Easy Allies |OT| The New Era

Holundrian · Nov 30, 2017

ourghostsofwar said:
Ian Hinck makes me want to be a better man. The guy is an S-class human being.

That is true I will totally admit that as of this point I do not think I have it in me to be as compassionate/forgiving as him. Whether that's cause I'm too weak or cause I'm too battered I don't know.

Gryflet said:
I mean reasonably I think if someone is harassed that much they should report it and not engage with the person anymore RATHER than enter into a hate fest and stoop to their level.

How would one go about reporting Colin Moriarty in this context as it pertains to EZA?
Do I report to patreon, do I write in the CoJ comments, do I write here discussing him? How should I act regarding reporting him? Where and how would a report have the highest chance of success?

Gryflet said:
Pretty sure this is a lie. What if I told you he actually votes for and defends transgender rights?

Hey do we remember when Colin was saying Trump is totally pro LGBT cause reasons? I still remember that.
Did we ever get an apology for him belittling the people that were worried about that? I assume no.

Skywalker · Nov 30, 2017

Toon Link said:
Do you think people in this community want Jones to be rude towards Colin? I don't understand why you keep stating we should treat him with dignity. The issue was not that Brandon is nice to Colin or is on good terms with him, it was regarding an official collaboration between EZA/Jones and Colin.

I was originally speaking to Jones decision to respond to Colin's request to appear on his show.

Holundrian said:
Yes or no, don't dodge the question? I want a clear answer the people that always ask the people getting shit on to aspire to some saintly conduct are often the wants that never want to be held up to that standard themselves. So you're saying I can be a shitbag to you forever and can always ask for L+R back to be unconditionally received?

Sorry I am not purposefully dodging your question, I am trying to understand it. You can be a shitbag forever, yes. I think that if you are being treated as a shitbag you can choose to be a shitbag, or aspire to be better yes. The choice is only meaningful to you, as the shitbag will (EDIT: not) likely change as a result. But if he does I think it is worth the effort

Does that make sense? This is just my opinion guys. I hope I haven't upset anyone. I really dig this community. I just thought I'd share some insights. I'll leave you guys alone now

Deleted member 4976 · Nov 30, 2017

Gryflet said:
Pretty sure this is a lie. What if I told you he actually votes for and defends transgender rights?

I mean reasonably I think if someone is harassed that much they should report it and not engage with the person anymore RATHER than enter into a hate fest and stoop to their level.

The guy who says he would vote for Trump if pushed to it, supports transgender rights?

Come on.

Deleted member 5086 · Nov 30, 2017

Primethius said:
The guy who says he would vote for Trump if pushed to it, supports transgender rights?

Come on.

Not only that, but says things like "You can identify as an oak tree if you want. Or a stop sign", when he was just asked to stop belittling nonbinary genders by comparing them to inanimate objects or saying things like "a man who identifies as a woman."

Holundrian · Nov 30, 2017

Skywalker said:
I was originally speaking to Jones decision to respond to Colin's request to appear on his show.

Sorry I am not purposefully dodging your question, I am trying to understand it. You can be a shitbag forever, yes. I think that if you are being treated as a shitbag you can choose to be a shitbag, or aspire to be better yes. The choice is only meaningful to you, as the shitbag will (EDIT: not) likely change as a result. But if he does I think it is worth the effort

Does that make sense? This is just my opinion guys. I hope I haven't upset anyone. I really dig this community. I just thought I'd share some insights. I'll leave you guys alone now

Hey that's cool if you believe that and can live by that at least that's consistent.

Deleted member 13250 · Nov 30, 2017

Primethius said:
The guy who says he would vote for Trump if pushed to it, supports transgender rights?

Come on.

Yes he would support them, I'd give you his reasoning but I don't know if that's allowed. The context to the Trump vote is in reference to Clinton, he hates Clinton. He never has or never would vote for Trump and has even left his political party over his election. I mean it would be much easier to discuss this by posting his videos but that's not allowed so this is where I'll end it.

Dineren · Nov 30, 2017

Here is a post by Toon Link where they point out some examples of Colin's interactions with those who try to correct his usage of transphobic language. He can say he supports their rights all he wants, he clearly doesn't respect them.

Falconbox · Nov 30, 2017

Dyno said:
You wanna debunk it? I'm fairly certain him mocking gender identity was a thing that happened.

I mean, he's literally made a video where he's standing up for transgender rights (which I can't link because of forum rules).

But this is an EZA thread, so I'll stick to that.

