's the problem of the person offended.

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Yeah that's a silly attitude. That's not how it works. If I accidentally hit someone with my bike, I can't just say "well I didn't mean to hit you so clearly it's your fault for getting hurt/standing in the way!"
If you didn't intend any harm but caused it anyway you accept responsibility like an adult and say sorry.
Hate when people are like that. =/

Final Tabeltop was great. I love when it gets off the rails a bit, just makes it feel like people hanging out having a good time. They deserve a rest, especially Ben, and I can't wait for season 2 next year.

So what's up with the lighting in the podcast? I swear it's regressed after briefly being better/more colorful.

Silfer said:

Dineren man you nailed it. It was especially laughable when Colin said something like the people who wanted this outnumber those who didn't 25 to 1. Unless he's mainly looking at his own Patreon's comments, I sincerely doubt that.

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Well, he was crowing about how positive the response has been when it was only available to his patrons so I wouldn't be surprised. I honestly don't know what the split is like here, though I believe him when he says that there is a large overlap in communities.

Anyway, I'm going to take a break from this thread, I used to only post in the old EZA thread every 1000 10000 posts or so anyway. I ended up posting a lot more than I usually do since Colin's actions in the past have infuriated me so much that it was really depressing to see that someone from one of the few streaming groups I feel comfortable watching was going on his show. Sorry to anyone if I was a bit disruptive.

Tetsujin said:

So what's up with the lighting in the podcast? I swear it's regressed after briefly being better/more colorful.

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The "more colorful" was simply a matter of the white balance being slightly off.

Dineren said:

Well, he was crowing about how positive the response has been when it was only available to his patrons so I wouldn't be surprised. I honestly don't know what the split is like here, though I believe him when he says that there is a large overlap in communities.

Anyway, I'm going to take a break from this thread, I used to only post in the old EZA thread every 1000 posts or so anyway. I ended up posting a lot more than I usually do since Colin's actions in the past have infuriated me so much that it was really depressing to see that someone from one of the few streaming groups I feel comfortable watching was going on his show. Sorry to anyone if I was a bit disruptive.

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I think Jones said the split was more like 60/40 (I think it was in the CoJ episode).

Also, thanks for your contributions to the thread.

Thanks for the summaries everyone. I'm glad that previous one wasn't entirely accurate, it does sound like the things that bothered me the most from that weren't quite right.

There's still plenty that does bother me though, like Jones' avoidance of challenging Colin's actions, but I already knew that wasn't going to happen from the CoJ. Sounds like he said similar things during the actual podcast. I wish he hadn't appeared, or at least that he had been more outspoken, but at least none of what actually went down is too surprising at this point...

I can't deny the way Jones handled this entire situation reflects badly on him to me. I'm the most disappointed with how Jones handled the Cup the Jones, the way he avoided some community concerns there hurt me the most. I can't say I don't believe he means well, I really think Jones is a good person. But man, his stance here is just naive to me. I don't know how close Jones and Colin actually are nowadays and how much this is affecting Jones' approach, but an attitude like that can be quite hurtful to the people who have been affected by Colin's actions and people like him. I know it is to me. And that especially sucks since I really felt like that was the kind of thing EZA absolutely didn't tolerate. I guess I just need to lower my expectations from now on. But I feel like I should be able to expect more from folks like Jones with a platform. It just matters more.

I can move on for now, but man. I don't mean to sound dramatic here but as a queer person I'm affected by CM's brand of dismissal far too often, and yeah, EZA has been a "safe space" of sorts to me. And now it doesn't really feel way anymore. It does make make me sad thinking about it.

Jone's isn't naive, and he did take a stance whether you want to acknowledge it or not. he read the comments, saw what you all had to say, and disagreed.

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Anyway, I'm going to take a break from this thread. Sorry to anyone if I was a bit disruptive.

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you should stick around and post more often. would be a shame to only hang around here when its so tense.

Joqu said:

I can move on for now, but man. I don't mean to sound dramatic here but as a queer person I'm affected by CM's brand of dismissal far too often, and yeah, EZA has been a "safe space" of sorts to me. And now it doesn't really feel way anymore. It does make make me sad thinking about it.

