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Within 10 years all games will be digital anyway. In many markets outside USA well before that is my guess (due to better Internet infrastructure).
Eh, most markets outside the US have worse internet infrastructure than the US, digital adoption will take even longer for those markets. On top of that, internet infrastructure isnt the only factor that pushes digital adoption. Japan has had some of the best internet infrastructure in the world for years and yet digital adoption is low, because consumers there prefer physical media. Physical media is not going to go away any time soon.
 

PlanetSmasher

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GameStop treats their workforce arguably worse than just about anyone in the entire retail industry. Low wages, huge expectations and pressure, everyone treated like they dont matter and are replaceable, and a huge disconnect between employees at the store level and corporate.

Its toxic frankly.

While I feel for those that will lose their jobs if and when GameStop goes under or decides to shrink down their operations, in the long run for many it will be for the best. There are much better opportunities, even those on the low entry level end for people.

But what are the alternatives for customers? Best Buy and Wal-Mart don't carry anything but the biggest releases.
 

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This sucks because they're still the best store to trade new-ish games in to. It really helps ease the burden of buying something not very good like AC Odyssey, you end up getting most of the money back. If it was digital you're stuck with that shit forever.

Or first party support for a refund which is an experience worse than playing the game.
 

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Yes? I'm talking about the reselling culture, i don't like it and i don't agree it.



I'm still saving money to get a car and no, never resold anything in my life.



Still don't have a car, see above.
If i can't fit in clothing i either give them for free or throw them in the bin.

"Never resold anything in your life"

Must be nice.
 

daegan

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GameStop treats their workforce arguably worse than just about anyone in the entire retail industry. Low wages, huge expectations and pressure, everyone treated like they dont matter and are replaceable, and a huge disconnect between employees at the store level and corporate.

Its toxic frankly.

There were a handful of folks when I worked my way up at the top of the field organization who had been "in the trenches." Once they were both gone, life got really different really fast. It's frustratinf to watch happen.
 

kennyamr

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Isn't that mostly because of their mobile-business sale?
Their total sales haven't been bad this past quarter actually.

I think the headline makes it seem like they are already doomed.
Of course, they have hurdles to overcome in the future, but so far it's not as bad as that headline makes it seem.

http://news.gamestop.com/news-relea...third-quarter-fiscal-2018-results-and-updates
"Total global sales increased 4.8% (increased 6.3% in constant currency) to $2.1 billion, resulting in a consolidated comparable store sales increase of 2.1% (3.4% increase in the U.S. and 0.5% decrease internationally). New hardware sales increased 12.8%, driven by demand for Xbox One X and Sony PS4. New software sales increased 10.9% driven by the strong slate of titles that launched during the quarter. Accessories sales increased 32.6% on the strength of headset and controller sales. Pre-owned sales declined 13.4%.

Digital receipts increased 29.5% to $341.6 million driven primarily by strength in sales of digital currency.

Collectibles sales increased 11.7% to $154.6 million due to continued growth in both our domestic and international collectibles business.

Technology Brands operating earnings increased 29.4% to $23.3 million compared to $18.0 million in the prior-year quarter, despite an 11.9% decline in sales to $171.1 million, primarily due to store closures relative to fiscal 2017.
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Excluding the non-operating impairment charges, GameStop's adjusted net income for the third quarter increased 24.0% to $68.3 million, compared to adjusted net income of $55.1 million in the prior-year quarter."
 
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thediamondage

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The headlines are really off on this, gamestop is profitable from a cash flow perspective but they had to write down stuff that used to be "intangibly" worth $x but is worth x/10 now. Whether thats used game value (our million copies of COD Ghosts used to be worth $40m but now its only worth $4m) or whether its companies they purchased like all the mobile game stuff, collectible stuff, etc. They also sold their Cricket partnership thing for $700m in cash so that offset a lot of those "we were dumb buyers of anything hot" streak they had going for a while.

In reality gamestop is fine from a strict $$ perspective but completely fucked as a public company since they basically aren't growing at all, in fact they project next year they will dip down 0-2% in revenue and probably more in profit. Thats fine if its your local ma & pa shop who just wanna pay salary, cover rent, and take home some money but not fine if you are a public company owned by shareholders.

