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Bloodworth

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So my comment on the latest video got a like by the channel itself which put it at the top with the other "hearted" comments. is this a new YouTube feature? Regardless I like it as an idea to let the better comments "float" to the top and not just the most active or what're drove it before.
yeah it's been there for a bit, but I'm experimenting with actually using it. I didn't know it "floated" comments until the other day. I just hope it doesn't make people more of a target as well, but that might be more of a concern on more specific videos.
 

TheDarkKnight

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yeah it's been there for a bit, but I'm experimenting with actually using it. I didn't know it "floated" comments until the other day. I just hope it doesn't make people more of a target as well, but that might be more of a concern on more specific videos.

Yea I was thinking that it could also backfire as well. But as someone who usually has to avoid the YouTube comments it is nice to be able to read the first couple before losing faith in humanity!
 

JayC3

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Why do you think it's up to someone else to give you a so called safe space? He was clear that he was going to talk with Colin so if you feel that's somehow a threat and not safe don't listen or go to Colin's content at all. You don't know Jones personally so to start making judgment calls is ridiculous. The world is filled with many different views it doesn't make them wrong just because you don't see it that way. Jones is a stand up guy and so is Colin they obviously have love and respect for each other.
I'm saying this because various Allies have said that they wanted to create a safe space for people. And for many, Colin has, through his words and actions, put himself into a category where any collaboration is seen as problematic. It's like how Jimmy Fallon got a ton of flack for playing with Trump's hair on TV (not that Colin is anywhere as bad as Trump) because it normalized him.

As for Colin being a stand up guy, let's just say I disagree.
Parroting racism: https://www.resetera.com/threads/easy-allies-ot-the-new-era.703/page-53#post-1288065 I hope I don't have to explain to you why this is so problematic but let me know if you need some elaboration.
Being Transphobic: https://www.resetera.com/threads/easy-allies-ot-the-new-era.703/page-72#post-1519835
Being sexist: The "joke", as you call it, is sexist, full stop. On a spectrum of sexism, it might fall on the low end, but making the joke on a day when women were marching and protesting, and then doubling down when criticized, prompting him to get thrown out of Kinda Funny. Does all this happen just due to a simple "joke"?
Being malicious: Singling out an EZA community member for harassment by A) finding a tweet that was addressed to Jones (and not Colin) about his concerns with collaborating with Colin; B) blasting out that tweet to all his followers; C) reposting a screenshot of the tweet after the community member deleted the post and locked down his social media because he started getting harassed. This pattern of harassment has happened before, so he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt and say that he didn't know that that would happen. And doing this when he could have easily ignored some Joe Schmoe making a Twitter post and when he has a large following? That's the height of irresponsible use of social media and is actively malicious.
 

Trejo

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Why do you think it's up to someone else to give you a so called safe space? He was clear that he was going to talk with Colin so if you feel that's somehow a threat and not safe don't listen or go to Colin's content at all. You don't know Jones personally so to start making judgment calls is ridiculous. The world is filled with many different views it doesn't make them wrong just because you don't see it that way. Jones is a stand up guy and so is Colin they obviously have love and respect for each other.
Funny how many of these "racism and misogyny is just a different point of view you guys!" comments are coming out of the woodwork lately. And yeah, it's obvious Jones has a lot of love and respect for Colin. Sadly less so for the members of the EZA community Colin sicced his gang of sycophants on.
 

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I'm saying this because various Allies have said that they wanted to create a safe space for people. And for many, Colin has, through his words and actions, put himself into a category where any collaboration is seen as problematic. It's like how Jimmy Fallon got a ton of flack for playing with Trump's hair on TV (not that Colin is anywhere as bad as Trump) because it normalized him.

As for Colin being a stand up guy, let's just say I disagree.

I would agree that Colin's (public) behavior has shown him to be less than a stand up individual. Colin's said a lot of hurtful things to a lot of people over the years. However, on Brandon being a part of Colin's show, I see no issue with it, and I actually think it emphasizes a lot of the reasons why I stand behind the Allies and have watched their videos since the GameTrailers days. There is a difference between respecting and accepting an individuals racist, sexist, or offensive views and respecting their human right to talk about their views, no matter how hurtful. Having a conversation with Colin is not a damning acceptance of the man's political, social, and sometimes offensive opinions. Having a conversation with Colin does not condone negative behavior that has hurt others in the past.

I strongly stand by the fact that the Allies should be able to have conversations with anyone they want to talk to, and I believe their positivity and downright welcoming personas are contagious. Without challenging conversations, their Love & Respect ideals may never reach the people who need to hear it the most.
 