Deleted member 4976 · Nov 30, 2017

Gryflet said:
Yes he would support them, I'd give you his reasoning but I don't know if that's allowed. The context to the Trump vote is in reference to Clinton, he hates Clinton. He never has or never would vote for Trump and has even left his political party over his election. I mean it would be much easier to discuss this by posting his videos but that's not allowed so this is where I'll end it.

That context doesn't really make anything better.

"Hello minorities, I support you!"

"What's that? Vote in your interest? Why don't you fuck right off."

It just shows that his "support" is nothing more than hollow talk. And that kind of support is worthless.

ourghostsofwar · Nov 30, 2017

Holundrian said:
That is true I will totally admit that as of this point I do not think I have it in me to be as compassionate/forgiving as him. Whether that's cause I'm too weak or cause I'm too battered I don't know.

I agree with you. I reread Ian's tweets about four or five times yesterday because I was very heated with Jones. My last post in this thread was my attempt to internalize Jones' decision to comprehend his perspective on things in order to empathize with him. I don't have to deal with abuse at the hourly rate that Ian does, so if he can maintain that positivity, why can't I?

Skywalker · Nov 30, 2017

Holundrian said:
Hey that's cool if you believe that and can live by that at least that's consistent.

hey thanks man. shitbags and assholes suck, i just dont want any more joining their team

Deleted member 13250 · Nov 30, 2017

Primethius said:
"What's that? Vote in your interest? Why don't you fuck right off."

I can see we have two differing interpretations of his actions, this one being not voting for Trump, so we'll agree to disagree. Love and Respect breh

Alucrid · Nov 30, 2017

"but his videos"

Deleted member 13250 · Nov 30, 2017

Alucrid said:
"but his videos"

I'd take his videos that explain his reasoning over some tweets that are condensed down to basically sound bites.

Deleted member 4976 · Nov 30, 2017

Gryflet said:
I can see we have two differing interpretations of his actions, this one being not voting for Trump, so we'll agree to disagree. Love and Respect breh

Yes, I would love to hear your interpretation of how someone who would vote for Trump also totally supports transgender folks.

Deleted member 5086 · Nov 30, 2017

Gryflet said:
I'd take his videos that explain his reasoning over some tweets that are condensed down to basically sound bites.

It's easy to say you respect transgender people, but if you can't actually speak to transgender people with respect when they kindly ask you for it, then it's just empty talk.

Alucrid · Nov 30, 2017

Gryflet said:
I'd take his videos that explain his reasoning over some tweets that are condensed down to basically sound bites.

maybe if he wants his videos to have more weight he should stop constantly undermining their messages with his tweets

emb · Nov 30, 2017

Do we know anything about when to expect Ben's Xenoblade review?

Deleted member 13250 · Nov 30, 2017

Primethius said:
Yes, I would love to hear your interpretation of how someone who would vote for Trump also totally supports transgender folks.

Let me tell you a story of a man who didn't vote for Trump and supports transgender rights...

Toon Link said:
It's easy to say you respect transgender people, but if you can't actually speak to transgender people with respect when they kindly ask you for it, then it's just empty talk.

Alucrid said:
maybe if he wants his videos to have more weight he should stop constantly undermining their messages with his tweets

Can't really argue with this since he was being an ass.

Lexad · Nov 30, 2017

I think south parks double down episode this season sums up Colin to a T. I actually do believe that he doesn't believe in most of the things he says and probabaly just doesn't think it through. However twitter roars up at him and then he has to double down because of his ego. In light of the transphobic comments, I think he meant in his heart of hearts that he does support trans people but used problematic language. When called out on it he doubled down by using additional language. He lives in his echo chamber and needs validation from folks that he is right. I don't think that makes him evil or anything like that has been expressed here. I do think serious introspection and growth is needed from him though and I hope little by little as Colin integrates himself back in video games having people like jones and Jeff cannata that show a lot more compassion can break a little through. There is no better way to radicalize somebody than to isolate them to an echo chamber of lonely and broken voices.

Deleted member 4976 · Nov 30, 2017

Gryflet said:
Let me tell you a story of a man who didn't vote for Trump and supports transgender rights...

Can't really argue with this since he was being an ass.

So you got nothing? Apparently Colin supports transgender rights because he says so.

But he also says he would vote for Trump if it came to it and we are supposed to ignore that?

Cool. Got it. Just lots of hollow, empty talk coming out of his mouth.

