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Star Citizen Alpha 3.3.0 | Thread Title Delayed Until 3.3.5
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For those poking about in the PTU I had a question about how "intuitive" the game is... like can you share some thoughts on the learning curve for 3.0 say for someone that has never played the game before? I know they have the "thought bubble" system in place, or whatever that's called, but is that enough to get by, or do you also need to know the majority of the key binds and that sort of thing?
Thank you in advance for any replies if I don't get the chance to reply until after work tomorrow.
Thank you in advance for any replies if I don't get the chance to reply until after work tomorrow.
Finally finished a mission to give them some mission data feedback. Took 6 tries through all the disconnects, but I got it.
They should hire me for going through the hit to my sanity. :D
If they can fix the disconnects, we should be ready for release. Everything else is working a lot better than first release.
They should hire me for going through the hit to my sanity. :D
If they can fix the disconnects, we should be ready for release. Everything else is working a lot better than first release.
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The default key binds for keyboard and mouse need some work, but there aren't that many you need for just going around exploring.
There have been a few requests to change the "inner thought" behavior to activate the default action when F is tapped, and just use holding F for when you need to show the other options to select less frequently used actions. Always holding F and clicking is a bit cumbersome, but it works.
F5 is a handy shortcut to start up the ship.
Alt+F to get out.
Edit: actually it's probably better to check out this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hStCa-ugtu0
Easier to just see some things in action for the basics.
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There is an in-game hint system that popups and explains various things to you during the game, so it'll give you hints on keybinds, etc. Generally if you point and hold F at anything, you'll be given a list of options that are really as self explanatory as they can get. Like Raticus said, Alt+F is a good shortcut for getting out of seats, you can also look right/left and hold F and click. Pressing F5 skips you having to turn individual items on and lets your ship go right into flight ready. Generally, if you look over the keybinds and follow the in-game hints you should be more than fine, and with 50 players per server now, just ask the chat for help if you're stuck with something and they'll be happy to help you in most cases.
Don't tease us like that! To those in at the moment how is it after the most recent patches, better? Do they still have individual items / systems to implement to the first wave folks before pushing through to public or is it just about stability and major bugs in the current build then they will push through?
Loaded up the game for the first time before PU, holy shit at that server performance. Then I jumped into the hangar and it was golden. Is there any hope of them wrangling the server performance even remotely soon? Soon as in next few months etc. What's the priority?
It is definitely on the horizon if not soon. One of the main components I know that will help is the object container streamer. I think it is slated for 3.1 along with other network items. Some people seem to be getting locked 30 in the 3.0 build at the moment too so just seems all over the shop.
So someone loads up the biggest ship currently flyable and the server struggles as it loads all the assets + sends the data out to all 50 clients rather than a distance based resource system or what?
That is my (limited) understanding of how object container streaming would work in terms of network. Seems like once that is implemented it would be a massive load taken off the server, but I don't know exactly how it all works. Last reports show it due for 3.1 and refer to it as:
- Object Container Streaming Core Engine Support
Its the top priority for networking and engine team.
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Yep, i think the voxel based asteroids will come out with mining tech. 3.1 or 3.2 is probably a good guess.
That was an issue before PTU was released Last month. They fixed it in an episode of bugsmashers. So I don't think that is an issue anymore.
I think the main issue right now with the servers is that you receive the data from every single players movements on the map, whether you can acually see them or not, wich bottelenecks the CPU heavily.
Would the data received be only from a "small" bubble around the player (and i think they are working on it), the perfs would be much better for the client.
Would the data received be only from a "small" bubble around the player (and i think they are working on it), the perfs would be much better for the client.
I just posted the video. That was something taken care of weeks before it went to PTU. There is alot more added in comparison to 2.6. So the performance issue could be related to the many additional elements and systems. I think if it is something as obvious as player movement and ship updates within a certain radius they saw to it already. (they have tested up to 100 people in an instance so it seems that player movement isn't the issue there)
My performance tanked at Levski in comparison to other spots and no other player was there. I am guessing this might be more NPC related. If it was something as player updates no matter where you were on a server then no matter where you went in stanton your performance would tank evenly. Stanton is one unified area.
Boss pointed out similar issues as well.
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If you go and use the offline mode you can test this rather easily to show it is the NPC tick update.
For one, your frametime tanks to about 50 ms once every second:
Secondly, the frametime normalises when you go into the menu. Going in to the menu stops the game time, and presumably the AI update, yet keeps rendering the game. So the currently blocker to performance, IMO, from such rudimentary guess testing seems to be AI performance, and not the amount of draw calls.
Thanks for verifying. I was making observations of where the performance was tanking and the NPC's was the common thread I was finding especially since Levski has a metric ton of them across multiple levels. They need to fix that and the LOD issue with the planets and I will be a bit happier on that regard.
I don't follow this game close enough to know every detail about it, but I'm a huge fan of the project and it's insane scope. I'm really
cheering for it succeed.
That said, I don't own the platform to run the game, and don't have the intention to buy it in the future.
