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Bitanator

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Letting a dog eat a chicken like that with the bones is a good way to kill your dog. Stupid fucks

Edit: I've already admitted my ignorance on the subject further down, I had not known small chicken bones cooked or non cooked were still edible for dogs, no need to quote this anymore, I've already accepted the egg on my face here about five minutes after I posted this morning. Thanks.
 
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Of course dogs are okay with it if their human friends think it's something they should eat or it's something the human themselves eat.

If it's good for them is another story. Kinda yikes about the bones tbh.
 

Frank Lemon

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I've read that only applies to cooked chicken bones which get hard and sharp making them tough to chew and dangerous. Raw chicken bones are relatively soft and easy to chew.
 

Static

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah wtf. I thought it was common knowledge that you're never supposed to do that.
So I realize it may be a potential health risk but doesn't the likelihood of anything bad happening have to be super low? We're talking about the descendants of wolves, who have been killing and eating other wild animals, with no one to debone them, for hundreds of thousands of years.
 

Heromanz

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So I realize it may be a potential health risk but doesn't the likelihood of anything bad happening have to be super low? We're talking about the descendants of wolves, who have been killing and eating other wild animals, with no one to debone them, for hundreds of thousands of years.
Wolves have bones crushing jaws, most dogs don't.
 

hobblygobbly

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Dogs should not be eating raw meat like that as a diet and definitely not chicken bones (all bones are bad, but chicken is the worst) - bones build up in the stomach and can sit around for a while, and some dogs regurgitate it and can cause damage from the broken up sharp bones (it's worse going out than in), some dogs painfully pass it, some don't manage to pass it at all. It's not good for them. If you want to give a dog a bone, give it one it can't actually swallow but just chew on.

My grandfather used to breed and train work dogs, and their main meal was an unseasoned stew, chicken stock, sliced chicken breasts, carrots, peas, etc. A week's worth was produced and frozen, then batches reheated (and was nice and warm for them in winter). Dogs are domesticated animals, their stomachs are not like wild animals, they can digest raw meat better than humans yes, but it is not an ideal diet, it's fine for treats though.
 
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Liquor

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Oct 28, 2017
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A Raw food diet is the ideal diet for dogs and cats. They have a stronger stomach for breaking down meats than humans do (duh), short digestive tracks and jowls designed to rip and tear flesh, and cruch bone. A researched, well varied raw diet is incredibly healthy and beneficial to your pet over balls of disgusting kibble.

I had not known raw chicken bones were okay, you live and learn, I at least do not have a Sonic avatar
Lmfao.

....ok
 

lil jetski

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Nov 1, 2017
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Our two bull terriers eat nothing but raw meat and some veg. Kibbles are (largely) absolute shit and terrible for dogs.
 

Cyanity

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I had not known raw chicken bones were okay, you live and learn, I at least do not have a Sonic avatar

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Liquor

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Terrible how? I know many dogs who lived long and healthy lives without any raw diet stuff, so I'm curious
They get by. They are able to survive on it well enough. But they typically have health issues they normally wouldn't have. Dirty teeth, etc. I mean, we can survive on Fast Food but that isn't ideal tho, right? Why not give your dogs the best possible life?
 

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When my boy turns 2 I fully plan on trying a raw diet with him. Gave him steak on his first birthday and he went full primal, couldn't get enough.
 

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Didn't someone post a troll thread once freaking out because his dog ate raw beef and he was afraid it would get a taste for it and want to eat him?

Please tell me it was troll thread.
 

Liquor

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When my boy turns 2 I fully plan on trying a raw diet with him. Gave him steak on his first birthday and he went full primal, couldn't get enough.
My pup has been on a raw diet since he went to solid foods from the milk formula. He's 6 months old, about 40 pounds, extremely healthy and happy. He eats a variety of foods from pork, beef, lamb, chicken, fish, to occasional veggies and fruits. All raw, frozen before served and cleaned when needed.

3 meals a day, with no constant access to bowls of kibble.
 

Westbahnhof

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Oct 27, 2017
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lots of kibble is pretty bad for dogs. lots are high in fats/carbs and skimp out on protein. you have to do your research and the good stuff can get a little expensive and not sometimes sold in normal supermarkets.
Eh, I'd never buy pet food from a supermarket anyway. Nobody I know does, they buy from a special pet store.

They get by. They are able to survive on it well enough. But they typically have health issues they normally wouldn't have. Dirty teeth, etc. I mean, we can survive on Fast Food but that isn't ideal tho, right? Why not give your dogs the best possible life?
I'm just not sure that the best possible life is unachievable using good dog food.
Then again, dog nutrition is pretty crazy anyway. Knew a dog that used to eat whole bunches of grapes, from the vine and from the ground, for 13 years.
 

Liquor

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I'm just not sure that the best possible life is unachievable using good dog food.

There has been this highly successful push from business that has us thinking dogs and cats need to eat bags of kibble. Like human medicine, even vets are taught and pushed to be against "raw feeding". It's brainwashing at its finest. Dogs are carnivores. And we are doing them a disservice by not giving them what their bodies need.
 

Coolness

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There has been this highly successful push from business that has us thinking dogs and cats need to eat bags of kibble. Like human medicine, even vets are taught and pushed to be against "raw feeding". It's brainwashing at its finest. Dogs are carnivores. And we are doing them a disservice by not giving them what their bodies need.
Dogs are omnivores. They need a balanced diet, raw or otherwise.
 