TokyoSlim · Nov 30, 2017

Toon Link said:
It's easy to say you respect transgender people, but if you can't actually speak to transgender people with respect when they kindly ask you for it, then it's just empty talk.

This basically echoes my own sentiment. Colin's voting record and public persona are meaningless noise. His treatment of others time and time again falls short of his self proclamations of his own tolerance.

Deleted member 13250 · Nov 30, 2017

Primethius said:
So you got nothing? Apparently Colin supports transgender rights because he says so.

Dude we're not allowed to talk about his beliefs as per the mod so I don't know what you want?

Deleted member 4976 · Nov 30, 2017

Gryflet said:
Dude we're not allowed to talk about his beliefs as per the mod so I don't know what you want?

It's not as if I'm asking you to link me something. You could just explain to me, the logical reasoning which results in someone both expressing support for transgender rights and voting for Trump if it came to it.

How are those two compatible given the sheer bigotry, hatred and contempt Trump has shown for anyone not a white christian male?

DemonSwordsman · Nov 30, 2017

This is no longer the EZA OT. Seems like the Colin OT at this point.

Anyways EAGERLY awaiting Ben's xenoblade review, would love to watch it before I start the game but I know review might not be out today.

CyReN · Nov 30, 2017

DemonSwordsman said:
This is no longer the EZA OT. Seems like the Colin OT at this point.

Anyways EAGERLY awaiting Ben's xenoblade review, would love to watch it before I start the game but I know review might not be out today.

Yep, been absolutely awful. At this point I wish they just lock this or something for a few days.

ZeroNoir_ · Nov 30, 2017

emb said:
Do we know anything about when to expect Ben's Xenoblade review?

4/5

ZeroNoir_ · Nov 30, 2017

DemonSwordsman said:
This is no longer the EZA OT. Seems like the Colin OT at this point.

Anyways EAGERLY awaiting Ben's xenoblade review, would love to watch it before I start the game but I know review might not be out today.

Any attempts of me trying to steer the convo off Colin were met with "you are not a mod"

Dineren · Nov 30, 2017

CyReN said:
Yep, been absolutely awful. At this point I wish they just lock this or something for a few days.

Once Colin's show is released to the public and people have a chance to react to Brandon's statements for a day or two I'm sure you'll be able to bury your head back in the sand and get back to the video game talk. Sorry if the predictable response to Jones being on Colin's show is interrupting it.

Holundrian · Nov 30, 2017

The smallest of prices to pay for collaborating with Colin. If the remarks and harassment don't get you to care maybe it dominating the discussion might.

CyReN · Nov 30, 2017

Holundrian said:
The smallest of prices to pay for collaborating with Colin. If the remarks and harassment don't get you to care maybe it dominating the discussion might.

Well I'm glad you guys think it's making a difference, he still went on the show and you are still talking non-stop about it 10+ days later now.

More power to you though if you believe it's made a difference. On my personal level I want to stray more and more away from the community if anything after all of this.

Deleted member 4976 · Nov 30, 2017

CyReN said:
Well I'm glad you guys thinking it's making a difference, he still went on the show and you are still talking about it 10+ days later now.

More power to you though if you believe it's made a difference. On my personal level I want to stray more and more away from the community if anything now.

Oh I don't think your fully grasping the situation for some of the folks here. This discussion is absolutely making a difference.

It's clearing up a lot of things and how it has been handled so far and will be handled moving forward also puts into perspective a whole bunch of stuff.

Negator · Nov 30, 2017

So glad Xenoblade 2 comes out tonight. Hopefully all this Colin nonsense will go away while Im playing.

Holundrian · Nov 30, 2017

CyReN said:
Well I'm glad you guys thinking it's making a difference, he's still went on the show and you guys are still talking about it 10+ days later. More power to you though, it's working!

Thanks. Funny though that 10 days of something harmless as this gets people so annoyed maybe they can start empathizing with people living a lifetime of having to deal with shitty sexist/racist/etc jokes/remarks/etc. That said I hear this cool advice a lot, maybe that works out, "you just have to ignore it and not make a big deal out of it."
L+R breh

CyReN · Nov 30, 2017

Holundrian said:
Thanks. Funny though that 10 days of something harmless as this gets people so annoyed maybe they can start empathizing with people living a lifetime of having to deal with shitty sexist/racist/etc jokes/remarks/etc. That said I hear this cool advice a lot, maybe that works out, "you just have to ignore it and not make a big deal out of it."

