Really? Could you guys try to aim for even lower quality shitposting? Because so far I'm having a hard time figuring out how that would work out.
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Would you trust Valve to make a single player game now?
- Thread starter PenultimateFantasy
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Really? Could you guys try to aim for even lower quality shitposting? Because so far I'm having a hard time figuring out how that would work out.
That's fine. We'll just see how, if ever, a new SP game by Valve would look.
Well, isn't In the Valley of Gods coming next year, so we will see it soon.
Oh no, didn't you hear? It's not a Valve game, it's a Campo Santo game.
The Lab didn't have any real monetization I think?
I could definitely see Half Life VR, if the rumors are true, be a singleplayer game first and foremost without much of a focus on monetization (in its campaign at least).
I also still think they could make an amazing game. Even with the main team gone, The Lab was super polished and felt almost like a Nintendo product. Much like Blizzard and Nintendo, they have the cash flow (and drive) to keep prototyping and iterating until it's good.
The purpose here would be to make more people buy into the SteamVR platform. Once it gets going, sure they're going to lean back and focus on extracting cash.
I could definitely see Half Life VR, if the rumors are true, be a singleplayer game first and foremost without much of a focus on monetization (in its campaign at least).
I also still think they could make an amazing game. Even with the main team gone, The Lab was super polished and felt almost like a Nintendo product. Much like Blizzard and Nintendo, they have the cash flow (and drive) to keep prototyping and iterating until it's good.
The purpose here would be to make more people buy into the SteamVR platform. Once it gets going, sure they're going to lean back and focus on extracting cash.
Didn't they work on the game before the studio was acquired by Valve? Either way, if it's anything like firewatch then it's a far cry from what I meant by proper SP aka HL/portal.
Oh, so now games like Firewatch aren't "proper" singleplayer experiences (even though, you know, they don't feature any sort of multiplayer gameplay). Anything else we should know about "proper" singleplayer experiences?
Yes I would trust Valve to make a single-player game.
Also, I'm pretty sure you have no idea what the word "laity" means.
Oh, moving the goalpost then? Niiiice. Also, by that logic, shouldn't Red Read Revolver be considered as Capcom game instead of Rockstar game, as the studio started making it under Capcom?
And Firewatch and In the Valley of Gods is as proper SP as Half Life or Portal is. Just because you don't like that genre, doesn't make it not proper at all. Sheesh.
Read my first post regarding a potential HL3 release.
They don't come anything near HL (hell, even portal) in terms of scale/complexity. That's what I meant. And why are you bringing genre into this (which I like btw)?
Your first post doesn't say anything about "proper" singleplayer experiences... You've dug so much I think oil is going to come out sooner or later, keep going!
Also, games that aren't as complex as HL or Portal aren't "proper" singleplayer games? Come on...
You're comparing a HL game to a small scale game? Firewatch is a good game, but it's nothing like a HL/Portal game which I've yet to see.
lol at Firewatch not being proper SP. Get out with that bullshit.
They acquired Campo Santo, they have great writers.
Well last year it was a game I was planning on buying from an excellent indie developer and now it's a Valve game.
Read the whole discussion. It's a good game, but it's not as complex and big in terms of scale as HL.
There is no "whole discussion". Firewatch is a singleplayer game, and that's it. The distinction between "proper" SP games and Firewatch only exists in your head, as far as I can see. I mean, it's a game designed to be played by ONE player (as in, a SINGLE player). What's that? Oh, a singleplayer game.
I guess it's time to start begging Campo Santo for Half-Life 3 then.
At this point, I'd be fine with a totally different take that finished off the story.
It makes a difference when making a business choice regarding monetization.
Depends on who's making it. Their best writers are gone.
Edit: forgot they acquired Campo Santo. If those writers were involved, sure.
Edit: forgot they acquired Campo Santo. If those writers were involved, sure.
You can always count on Valve threads to deliver galaxy brain takes like these. Nice work, everyone.