Holundrian

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I would agree that Colin's (public) behavior has shown him to be less than a stand up individual. Colin's said a lot of hurtful things to a lot of people over the years. However, on Brandon being a part of Colin's show, I see no issue with it, and I actually think it emphasizes a lot of the reasons why I stand behind the Allies and have watched their videos since the GameTrailers days. There is a difference between respecting and accepting an individuals racist, sexist, or offensive views and respecting their human right to talk about their views, no matter how hurtful. Having a conversation with Colin is not a damning acceptance of the man's political, social, and sometimes offensive opinions. Having a conversation with Colin does not condone negative behavior that has hurt others in the past.

I strongly stand by the fact that the Allies should be able to have conversations with anyone they want to talk to, and I believe their positivity and downright welcoming personas are contagious. Without challenging conversations, their Love & Respect ideals may never reach the people who need to hear it the most.

It kinda does in my opinion. Look at the stuff some people were posting. We are the fringe because we speak up on not being ok with that. We are the unreasonable ones, we are the crazy ones for not wanting to tolerate that. It is def not what Brandon intended I believe that wholeheartedly but it def is what some people have taken away from it.
But honestly that's ok. The same way Brandon encourages people voting with their wallet even if it hurts them financially in the end I feel the exact same way(ok maybe that's presumptuous to say I just believe that I do) about him making this decisions even if that disappointed me.
 
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JayC3

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I would agree that Colin's (public) behavior has shown him to be less than a stand up individual. Colin's said a lot of hurtful things to a lot of people over the years. However, on Brandon being a part of Colin's show, I see no issue with it, and I actually think it emphasizes a lot of the reasons why I stand behind the Allies and have watched their videos since the GameTrailers days. There is a difference between respecting and accepting an individuals racist, sexist, or offensive views and respecting their human right to talk about their views, no matter how hurtful. Having a conversation with Colin is not a damning acceptance of the man's political, social, and sometimes offensive opinions. Having a conversation with Colin does not condone negative behavior that has hurt others in the past.

I strongly stand by the fact that the Allies should be able to have conversations with anyone they want to talk to, and I believe their positivity and downright welcoming personas are contagious. Without challenging conversations, their Love & Respect ideals may never reach the people who need to hear it the most.
I know that many share your viewpoint, and I understand it to an extent, even though I disagree in some key aspects. I think the main one is in normalization, which is incredibly complicated. Like, one common refrain is that you should never debate toxic viewpoint/individual X, because if you are someone respected, then you automatically give X legitimacy simply by giving it a platform, even if you soundly defeat them.

For Colin, I think a lot of us no longer tie him to just his libertarian views, but rather his problematic words and actions. He's essentially become Toxic Individual X, and part of that is that he's inextricably tied to his Woman's March tweet, which many took as malice towards women and what got him kicked out of Kinda Funny. That, and all his problematic viewpoints, and all his insults and bullying (especially to our community, targeting an EZA community member and calling others of us delusional and McCarthyists) have put him into that rare category of people that a lot of us think would be better to no-platform than to even try to engage (esp. because Colin's modus operandi is to never listen and double down when criticized).
 

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I know that many share your viewpoint, and I understand it to an extent, even though I disagree in some key aspects. I think the main one is in normalization, which is incredibly complicated. Like, one common refrain is that you should never debate toxic viewpoint/individual X, because if you are someone respected, then you automatically give X legitimacy simply by giving it a platform, even if you soundly defeat them.

For Colin, I think a lot of us no longer tie him to just his libertarian views, but rather his problematic words and actions. He's essentially become Toxic Individual X, and part of that is that he's inextricably tied to his Woman's March tweet, which many took as malice towards women and what got him kicked out of Kinda Funny. That, and all his problematic viewpoints, and all his insults and bullying (especially to our community, targeting an EZA community member and calling others of us delusional and McCarthyists) have put him into that rare category of people that a lot of us think would be better to no-platform than to even try to engage (esp. because Colin's modus operandi is to never listen and double down when criticized).

I think those points are fair. I may disagree, but I definitely can understand that perspective, and normalization and giving Colin any platform are issues worth considering.

There are obviously some consequences to Jones being on the podcast, many of which were probably unintended that are unfortunate, such as the targeting of specific members of the community which is not really appropriate, and immature discussion on Colin's part. It comes across as defensive in a bad way.

But thanks for the thought out response, always appreciate the conversation.
 

JayC3

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I think those points are fair. I may disagree, but I definitely can understand that perspective, and normalization and giving Colin any platform are issues worth considering.

There are obviously some consequences to Jones being on the podcast, many of which were probably unintended that are unfortunate, such as the targeting of specific members of the community which is not really appropriate, and immature discussion on Colin's part. It comes across as defensive in a bad way.