Please don't try and intertwine me wanting to discuss the recent podcast(s) to other real issues in the world. I'm only here to discuss videos games and shows for those within the Easy Allies community, I avoid discussing politics and other topics like this for a reason. Thanks.

Tygre · Nov 30, 2017

CyReN said:
Well I'm glad you guys think it's making a difference, he still went on the show and you are still talking non-stop about it 10+ days later now.

More power to you though if you believe it's made a difference. On my personal level I want to stray more and more away from the community if anything after all of this.

There was a week of low key discussion because it was an open question of whether Brandon would or wouldn't collab with Colin. I think many people thought, having been shown what Colin and his fans are like first hand, Brandon would end up declining.

What your're seeing now is the frustration and disappointment people have with a decision that's been made, rather than the more gentle discussion of a decision being made.

The deliberation over a decision is rarely as emotive as the outcome of that decision.

Alucrid · Nov 30, 2017

CyReN said:
I'm just saying as someone who enjoys their content, everything that needed to be said has - he's doing it and that's that. I don't support his involvement with it, so I'm not going to watch it. If others feel stronger about it, do what you need. The same discussion over and over isn't going to do anything at the end of the day. That's all I'm getting at from someone who at one time liked reading the thread. Guess I'll stay out for the next week or so until it cools down again.

has it been a week already? seems like you had a pretty good plan on how you should deal with this, not sure why you decided to renege on it after only a day.

Joqu · Nov 30, 2017

People will talk about other stuff when they feel like talking about other stuff again, I really don't see the issue with that.

I don't think trying to steer the direction of a thread by complaining about it is ever the way to go. No one's stopping you from talking about anything else, I just talked about Captain Toad and Pac-Man here. No biggie. Not to steer the direction of the thread, it just happened to be the EZA content on my mind in that moment. So maybe give that a try instead. But you can't pretend the Colin talk is offtopic.

And yeah, people will talk about it plenty more when CM's show goes public. Maybe trying again next week if this bothers you that much is the way to go.

For some of us this discussion is important, and it'd still be important to me even if it doesn't make a single damn difference (and I think it can). I didn't express my displeasure with Jones' decision because I thought it'd change the world or anything. It just felt right to me to say something. Let people discuss this as long as they feel the need for it.

Holundrian · Nov 30, 2017

CyReN said:
Please don't try and intertwine my thoughts on the recent podcasts to other real issues in the world. I'm only here to discuss videos games, I avoid politics and other topics like this for a reason. If you somehow see me in another thread, please feel free to bring them up.

Thanks.

Sure, I actually sincerely apologize for that(wording it in that way to form that implication as well as the snideness) I got frustrated and aped the dishonest shit I've seen people pull in here. That said if you really wanted to avoid it better wait until it blows over. This is the thread the mods determined to discuss this time relevant thing that happened. There is no other place for it. So as a natural result of all the decisions that have happened, people will discuss this until at least a few days after they heard the whole thing themselves. To be fair this board has a lot of places to only discuss videogames to escape to until the discussion has ran its course.

CyReN · Nov 30, 2017

Alucrid said:
has it been a week already? seems like you had a pretty good plan on how you should deal with this, not sure why you decided to renege on it after only a day.

Damn, you got me there. Well guess it's time for me to try and stick to my word now.

Best of luck everyone on this topic.

LiquidSolid · Nov 30, 2017

CyReN said:
Please don't try and intertwine me wanting to discuss the recent podcast(s) to other real issues in the world. I'm only here to discuss videos games and shows for those within the Easy Allies community, I avoid discussing politics and other topics like this for a reason. Thanks.

No-one's forcing you to be part of this community. Feel free to go somewhere else, bury your head in the sand and completely ignore real issues.

MrMette · Nov 30, 2017

Holundrian said:
Thanks. Funny though that 10 days of something harmless as this gets people so annoyed maybe they can start empathizing with people living a lifetime of having to deal with shitty sexist/racist/etc jokes/remarks/etc. That said I hear this cool advice a lot, maybe that works out, "you just have to ignore it and not make a big deal out of it."
L+R breh

I am sure most people here and on patreon (the ones that do care Brandon did that show and the ones who don't make that much of a deal about it) do agree that racism/sexism is a big issue and shouldn't exist. I always had the impression we had a very caring/kind community here and I would be very surprised if a big majority of this community isn't anti racism/sexism (it is common sense to me, but I understand it isn't for everybody in the world).