I know that lock the game in the PC was a decision the ensure the game won't be held back by the hardware of the current consoles, and have the team focused on only one platform makes everything faster demanding less money resourcess.
So, I have a question for those who are more aware of the project details: Is there any specific reason that prevents CIG from releasing the final game on an eventual PS5, assuming the console would be powerful enough to run the game without compromises?
cheering for it succeed.
That said, I don't own the platform to run the game, and don't have the intention to buy it in the future.
I know that lock the game in the PC was a decision the ensure the game won't be held back by the hardware of the current consoles, and have the team focused on only one platform makes everything faster demanding less money resourcess.
So, I have a question for those who are more aware of the project details: Is there any specific reason that prevents CIG from releasing the final game on an eventual PS5, assuming the console would be powerful enough to run the game without compromises?
The other limitation of consoles would be their platform holders in strict network/patching policies.
Squadron 42 would be probably easier for CIG to launch on future consoles than Star Citizen.
Burn down segments were slated to detail release to PTU. Since 3.0 has been released to PTU I don't think we will get that delivery type again.
That is probably why we still see more MMO's on PC than we see on consoles to this day. Even if PS5 gets more powerful I am not sure by the time the game is out and optimized that GPU and CPU will be the only concern. I wouldn't be surprised if Ram becomes an issue as well. TBH I am surprised at how far behind the CPU's of the consoles are. I don't know what to expect in next generation of consoles.
I'd assume they would continue since 3.0 isn't fully released and people will be on their back if they didn't let them know what bugs were found and what remain
Now that I think of it, Maybe you are right. People will want to know more until it is actually in their hands. Maybe it will com back after the sale but this is leading up to the holiday stream. maybe one burndown before the stream.
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Yeah, that could be a problemn. I hope they find a way because I would like to play this game in the future on a console. Releasing on consoles would also brings lots of money to help fund even more content to the game's universe.
Not sure that will happen because the sole purpose of funding this game and other comments that Chris has made. And funding isn't a problem as far as we can tell.
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/76653/star-citizen-pc-ps4-and-consoles
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After it actually releases I'm sure it could come to the consoles that come after the then current generation. When it's mostly feature complete and additional expansions/content wouldn't really increase the hardware specs required all that much, only offer cool new/different shit that are however similarly demanding to what will have come before by then. Maybe it could be a niche console release that is only really playable with a keyboard and flight stick combo or something if gamepads are an issue, I don't know. Additional peripherals could be supported for people who wanted to expand their capabilities to for example pilot different crafts that require additional inputs or whatever. Like that Xbox mech game, Steel Battalion, but probably cheaper, the stick could be something as basic as T16000M or then equivalent and the keyboard, well, any cheapo one that works. It could have bundles with or without the keyboard for people who already have one but all of them with the flight stick they choose to collaborate with. So yeah, a relatively niche release that won't sell like COD but it's possible and if the game's as amazing as we hope I'm sure enough would jump onboard to make the port worthwhile. Maybe you'll say you don't want them to limit what is possible in future expansions and updates for the low end consoles but I'm sure they'll want it to be playable on the PCs that are mid-high spec upon its release for a long long time, so next gen consoles of the time could work similarly well. And they can discontinue support whenever next-next gen arrives and alongside that update their PC system specs requirements, either for the whole game or just the next expansions that do crazier shit. I'm sure people would be upset if the PC requirements changed too often anyway.
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Just like in the post above I detailed response from Chris which is why I state I am not sure. In case you didn't read all of it (I understand it was a large response) here is the biggest hurdles and they aren't really related to tech directly.
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For those reasons you are looking at some interesting policy responses there. I doubt Sony or MS will become lax on their QC or update procedures. I am not sure if fans would be to happy if the game gets updated on PC yet the console couldn't handle the new feature and is left without it. Chris certainly isn't going to let limitation of console stop the PC version from progressing. And the whole cross platform play is a can of worms. I don't see any console maker having a problem sharing a base with PC, they just seemingly do not like sharing with each other. Imagining SC going to consoles has to be very optimistic and rely on a perfect storm of conditions I don't recall ever happening in the console space to date.
EDIT: Maybe a packaged version of S42 is more likely. SC is an MMO therefore is bound to have new features Chris has stated they weren't going to stop after release.
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jpbonadio I don't ever see Star Citizen releasing for consoles. I wouldn't mind them releasing SQ42 for consoles at all, and it'd be wise for them to do it, but I can see any hint of them optimizing the game for consoles instead of using development time on features as something that will have major backlash amongst the community, so I doubt we'll see it.
Rivi The normal ATV's have been suspended this week because of the Anniversary Sale and Ship-Shape episodes we're getting. Burndown will probably come back next week.
Edit: And yeah, Dictator is right about AI being a performance issue right now.
Rivi The normal ATV's have been suspended this week because of the Anniversary Sale and Ship-Shape episodes we're getting. Burndown will probably come back next week.
Edit: And yeah, Dictator is right about AI being a performance issue right now.