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My pup has been on a raw diet since he went to solid foods from the milk formula. He's 6 months old, about 40 pounds, extremely healthy and happy. He eats a variety of foods from pork, beef, lamb, chicken, fish, to occasional veggies and fruits. All raw, frozen before served and cleaned when needed.

3 meals a day, with no constant access to bowls of kibble.
What size/breed? I've got an 85lb shepherd, and my main concern is the amount I'll need to feed him. I definitely want him on the best diet possible, I just don't want him eating me out of house and home either. I'm currently weaning him off the Royal Canin shepherd puppy kibble to the adult stuff. He seems to like it, and it is high in protein.
 

Westbahnhof

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There has been this highly successful push from business that has us thinking dogs and cats need to eat bags of kibble. Like human medicine, even vets are taught and pushed to be against "raw feeding". It's brainwashing at its finest. Dogs are carnivores. And we are doing them a disservice by not giving them what their bodies need.
Dogs are not carnivores, come on. I actually thought you knew your stuff. Bit of a letdown.
 

Liquor

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Dogs are omnivores. They need a balanced diet, raw or otherwise.

Dogs have the ability to adapt, and they (like humans) can survive on a variety of things. That doesn't change their genetic structure however. And it doesn't make the actual food designed for them be less designed for them. A raw whole prey diet it just better for them.

What size/breed? I've got an 85lb shepherd, and my main concern is the amount I'll need to feed him. I definitely want him on the best diet possible, I just don't want him eating me out of house and home either. I'm currently weaning him off the Royal Canin shepherd puppy kibble to the adult stuff. He seems to like it, and it is high in protein.

I currently have a Siberian Husky (with another dog of a different kind on the way next year). Currently 40 lbs. It CAN be expensive. If cost are a concern, doing a blend or making the raw meals less frequent would help with that.

Dogs are not carnivores, come on. I actually thought you knew your stuff.

Short digestive tracks, high concentration of stomach acids (like Wolves, coyotes, etc), a lack of the enzymes in their mouths that start digestion in herbivorous animals. No flat teeth for grinding (and their jaws not being able to grind left and right).

Seems to hit all the marks of a carnivore. They can eat other things and their bodies can pull nutrition from them, but that is not the ideal diet.
 

SecondNature

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Dog back home eats nothing but rice, curry, fish, and raw and cooked meats. Did not realize bones were such a big no-no
 

Lumination

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I've vaguely followed the raw feeding movement for a few years and I'm still not sure if it's scientifically backed or closer to "all-natural" anti-vax type of pseudoscience. Will have to do the reading when I do decide to commit to a pet.
 

Westbahnhof

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Short digestive tracks, high concentration of stomach acids (like Wolves, coyotes, etc), a lack of the enzymes in their mouths that start digestion in herbivorous animals. No flat teeth for grinding (and their jaws not being able to grind left and right).

Seems to hit all the marks of a carnivore. They can eat other things and their bodies can pull nutrition from them, but that is not the ideal diet.

  • Animal Foods
    • birds
    • mammals
    • amphibians
    • reptiles
    • fish
    • eggs
    • carrion
    • insects
    • terrestrial non-insect arthropods
  • Plant Foods
    • seeds, grains, and nuts
    • fruit
https://animaldiversity.org/accounts/Canis_lupus_familiaris/

It's at least contested. From our friend, wikipedia:
Dogs have been described as carnivores[115][116] or omnivores.[16][117][118][119] Unlike obligate carnivores, domestic dogs (and wild canids) can adapt to a wide-ranging diet, and are not dependent on meat-specific protein nor a very high level of protein in order to fulfill their basic dietary requirements. Dogs can healthily digest a variety of foods, including vegetables, fruits and grains, and can consume a large proportion of these in their diet, and some sources do not recommend all-meat diets for dogs, due to their lack of calcium and iron.[16] Compared to wolves, dogs have genes involved in starch digestion that contribute to an increased ability to thrive on a starch-rich diet.[18]

I'm not sure how you could call them carnivores, considering the starch digestion.
I think BARF sounds better than a raw-meat based diet.
The BARF diet was originally defined as Bones And Raw Food diets but has since been changed to Biologically Appropriate Raw Food. The original BARF diet was popularized by Dr. Ian Billinghurst, advocating feeding 60% raw, meaty bones. The rest of the diet is to be composed of a wide variety of foods including vegetables, grains and legumes.
 

Liquor

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Dog back home eats nothing but rice, curry, fish, and raw and cooked meats. Did not realize bones were such a big no-no
Cooked meats are a no no. The main concern of course are the bones. Cooking bones makes them brittle, and easy to break into sharp points. Also cooking removes all the nutrients from both the bones AND meat. Cooking meat is a thing humans have to do because raw meat will kill us.

I'm always so perplexed when people go so hard on dogs for eating meat, and in the same breath champion meat for humans. It's backwards. Like, go bite the ass of a deer without any prep (cooking, skinning, etc) and see how far you get.
 

Liquor

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https://animaldiversity.org/accounts/Canis_lupus_familiaris/

It's at least contested. From our friend, wikipedia:


I'm not sure how you could call them carnivores, considering the starch digestion.
I'm not disagreeing this (as I stated above). Dogs can and do survive on a multitude of things. However, dogs most resemble their own wild family (wolves), and like them do their best on a diet more suited for carnivores. I even admit to occasionally giving my dog vegetables and fruit (again, above). Even seeds.

Wolves and dogs with wolf significant content can barely digest kibble, and will almost immediately get sick trying to survive on it.

EDIT - The BARF diet is exactly what I do, actually. Because it's mostly meat, and the focus of this thread has been meats, I didn't clarify that.