The fact is that the whole discussion keeps going in circles (I am at fault as well, I admit and this probably isn't helping) while most people of both parties agree on the big issues anyway. They just don't agree on how much that podcast appearance/talking to him is a problem.

Murasaki · Nov 30, 2017

The wider conversation here is about the kind of community we wish Easy Allies to be and that is a valuable and important conversation to have and that means talking about Moriarty. I'm sick of the man - I've had to swallow what I can only regard as a personal rebuke from Ian regarding one of my CoJ comments, which is immensely distressing to me, but as long as Moriarty is in the orbit of a group we care about, then we'll continue to talk about it.

We're posting on a forum that exists because thousands of people couldn't or wouldn't separate the product from the person.

Holundrian · Nov 30, 2017

MrMette said:
I am sure most people here and on patreon (the ones that do care Brandon did that show and the ones who don't make that much of a deal about it) do agree that racism/sexism is a big issue and shouldn't exist. I always had the impression we had a very caring/kind community here and I would be very surprised if a big majority of this community isn't anti racism/sexism (it is common sense to me, but I understand it isn't for everybody in the world).

The fact is that the whole discussion keeps going in circles (I am at fault as well, I admit and this probably isn't helping) while most people of both parties agree on the big issues anyway. They just don't agree on how much that podcast appearance/talking to him is a problem.

Again with that statement I just got frustrated. So also apologizing here again for the snideness. As for very caring/kind community. I dunno about that anymore. After the last 7 months. The reality of it is that we're just like every other community is how I feel. I witnessed people being ok with other people bullying, I witnessed people doing targeted trolling, I witnessed discrimination cause of where you post etc all in this community. Can't also say that I think reactions have been very caring when I look at all the "I don't care what Colin did driveby posts". Then we have the reality of the world all around that with things like Harvey Weinstein being exposed and how far reaching that was, Brexit being majorly motivated by xenophobia(according to that recent study) etc etc. When I look at these things I can't help it but be an annoying fuck that feels like he should speak up about how I don't think these things are ok. I tried staying silent and that didn't work at all with some of the stuff that I witnessed just going on for months.
The way I feel is I don't wanna speak about these things I wanna chill and only talk video games as well cause drama blows, but I also feel like I can either leave(what probably a few people would prefer strongly me to do) or close my eyes to any shittiness(which I'm no able to do).

MrMette · Nov 30, 2017

Murasaki said:
The wider conversation here is about the kind of community we wish Easy Allies to be and that is a valuable and important conversation to have and that means talking about Moriarty. I'm sick of the man - I've had to swallow what I can only regard as a personal rebuke from Ian regarding one of my CoJ comments, which is immensely distressing to me, but as long as Moriarty is in the orbit of a group we care about, then we'll continue to talk about it.

We're posting on a forum that exists because thousands of people couldn't or wouldn't separate the product from the person.

But that's the whole thing. I don't think Jones appearing on that podcast does that much for this community as you think it does. Although I do think it was a mistake to go on there and I agree that Colin seems to be a racist and asshole from what I have seen the whole discussion is more "how much does it matter to me that Jones talked to that guy".

Asking people to have 100% the same stance as you do about problems isn't really respecting them.
I understand why a lot of you don't feel like a racist deserves respect as it is a two-way street. But most people here arguing it isn't as much of a deal for them that he went to talk to Colin aren't racists at all. I don't see why you wouldn't want those people in the community.
Also, the only people who imo can ask specific people to leave this community are the Allies themselves.

I love EZA and I love this community. I am not leaving because some people here think more strongly about this thing than I do. That's absurd.

MrMette · Nov 30, 2017

Holundrian said:
Again with that statement I just got frustrated. So also apologizing here again for the snideness. As for very caring/kind community. I dunno about that anymore. After the last 7 months. The reality of it is that we're just like every other community is how I feel. I witnessed people being ok with other people bullying, I witnessed people doing targeted trolling, I witnessed discrimination cause of where you post etc all in this community. Can't also say that I think reactions have been very caring when I look at all the "I don't care what Colin did driveby posts". Then we have the reality of the world all around that with things like Harvey Weinstein being exposed and how far reaching that was, Brexit being majorly motivated by xenophobia(according to that recent study) etc etc. When I look at these things I can't help it but be an annoying fuck that feels like he should speak up about how I don't think these things are ok. I tried staying silent and that didn't work at all with some of the stuff that I witnessed just going on for months.
The way I feel is I don't wanna speak about these things I wanna chill and only talk video games as well cause drama blows, but I also feel like I can either leave(what probably a few people would prefer strongly me to do) or close my eyes to any shittiness(which I'm no able to do).