But thanks for the thought out response, always appreciate the conversation.
Thanks, you too!
 

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I forgot just how much I loved Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker until I watched Kyle's Punished Bets stream now. Such a jolly game.
 

Joqu

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Ben's done with Xeno 2, so I guess it won't be too long until the review now. I'm looking forward to it, it sounds like he had a really good time.



I forgot just how much I loved Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker until I watched Kyle's Punished Bets stream now. Such a jolly game.

So jolly. I was worried for a sec that Kyle was playing Captain Toad as a punishment because he hated the game or something! I'm glad he loves it too.
 

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Ben's done with Xeno 2, so I guess it won't be too long until the review now. I'm looking forward to it, it sounds like he had a really good time.





So jolly. I was worried for a sec that Kyle was playing Captain Toad as a punishment because he hated the game or something! I'm glad he loves it too.


Haha, I forgot how the Captain Toad puzzle/platformer thing started. Kyle is so right, though. Regular Toad is pretty boring, but Captain Toad is so full of character for some reason.
 

Joqu

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Haha, I forgot how the Captain Toad puzzle/platformer thing started. Kyle is so right, though. Regular Toad is pretty boring, but Captain Toad is so full of character for some reason.
It simply is the backpack and the headlamp for me tbh. It's a silly reason, but it just adds some much needed character to what would otherwise be a pretty regular Toad. Suddenly he's this goofy adventurer, it's great. Same reason the generic toads are a huge downgrade from the older ones in Paper Mario. Regular Toads are just smurfs, and I really don't like smurfs all that much despite being Belgian.
 

Prompto

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I wonder if Ian & Jones scale back their Final Bets. The last couple of specials had some crazy ones lol.
Instead of having their final bet be something crazy, they should try to come up with an announcement as small and boring as possible.

"Sony will announce a new firmware update that only brings increased stability and slight cosmetic changes to the UI"
 

Schmuck

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So, ever since I started watching EZA content, I've been curious exactly where Jones had gotten his infamous wooden mug as I'm a fan of fancy drinking devices. He said during a stream once he had gotten it from a Renaissance fair but didn't remember the name of the company. I'm here to say I've not only found who makes them, but bought one of their mugs online and have one now. The creator is goodlywoods.com and they seem to do one-off designs, so they don't seem to have the exact same one that Jones has but many similar with different wood types and colors. Here's a pic of the one I got, looks nothing like Jones's cup but couldn't resist the style. As far as the quality, I can see how Jones has had his for so long as it's very very solid (and no, this isn't any sort of sponsored post or attempt at an ad, just figured some might be curious like me about where that mug came from if someone wanted to get one themselves).

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Zeroro

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Yep. As someone who recently tried to categorize and prioritize their content it's easy to miss stuff.

Also interesting to see someone try to explain what Easy Update is. Selling it as a gaming show is misleading.

If I had to ascribe a genre to it, I'd probably call it a variety show.
 

Nav

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On a lighthearted note.

It always makes me laugh when, on past betting specials, "reveal himself / herself / itself" is used. Any longstanding allies know where that phrasing comes from?
 

Nav

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I'm not sure, pretty sure that was a phrase even on GT. "Kojima has REVEALED himself." Gets me everytime.
Yeah! Huber's intonation on that is perfect. Gets me every time too.

Instead of: "Will we see Wario?"
We get: "Will Wario REVEAL himself?"

In general, EZA excels when it comes to humor of this type. The other thing that comes to mind is how for many podcast games, participants have to say special phrases. Like they can't just agree/disagree, they have to say "The hotseat is right" or whisper "Hottake" or say "Making the Switch!"

It's a brilliant way to liven things up. One of the small reasons I have loved getting into EZA.
 

klastical

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Ben is hyping me to buy Xenoblad Chronicles 2, what say you?
I'm nervous about how complicated all of the systems seem. I loved chronicles 1 but bounces off of X so hard due to it just being systems on top of systems on top of systems with that game. I'm hoping chronicles 2 makes it a bit easier to keep track of everything. I will be picking it up tomorrow despite my nervousness because I really want to play a game where I can just chill out and explore.
 

Dineren

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Kubus compiled a bunch of the tutorial images on imgur. You can take a look there if you want more detail on the battle system. Though it might cause more harm than good out of context I suppose.
 

ZeoVGM

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For 20+ years, I've thought that Pac-Man 2: The New Adventures was a 2D platformer.

When I saw the cursor appear on the screen during Bosman's stream, my entire world changed.
 