Which one is that? As far as I know, all their SP releases are complete and not Early Access or something like that.
i could see a Sony-ish model where there's a slew of no-nonsense single player titles to attract/retain players to the platform if - and *if* - they seriously wanted to pursue SP games again. they have the resources, and i dunno if selling hats or whatever in half life or whatever campo santo does for them is really going to bring in cs:go and dota bucks so why bother
Firewatch is a walking simulater, there's no lose state, there's no consequences, there's just pretty visuals and sounds. There's little game in there.
Please note that the person who started the discussion on "proper" SP games wasn't arguing whether "walking simulators" are games or not. They were saying that Firewatch is not a "proper" SP game.
So you are adding information that is not really relevant.
Yes, I would trust them especially since they are only making VR games at the moment aside from Artifact. This inspires an extra layer of confidence specifically because the VR market is too small right now to start monetizing in the same way that big publishers squeeze the AAA industry.
On the topic of game quality, I believe they will succeed in making a killer app or several for VR. They aren't known for dropping quality on any of their titles, and if they want to do VR in the classic Valve way, they need to be the best of the best, which means a lot better than Astro Bot even.
On the topic of game quality, I believe they will succeed in making a killer app or several for VR. They aren't known for dropping quality on any of their titles, and if they want to do VR in the classic Valve way, they need to be the best of the best, which means a lot better than Astro Bot even.
She said lead, and in that regard I definitely agree. Chell has as much personality as, well... a shell.
The rest of the characters in Portal and Portal 2 - GLaDOS, Wheatley, Cave Johnson? Tons of personality. The lead character is sorely lacking in it though.
I see you forgot the complexity/scale part regarding a proper SP which I mentioned to that other person. And yes, a "walking simulator" is the opposite of a complex/large scale game.
That's exactly why they bought a studio making walking sims.
Really? Again with this made up stuff about "proper" SP? The other poster was also engaging in questionable distinctions between "games" and "walking simulators", but your "proper" SP game idea takes the cake.
Important distinction in terms of scale if the company goes for a monetization model. Firewatch vs HL.
Yup was their business model for awhile. I thought it was brilliant because the beginning of projects is the most risky, having to hire the team, hope you got the right people, hope your idea on paper pans out, it's literally all risk , all investment with no incoming money.
Valve would watch potential projects and teams and when they saw something promising which had moved out of the initial super risk phase they would acquire.
It's brilliant because they get to save on the initial risky part, get amazing talent that they can see works well together which is hard and expensive to find starting from scratch and they get to rebrand the game as Valve giving their brand a huge boost.
I know when I was there they did assist and help grow ideas of those they acquired but the biggest add was helping with polish something Valve is really good at that often those with amazing concepts and ideas don't have as much bandwidth for.
As far as their ability to deliver a single player game sure they could but it's my understanding that initial HL3 pitches just did not impress Gabe, then over time the market shifted and Gabe recognizes that at this point nothing they could deliver would meet lofty expectations unless of course you switch up the medium entirely removing comparison and disrupting fan expectation. Not to mention over the years obviously your employee base has some turn over which shifts culture.
In reality Valve like most companies change their focus over time and what they do needs to make sense business wise for the direction they want to head and the industry impact they want to have.
Valve would need a compelling reason why , other than just because as they tend to now do things to help forward other things along like VR and their service based games helps them continue to grow features within the steam platform and react to community feedback over long periods of time something they have been passionate about before community manager was a standard role at most other game companies.
An "important distinction" you added way after starting with "Firewatch is not a proper SP game". But I guess that's not "important".
It makes perfect sense to buy whole teams if you have the resources. Even in instances where they didn't buy them to make specific games or complete things they're working on, like when they bought the Tag: Power of Paint team, you at least have evidence that not only are they talented, but they also work together effectively. When you hire individuals, you have to hope they work within the corporate structure your company has. When buying whole teams, that's much less of a concern.
Unfortunately it leads to these bizarre discussions about how certain games don't count as 'Valve games' because reasons.
What on earth are you talking about? Seriously? A single player game is a game that is played by a single player. Complexity and scale don't have anything to do with it.
If you mean a AAA game as a "proper single player game", then please classify it so. Also a walking simulator can be damn complex and large scale, or are you going to claim that games like Myst, are not complex or large scale?
It was to clarify my point regarding complex vs simple games.
SP's definition is literally a game that is played by a single player.