They are pretty much close to being taken private by an equity firm, who will most likely just run the company down by slashing costs, loading the company up with tons of debt, and then shutting everything down when the debt gets too big. Same thing happened with Toys r Us. Its a 6-10 year cycle though so thats probably about how long Gamestop has.

There is some version of Gamestop that could grow and thrive but its probably never gonna happen. Their website is beyond ass, as we saw over the holiday periods the system losing orders, double billing, not updating, etc. Their inventory and pricing engines are terrible. Their real core strength, having 7k+ stores across the USA, is horribly mismanaged by having very weak IT to support people who want to impulse buy stuff and walk out with it within an hour. Sure, they could position themselves as the amazon of video games but they would have to literally rewrite the company from the ground up for that, and every year they get worse rather than better in speed and reliability.
 

Benji

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But what are the alternatives for customers? Best Buy and Wal-Mart don't carry anything but the biggest releases.

Digital storefronts. That's the way the entire industry is transitioning to anyways.

Next gen games will have 60% or higher digital share commonly. I understand that's not what everyone wants but it's the way things are headed
 

VariantX

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That's good, they made a fuckton of money by reselling used game and publisher won't get shit every time GS reseless an used copy.
Thanks to digital first, subscription model will soon hurt their business model.

Suck for the people losing job if GS is going to close, but that's business.

Did you even stop to consider this is far less of an issue than it used to be thanks to the the industry transitioning into a services model? They're likely beginning to be able to make a bit of money on those used physical copies being sold at GS because of microtransactions. Money they couldn't make at all in the years before because they were on a different model of "make the game, then pump out a sequel as soon as possible if successful." A physical copy sitting on a collector's shelf aint making them money. A cheaper, used copy sitting on GS's display in a store has a chance at exposing someone else to their digital in-game stores.
 

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I always liked browsing GameStop, but I haven't purchased anything from there in a decade plus. It felt a bit antiquated, even when they were new. And here we are in 2018 and they haven't really changed. Except to dedicate more space to collectibles no one really wants.
 

Tbm24

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I primarily buy my stuff at GameStop. If I have to only shop online or in major chains like Best Buy or target that's gonna be a massive bummer.

Same if/when think geek stores go down.
 

daegan

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But what are the alternatives for customers? Best Buy and Wal-Mart don't carry anything but the biggest releases.
BB carries a lot of smaller titles in some stores, some of which are de facto exclusives. Even Walmart gets some games that would surprise you (but they don't always remember to add them to their planogram, oddly.) But overall you're not wrong.
 

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Digital storefronts. That's the way the entire industry is transitioning to anyways.

Next gen games will have 60% or higher digital share commonly. I understand that's not what everyone wants but it's the way things are headed
That's not really a good answer though, not on a closed console platform.
 

Benji

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Tbh its looking like there is a strong possibility the company is going to be privatized. It's something they are actively looking into
 

Rodjer

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You don't have to name call. Maybe he's a creator or know if some whom have been affected by this.

People are too quickly to judge without knowing what's the story behind my stance.

My dad had a reseller shop -> I and my mother lived like homeless people becuase my dad didn't want to spend money and all our personal things were from his reseller shop -> One day he bought goods from a reseller-> The goods were actually stolen from a company -> They asked a fuckton of money to get their goods back because he had no "recepit" or "proof of purchase" and they claimed he was the thief -> My dad didn't have money and now he has a debt on top of his head -> No reseller shop -> He sold his own house. Not going further, all this mess happened 10 years ago, and now i'm here repaying the mistakes of my father with my own money and this whole company won't let me alone despite it was my father's fault, there's more on this story but it's too much, the whole "reselling business" ruined my childhood life and my family and now i still have to deal with this mess, and i promised to myself and my mother to avoid every type of reselling after all this mess. I'm done with this thread, i already said more than enough.
 

t26

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BB carries a lot of smaller titles in some stores, some of which are de facto exclusives. Even Walmart gets some games that would surprise you (but they don't always remember to add them to their planogram, oddly.) But overall you're not wrong.
And then there are games that are only getting a physical release as a Gamestop exclusive. If Gamestop is gone they are digital only.
 