LiquidSolid

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Jones appearing on this show is not a "real" issue. There are a lot more real issues going on in the world right now. It's an easy way to fool yourself into thinking that it is but seriously it's not.

Jones went on the show. He didn't listen to you guys. At this point you are just beating a dead horse.
I was wondering how long it'd take someone to make this dumpster fire of an argument when I posted that.

You don't get to decide what is or isn't a real issue. This debacle has affected members of the EZA community, particularly the community members who were abused by Colin and his following but also the people who spoke out initially but went dark when things got abusive (and even avoided this thread because they know Colin and his fans, like you, are following it). And it's been made so much worse because Brandon clearly doesn't care, those people are just "rustled feathers." So no, it is a real issue.

You know what wasn't a real issue? EZA refusing to stream Senran Kagura. EZA's communication regarding it was admittedly garbage but no-one was affected by their refusal to stream it.

Why do you think it's up to someone else to give you a so called safe space? He was clear that he was going to talk with Colin so if you feel that's somehow a threat and not safe don't listen or go to Colin's content at all. You don't know Jones personally so to start making judgment calls is ridiculous. The world is filled with many different views it doesn't make them wrong just because you don't see it that way. Jones is a stand up guy and so is Colin they obviously have love and respect for each other.
EZA have specifically said they want to have a wide, diverse and inclusive community. So yes, if that's their goal, they need to make people feel safe in their community.

Good to know you think an openly racist, misogynist and transphobic bully is a stand up guy though. Really shows where you stand.
 

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This is no longer the EZA OT. Seems like the Colin OT at this point.
Being compared to an oaktree has a hellvu impact.

Yep, been absolutely awful. At this point I wish they just lock this or something for a few days.

Well I'm glad you guys think it's making a difference, he still went on the show and you are still talking non-stop about it 10+ days later now.

More power to you though if you believe it's made a difference. On my personal level I want to stray more and more away from the community if anything after all of this.
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I would agree that Colin's (public) behavior has shown him to be less than a stand up individual. Colin's said a lot of hurtful things to a lot of people over the years. However, on Brandon being a part of Colin's show, I see no issue with it, and I actually think it emphasizes a lot of the reasons why I stand behind the Allies and have watched their videos since the GameTrailers days. There is a difference between respecting and accepting an individuals racist, sexist, or offensive views and respecting their human right to talk about their views, no matter how hurtful. Having a conversation with Colin is not a damning acceptance of the man's political, social, and sometimes offensive opinions. Having a conversation with Colin does not condone negative behavior that has hurt others in the past.

I strongly stand by the fact that the Allies should be able to have conversations with anyone they want to talk to, and I believe their positivity and downright welcoming personas are contagious. Without challenging conversations, their Love & Respect ideals may never reach the people who need to hear it the most.
You know what, maybe you would have had a point...if Donald J. Trump wasn't elected President of the United States. Turns out, even this far in the twenty-first century, even with history and evidence at your finger tips, even with voices differentiate even further: if you have the right personality (because what 45 has isn't charm), bigotry can be enough to hand you nuclear weapons. When "and some are good people" isn't enough to bring the fear of god into those who could have easily gone to the polls and 62, 984, 825+ Americans were not revolted by that comment, it becomes really apparent millions of Americans really want those who are not white, straight, male, abled to stay in their current social class, banished from this country, or simply die.

You see, this is about the destructive nature of prejudice and all of it that entails and within this focal point called "gaming", just from GamerGate to (perhaps) 45 up to now with Colin, it has been a "fascinating" experience on how horrendous your fellow citizens can actually become even with digesting the most blatant of behaviors. Colin being insensitive to one's identity is not an island. Add in the spotlight that Colin has and it has potential reinforcement of the idea that, ultimately, disenfranchised citizens' concerns & existences are not worth anything, not even thought. Rather Colin intentionally does this or not, it does not change the fact that he is hanging around the same rotten tree that enables those who actually went out and burned crosses in front of the houses of black families. So, when the marginalized alone see the stuff Colin been spouting that makes him a horrible human being, they're being reminded that their homenland wants them down, gone, and/or dead; that their cries are being shut down through his idiotic and (perhaps) malicious comments. So, when the reason why we're here mingles with someone who blatantly contributes (intentionally or not) to those ideologies, those concerned community members are going to worry about about such a contribution validating what wants to hurt them.

And if anybody here who keep spouting that this is about opinions after all of this, let alone in the past, maybe, two weeks now, I don't know what else to tell you (if you're actually ignorant instead of a troll) but other then actually try to step into the shoes of those who were insulted by Colin's inflammatory words (let alone harassed by his fans).

Also just in: Colin's latest tweet implies that non-whites do the most rioting so yeah...
 
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