There always will be racists and assholes in the world and while I am sure some people in the EZA community are not nice people, I truly believe the majority are. I try to stay away from this kind of things because I otherwise do nothing else than posting (like I am the last few days) and I can't get anything else done. Not because I don't think it is important, but because it eats me up inside that I can't change how the world works and it stresses me out and makes me sick (I am literally getting sick, but that's probably because of the weather).

I am not from the UK but I was hoping Brexit wasn't going to happen all the same as a lot of younger people over there. The thing is that I would specifically have a look at the patreon posts. I am not saying other people aren't welcome, but there is less of a chance of people paying to talk shit instead of a semi-open forum.

Murasaki · Nov 30, 2017

MrMette said:
But that's the whole thing. I don't think Jones appearing on that podcast does that much for this community as you think it does. Although I do think it was a mistake to go on there and I agree that Colin seems to be a racist and asshole from what I have seen the whole discussion is more "how much does it matter to me that Jones talked to that guy".

Asking people to have 100% the same stance as you do about problems isn't really respecting them.
I understand why a lot of you don't feel like a racist deserves respect as it is a two-way street. But most people here arguing it isn't as much of a deal for them that he went to talk to Colin aren't racists at all. I don't see why you wouldn't want those people in the community.
Also, the only people who imo can ask specific people to leave this community are the Allies themselves.

I love EZA and I love this community. I am not leaving because some people here think more strongly about this thing than I do. That's absurd.

Who on earth has asked you, or anybody else to leave? I certainly have not. I find that accusation pretty fucking insulting. I have never once made any demands of the Allies or any member of the community. I have simply said that I am opposed to Moriarty appearing on any Easy Allies stream and uncomfortable with Jones appearing on Moriarty's show.

Alucrid · Nov 30, 2017

MrMette said:
But that's the whole thing. I don't think Jones appearing on that podcast does that much for this community as you think it does. Although I do think it was a mistake to go on there and I agree that Colin seems to be a racist and asshole from what I have seen the whole discussion is more "how much does it matter to me that Jones talked to that guy".

Asking people to have 100% the same stance as you do about problems isn't really respecting them.
I understand why a lot of you don't feel like a racist deserves respect as it is a two-way street. But most people here arguing it isn't as much of a deal for them that he went to talk to Colin aren't racists at all. I don't see why you wouldn't want those people in the community.
Also, the only people who imo can ask specific people to leave this community are the Allies themselves.

I love EZA and I love this community. I am not leaving because some people here think more strongly about this thing than I do. That's absurd.

again, i don't think the reason people are upset is because jones didn't side with them 100% of the time. simply that they felt, despite saying he was listening, their comments weren't taken into consideration after watching the coj video and that feeling was only strengthened by the decision to go on the show.

also i don't see anyone saying someone should be kicked out of the community. if you don't like this discussion and don't want to be a part of it, that's perfectly fine. take a break from the thread for a few days while it cools down. don't try and stifle a conversation that other members of the community are having by lobbying for the thread to be locked because the current conversation doesn't suit your own interests.

MrMette · Nov 30, 2017

Murasaki said:
Who on earth has asked you, or anybody else to leave? I certainly have not. I find that accusation pretty fucking insulting. I have never once, made any demands of the Allies or any member of the community. I have simply said that I am opposed to Moriarty appearing on any Easy Allies stream and uncomfortable with Jones appearing on Moriarty's show.

Hey man, I am sorry I suggested it and I am sorry you feel insulted. I apologize. I guess I read it wrong, English is not my mother tongue.
For the record, I am (and always have been) very much opposed to him going on an EZA streams as well and I am sure that is never going to happen either.

MrMette · Nov 30, 2017

Alucrid said:
again, i don't think the reason people are upset is because jones didn't side with them 100% of the time. simply that they felt, despite saying he was listening, their comments weren't taken into consideration after watching the coj video and that feeling was only strengthened by the decision to go on the show.

also i don't see anyone saying someone should be kicked out of the community. if you don't like this discussion and don't want to be a part of it, that's perfectly fine. take a break from the thread for a few days while it cools down. don't try and stifle a conversation that other members of the community are having by lobbying for the thread to be locked because the current conversation doesn't suit your own interests.

I read it wrong. I am sorry I said anything about that, I didn't want to put words in the mouths of others.
I am going to play some Stardew Valley to cool of before I make even more an ass of myself.

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