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While I can't tell you how to feel about this and I am truly sorry you do feel less safe in the community, I am not sure that this podcast will effectively have an influence on the EZA community itself as far as how they treat people goes. As long as he keeps his twitter hounds away from EZA's community members, I don't think it will be this much of a different then a month ago. I hope I am not wrong about this, but I still think that the large majority of people in this community are not racists/sexist and if some of them are, I don't think I have seen them attack people for their race or sex.

Btw, I am not talking about youtube, there are assholes on all youtube channels and I don't count them as the community (I mean, some of them certainly are, but you can't make those type of comments go away on youtube, so yeah). It is possible I am wrong as I have not been that active outside of this thread and the old forum, but I do read some of the Patreon comments as well.
I hope this trust will be recovered for you as it sucks to lose that feeling.

dickroach said:

Jone's isn't naive, and he did take a stance whether you want to acknowledge it or not. he read the comments, saw what you all had to say, and disagreed.

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well said.

Roberto Larcos said:

Yeah, people who wanted the Allies to play Peach Beach Splash literally got more of an explanation than people here.

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LMAO, seriously. The people who demanded EZA stream their favourite boobies game and threw tantrums when they were shot down got treated with more openness and respect than the people who were concerned EZA was associating with one of the most divisive people in the industry and his extremely toxic following. What a joke.

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Jone's isn't naive, and he did take a stance whether you want to acknowledge it or not. he read the comments, saw what you all had to say, and disagreed.

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Wanting to view issues from both sides when you're dealing with issues like bigotry is pretty naive to me, sorry. Jones might not feel like that's what he's dealing with, but I do. I'm not saying he's naive in general, I don't know that, but in this instance I feel like he is.

And he absolutely avoided taking a stance on Colin's specific actions. Plenty of people sent in concerns about those. He gave us some general statements in the latest CoJ, talked about people's fears regarding CM's community, but there were things he avoided. Obviously Jones making the decisions he has says plenty, but I wanted to hear things from Jones' mouth even if they might have been opinions I disagreed with. And it doesn't sound like his podcast appearance changed that.

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I hope this trust will be recovered for you as it sucks to lose that feeling.

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Thanks. You're right, I don't think the community will change that drastically over this one instance. But honestly, I've never considered EZA's to be a perfect community anyway, I think that'd be unreasonable. I've seen plenty of questionable stuff over time and that's ignoring the YouTube comments. But that has been okay, Easy Allies has just been a thing I've felt more comfortable with than usual because of the positive message I feel EZA has stood for. This isn't that to me, so it just feels more like any other community now. Ah well.

well i just finished it. my thoughts on what moriarty said echo a lot of what other posters have written, so i'll just cosign that. instead what i will say is what i hope to see jones / eza do moving forward. one would be to find better and more ways for the allies to have meaningful and productive conversations with the audience. knowing that there are members of the community out there like Joqu who feel alienated really hurts and i hope it's on the minds of the allies on how to address anyone who feels that way. i think cup of jones can work for many of the questions received, but it seems like the last one failed, for some of the audience, in adequately dealing with this instance. so i do hope the feedback about people feeling ignored and belief that issues, such as harassment, weren't properly addressed do get talked about in a more meaningful manner. i understand that each person in the group has a lot on their plate especially considering the specific time commitment everyone makes. still, i don't think occurrences like this will be going away in the future and if trends keep up the way they've been going will likely only become more pronounced. i'm sure that this has been on their mind as well, but i would like to see an acknowledgement of the issue and whatever plans they have going forward.

Joqu said:

Wanting to view issues from both sides when you're dealing with issues like bigotry is pretty naive to me, sorry. Jones might not feel like that's what he's dealing with, but I do.

And he absolutely avoided taking a stance on Colin's specific actions. Plenty of people sent in concerns about those. He gave us some general statements in the latest CoJ, talked about people's fears regarding CM's community, but there were things he avoided. Obviously Jones making the decisions he has says plenty, but I wanted to hear things from Jones' mouth even if they might have been opinions I disagreed with. And it doesn't sound like his podcast appearance changed that.