The problem is not with GPU power, as in terms of GPU power the Xbox X is already fine and Pro probably as well on lower settings and maybe lower resolution. CPU is the limiting factor and if the platform holders wont change that in future consoles and we'll still get crappy CPUs, like low end mobile Ryzen, then even Squadron 42 could not run properly on new consoles.
I am skeptical of this one. We have a bunch of MMOs including F2P ones on both PS4 and Xbone. Most likely reason is optimization. If it has performance issues on fairly powerful PCs then consoles won't be able to handle the game.
However, PS5/XB2 might be improved enough that the game will run if it actually releases by then and is optimized/playable enough for general populace.
Read the Staticneuron post. If for example SC cant share servers between all versions that CIG probably wont do, or at least wont do it on the console that has stricter policies.
Btw SC has and will have very deep integration with their Spectrum app and this could also be not allowed by console platform holders.
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Embeds are fixed. I've been waiting for that! Will be able to make the OP a whole lot nicer soon.
"You may embed media from the following sites: Brightcove Coub Dailymotion Facebook Google Drive Google+ Instagram JW Platform Kiss Video LiveLeak Livestream Metacafe Pinterest Reddit threads and comments Streamable Tumblr Twitter Veoh Videomega vidme Vimeo Vine WorldStarHipHop YouTube"
I like this one but it was too big to include as a GIF. I just used Streamable to rehost this one from the original gifv on imgur and now I can embed it here:
The shadow should probably be a bit fuzzier, but it's still cool.
"You may embed media from the following sites: Brightcove Coub Dailymotion Facebook Google Drive Google+ Instagram JW Platform Kiss Video LiveLeak Livestream Metacafe Pinterest Reddit threads and comments Streamable Tumblr Twitter Veoh Videomega vidme Vimeo Vine WorldStarHipHop YouTube"
I like this one but it was too big to include as a GIF. I just used Streamable to rehost this one from the original gifv on imgur and now I can embed it here:
The shadow should probably be a bit fuzzier, but it's still cool.
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Oh wow, good to know. Just saw that there's an option for having a frametime graph in RTSS now too, which is nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_Zvw4RZj5k
Setup > enable frametime history overlay (graph)
"Show own statistics" has to be on.
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No official info yet, but I predict that in about two more weeks.
The biggest problem right now is with servers stability, other stuff generally it seems to be working decently enough.
I've been following SC for awhile, but haven't backed it to this point. With the incoming release of 3.0. I'm honestly considering jumping in to test out the game and see where it goes. I'm also interested in Squadron 42. Is this package a good way to start?
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Mustang-Alpha-Star-Citizen-Squadron-42-Combo
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Mustang-Alpha-Star-Citizen-Squadron-42-Combo
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Nah, get one of the promo ones that just went up - you save 10 bucks and it has 5 years of hull insurance included instead of 3 months.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/...63-Discount-Starters-Anniversary-Special-Sale
This is for the MMO, and then there's a $15 add-on to include the Squadron 42 campaign to match the one you linked, for $50 total instead of $60.
The longer hull insurance is nice since it persists if you upgrade that package to a different ship.
Thanks! Now which ship would be more preferable, the Aurora or the Mustang?
Edit: I see in the Mustang's description that there's an optional cargo carrier. Does that come with it?
Edit 2: I'm not seeing the $15 Squadron 42 addon
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Yeah, I can't find the add-on right now either (even for the regular non-discounted packages) - just give that some time, it seems like they don't have things fully set up yet.
I'm actually not sure about that cargo pod - I don't see a price mentioned for it anywhere so I think it's probably just included and it's something you toggle in the ship build. Will see if I can find out for sure.
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Looks like they fixed the add-on. You should get a prompt to add it during checkout (after you enter the address, before you pay).
The Aurora and Mustang are pretty close. I'd say just go by your preferred style - Aurora for a trading focus, Mustang for combat.
The Aurora and Mustang are pretty close. I'd say just go by your preferred style - Aurora for a trading focus, Mustang for combat.
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Thank you very much! :) Is any of the two ships more recommended than the other?
Just got the Discount Mustang Starter Pack and the Squadron 42 Add-on! Now...what to do next lol?
If you plan on playing with 3.0, grab the Aurora. The Aurora just got its rework pass done and has been brought up to the standards of more recent ships both in design and functionality. The Mustang series is still being worked on so the current version is old and broken. Entry and exit from the Mustang is glitchy, and the MFDs are all placeholders.
MFDs;
Exit seat:
Now compare that to the Aurora:
To give an idea about the Mustang's future here's the relevant info from the recent ATV:
Should you decide you like the Mustang more than the Aurora when it's finished, then you'll be able to upgrade your pledge ship to a Mustang Beta for an additional $10, or simply change ships in game using the in game systems and economy once that's in place.
So apparently I got the Digital Bounty Hunter version back in 2013. Is there anything better now I can trade it in for value wise?
No. Your package contains both S42 and SC and has LTI on your ship. None of the packages would have the same value for the price you paid. Was there something specific you were looking for?
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