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so if Jones said something like "I don't think the comments he's made are hateful comments and I don't think he's a bigot," you'd be happier? I'm not buying it.

Silfer said:

Dineren man you nailed it. It was especially laughable when Colin said something like the people who wanted this outnumber those who didn't 25 to 1. Unless he's mainly looking at his own Patreon's comments, I sincerely doubt that.

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I absolutely think Colin is right that the people who wanted this outnumber those 25 to 1. Just look at everyone on the past page trying to brush this under the rug, or ignore it, because they're "just here for the video games". It's just a more focused microcosm of people who don't want their good time interrupted by protests and taking a knee. I guess this is what a "cult of personality" means.

ourghostsofwar said:

I absolutely think Colin is right that the people who wanted this outnumber those 25 to 1. Just look at everyone on the past page trying to brush this under the rug, or ignore it, because they're "just here for the video games". It's just a more focused microcosm of people who don't want their good time interrupted by protests and taking a knee. I guess this is what a "cult of personality" means.

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The last page is filled with people who have been discussing this issue at length, though. We weren't brushing it under the carpet by discussing general EZA stuff for a bit.

Two of my favorite people in the industry; so very glad Brandon went along with this. A very enjoyable hour.

L&R.

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Two of my favorite people in the industry; so very glad Brandon went along with this. A very enjoyable hour.

L&R.

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The last page is filled with people who have been discussing this issue at length, though. We weren't brushing it under the carpet by discussing general EZA stuff for a bit.

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I rest my case.

dickroach said:

so if Jones said something like "I don't think the comments he's made are hateful comments and I don't think he's a bigot," you'd be happier? I'm not buying it.

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Happier wouldn't be the right word, no. But it would have been more honest than avoiding the matter. And I certainly don't think I'm happier now.

It's not just about the comments by the way, with actions I also meant stuff like Colin Moriarty sending his follower mob to a member of the community. I really thought Jones was going to address that because it concerned EZA, but he didn't. I'd like to think it's something he at least discussed with Colin privately since they're on friendly terms, but how can I know? It really felt like something Jones needed to talk about with the community to me.

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I rest my case.

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there's no way ShooterMcGavin is 25 people

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there's no way ShooterMcGavin is 25 people

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From what I saw on Patreon, most people were supportive. Jones' twitter feed was mostly the same. Like I said earlier, I can't blame Jones. People wanted this. The Patreon is holding strong as well going into the new month. At this point, I absolutely expect more collabs with Colin in the future.

RexNovis said:

I know I'm a bit late to this conversation (I've been catching up slowly this week) but I'm really uncomfortable with the way the community's concerns and questions about CM were handled. Unless I see a follow up to address things I'll likely be dropping my Patreon support down a tier or two until we get one. It really does seem like large parts of the community were either summarily ignored or disregarded and that is not at all what I've come to expect from EZA. It's both disappointing and a bit disheartening to see.

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Have you listened to the podcast jones was on? He has stated his and EZA's position on how it will handle things, at least to a certain extent. It's not much but he has acknowledged the way the community responded and actually said he's proud if you disagree and drop support.

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Have you listened to the podcast jones was on? He has stated his and EZA's position on how it will handle things, at least to a certain extent. It's not much but he has acknowledged the way the community responded and actually said he's proud if you disagree and drop support.

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Brandon Jones is the John Cena of EZA.

ourghostsofwar said:

I absolutely think Colin is right that the people who wanted this outnumber those 25 to 1. Just look at everyone on the past page trying to brush this under the rug, or ignore it, because they're "just here for the video games". It's just a more focused microcosm of people who don't want their good time interrupted by protests and taking a knee. I guess this is what a "cult of personality" means.

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I don't agree that people who are just here for the video games necessarily think racism/sexism isn't an issue and want to brush those thing under the rug. Some people just don't like like to deal with drama because they watch EZA to relax after a hard day of work.
I know that for some people here that is the same as saying those things don't matter, but it isn't necessarily so for those people. I usually don't like discussing things like this because it gets me angry (I hate not being able to fix a problem), it gets me tired (because I keep discussing until 4 am) and it takes away a lot of my time I could spend playing video games. I am also not 100% perfectly equipped to have discussions over these topics because I usually don't come into contact with racism/sexism and there is a big chance I will make an ass of myself.

That doesn't mean I condone it or try to say it doesn't exist.

I did however discuss it this time because I really love EZA en being in this community and I wanted to let people know my side of the coin which is different from some other people here. I don't think it is fair to say people who don't speak up or don't want to discuss stuff like this don't care about these issues (some of them surely don't, but I think most of them do). I think the fact that this discussion is going on for so many pages proves that's not the case.

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I didn't care that much that Brandon went on the podcast either (although I would not have done it myself, like I said before). But I don't want to brush those issues under the rug as they are serious issues, so I don't see your point. It is not because you are supportive of Jones going on some podcast of somebody who looks like a racist asshole that you agree with racism/sexism. I am also sure that not all people who said stuff like that are fans of CM. There are only a few of them that I spotted here and to be honest, for the most part I didn't see that many crazily insane comments. Also, I am not convinced that all CM fans (which I am not) are racist/sexist either.

But I don't want to start this whole thing again. I am sorry if I did, but I can't stand being called a racist/sexist just because I think a little different on some parts of this topic then some of the more outspoken members here. Because that's not who I am.

I have a few questions for everyone.

A lot of people keep bringing up colin singling our people who say bogus things, thus bringing the wrath of his followers. While i agree this isn't the classiest of movies, do people who aren't famous have any more of a right to harass famous people? Celebrities/more prominent people get mean shit said to them all the time. Why shouldn't they be allowed to respond? Reap what you sow.


Other issue:
A lot of people take issue with colin singling out people because "they don't represent the community. "

However those same people are so quick to talk about how toxic Colin's community is, rather than acknowledging they're just actually talking about bad seeds. Why are you allowed to generalize about his community while criticizing him generalizing yours?


It's complete hypocrisy.

DrMario said:

I have a few questions for everyone.

A lot of people keep bringing up colin singling our people who say bogus things, thus bringing the wrath of his followers. While i agree this isn't the classiest of movies, do people who aren't famous have any more of a right to harass famous people? Celebrities/more prominent people get mean shit said to them all the time. Why shouldn't they be allowed to respond? Reap what you sow.


Other issue:
A lot of people take issue with colin singling out people because "they don't represent the community. "

However those same people are so quick to talk about how toxic Colin's community is, rather than acknowledging they're just actually talking about bad seeds. Why are you allowed to generalize about his community while criticizing him generalizing yours?


It's complete hypocrisy.

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No one was harassing him. The tweet wasn't directed to him at all, they only mentioned Jones.

Sephiroth said:

So after watching Huber Syndrome, I tried buying Cat Quest physical copy off Amazon....wtf. It released 2 weeks ago and it already rare???

Good thing Walmart.com has it for $20 so I grabbed it from there. Free shipping too.

Also, picking up Battle Chasers with Best Buys Buy 1 Get 1 50% off next week. Not sure what to pair it with...

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I have no idea when I'll be able to play Battle Chasers, so I'm holding off until an opportunity appears. Got real happy Huber hyped Hand of Fate though, it's a nice game and I like how it plays out its narrative.

Think im gonna give the hangout a rest for awhile.

Joqu said:

Mandatory Update was pretty great huh? I need to get around to watching some more of that

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Man Up was probably the most underrated production on GT, so much great adlib and funny skits.

I mean, Mandatory Update even gave us best gaming musical there is! (Ian apparently wrote like whole thing lol)

I personally feel for Jones as his action has put him in between a rock and a hard place. People raise concerns that he's opening a pathway to toxicity, and if he backs down others will claim he was forced to with 'a gun to his head'. Then after he goes on and states he's willing to take the hits to learn and grow is what I was hoping for and made my respect for him grow. Being a fan of both Colin and Jones I was actually surprised by this collaboration even after his two appearances on the Gameovergreggy show. It was a nice chat and I hope for future guest appearances.
I actually don't believe in the 25 to 1 in favor statistic. Jones said it was more like 60/40 and while on the community as as whole I believe the truth lies in the middle.

ourghostsofwar said:

From what I saw on Patreon, most people were supportive. Jones' twitter feed was mostly the same. Like I said earlier, I can't blame Jones. People wanted this. The Patreon is holding strong as well going into the new month. At this point, I absolutely expect more collabs with Colin in the future.

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The crossover between the two audiences is huge according to my anecdotal observation. Last year Greg mention how surprised he was to the big audience crossover between KF & EZA.

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The crossover between the two audiences is huge according to my anecdotal observation. Last year Greg mention how surprised he was to the big audience crossover between KF & EZA.

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Who else do you think keeps attacking Ian?

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Who else do you think keeps attacking Ian?

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Well YouTube comments is shitty for everyone.

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Man Up was probably the most underrated production on GT, so much great adlib and funny skits.

I mean, Mandatory Update even gave us best gaming musical there is! (Ian apparently wrote like whole thing lol)

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Ah yeah, that's one I already watched before. So fun.

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That's because such comments would have gotten instant bans on GAF, ERA, and Patreon. The crossover fans can make a million new youtube accounts and keep attacking Ian. That's why his tweets really made me rethink how I want to handle disputes and arguments because if he can deal with that in a positive, so should I.

Table Top Escapades was great. A well earned hiatus.

LiquidSolid said:

LMAO, seriously. The people who demanded EZA stream their favourite boobies game and threw tantrums when they were shot down got treated with more openness and respect than the people who were concerned EZA was associating with one of the most divisive people in the industry and his extremely toxic following. What a joke.

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Priorities.

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That's because such comments would have gotten instant bans on GAF, ERA, and Patreon. The crossover fans can make a million new youtube accounts and keep attacking Ian. That's why his tweets really made me rethink how I want to handle disputes and arguments because if he can deal with that in a positive, so should I.

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I'm sorry this is happening but you have no proof to your claim. I am a crossover fan. I find those YouTube comments henious. Don't generalize an entire section of the fan base plz

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That's because such comments would have gotten instant bans on GAF, ERA, and Patreon. The crossover fans can make a million new youtube accounts and keep attacking Ian. That's why his tweets really made me rethink how I want to handle disputes and arguments because if he can deal with that in a positive, so should I.

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We have no evidence of that and it seems he was getting attacked far before this whole Colin thing. Honestly, it doesn't matter who the audience that are attacking Ian are, they are just fucking shitty & toxic. My point was that there is big crossover, hence the excitement for the Colin & Jones Collaboration on Reddit, Twitter, FB, etc.

Video game communities are generally bad and toxic. It's why people made a new website for this community when the old one became unusable.

DrMario said:

I have a few questions for everyone.

A lot of people keep bringing up colin singling our people who say bogus things, thus bringing the wrath of his followers. While i agree this isn't the classiest of movies, do people who aren't famous have any more of a right to harass famous people? Celebrities/more prominent people get mean shit said to them all the time. Why shouldn't they be allowed to respond? Reap what you sow.


Other issue:
A lot of people take issue with colin singling out people because "they don't represent the community. "

However those same people are so quick to talk about how toxic Colin's community is, rather than acknowledging they're just actually talking about bad seeds. Why are you allowed to generalize about his community while criticizing him generalizing yours?


It's complete hypocrisy.

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Who are you trying to fool with this disingenuous bullshit? You've already shown your true colours in this thread just a couple days ago. Go ignore facts and reason and scream "extremist leftists" like a Fox News host somewhere else.

Sorry to dig something so old up, but it's really been bothering me since I saw it. And now with this Colin controversy and the discussion how Allies react and handle delicate issues like this, I think I can finally bring it up since it's somewhat related. But wasn't one of the trailers in the last TGS racist as fuck? I'm pretty sure Damiani got it, he seemed very uncomfortable and called it questionable. But I think none of the others catched it. Isn't that character a hurtful stereotype of black people, I mean he even turns into an afro wig just to add an insult to the injury. I don't think anyone in the EZA thread noted it at the time. But what the fuck, am I overreacting? Or are people, even Americans just so blind to this stuff? The character reminds me of a logo that was used for certain brand of liquorice in Finland, until it understandably was removed. I don't think there was any backlash to Sony from this, or I just missed it. It really has been bothering me.