Pancakes R Us

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That's good, they made a fuckton of money by reselling used game and publisher won't get shit every time GS reseless an used copy.
Thanks to digital first, subscription model will soon hurt their business model.

Suck for the people losing job if GS is going to close, but that's business.
I'll never understand this approach, that it's an issue that publishers won't get money when a used copy is sold. Why is this an issue for the games industry? You can buy second hand books, furniture, cars and all sorts of things where the original creator won't get money for it. The original creator gets money for the first sale.
 

night814

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I love the idea of a mainstream "gaming centric" store. Hopefully they can fix their business model and be more acceptable.
Good idea would be to cut a lot of their non-gaming or gaming tangent merch. Are people going to a GameStop to buy a tablet, Pokemon plushies, and Funko pops; maybe but I can't imagine they sell enough to justify the sheer clutter in some of these stores.
 

Shadownet

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LOL there was a Steam sale last week. And there will be another one during Christmas. Steam and PC market do more sales in a month than GameStop in a year.
Yeah but I got Assassin's Creed Odyssey for PS4 for $27 at GameStop. Most other places was at least $30 for Black Friday.

There are some great deals if you look.
 

DeuceGamer

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GameStop is in serious trouble.

As much as I dislike GameStop and their practices I hope they figure something out to get out of this. They are one of the few places that always has copies of niche games as well as a lot of people potentially losing their jobs.
 

Firima

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They only have themselves to blame. They have not made the transition into an era that includes physical and digital well at all.

Considering how eager gamers were to circle the wagons and protect GameStop-kun from evil M$ at the beginning of the generation, to the extent of driving a major console competitor into the wilderness, it's completely understandable that corporate GameStop's takeaway was that the used games market is here to stay. It was a pretty enormous market signal.
 

ScoutDave

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I dunno how or if this would affect EB Games if Gamestop went under. But im one of the few who have nothing but good experiences i feel at EB. It might help im childhood friends with the manager there though. But EB closing would be shitty for people like me. The vast majority of games i play are musous. And i can tell you my local Walmart and Best Buy never stock any type of warrior/musou games unless they are Nintendo based (ala FEW/HW). It would mean i would be forced to get all my games online.
 

Splader

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Yes let's hope physical game retail completely dies. Not like that screws everybody. Be happy tens of thousands of people are out of work.

Physical retail isn't going anywhere, but even Gamestop themselves are switching over to merch to supplement their income. You'll always have Walmart, Target, BestBuy, and other Brick and Mortar stores to sell physical games, usually with better deals even.

As for people losing their jobs, it's a retail job. A decent retail job sure, but there are thousands more out there.
 

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I'll never understand this approach, that it's an issue that publishers won't get money when a used copy is sold. Why is this an issue for the games industry? You can buy second hand books, furniture, cars and all sorts of things where the original creator won't get money for it. The original creator gets money for the first sale.

People sell used games to to buy new games. The person doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Digital storefronts. That's the way the entire industry is transitioning to anyways.

Next gen games will have 60% or higher digital share commonly. I understand that's not what everyone wants but it's the way things are headed

Then the industry needs to ditch its "you spent money, fuck you" policy on refunds. Either they make it so we're allowed to trade our "digital rights" to others or they institute a no questions asked refund policy. Digital distribution is shit and explicitly biased in favor of the console manufacturer at the expense of the consumer.
 

spidye

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That's good, they made a fuckton of money by reselling used game and publisher won't get shit every time GS reseless an used copy.
Thanks to digital first, subscription model will soon hurt their business model.

Suck for the people losing job if GS is going to close, but that's business.
This post oh boy

Yeah the publishers should get more money and all the people working at gamestop...screw them

Those poor publishers though
 

Benji

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Then the industry needs to ditch its "you spent money, fuck you" policy on refunds. Either they make it so we're allowed to trade our "digital rights" to others or they institute a no questions asked refund policy. Digital distribution is shit and explicitly biased in favor of the console manufacturer at the expense of the consumer.

Yeah for sure there are a lot of things that should be done to strengthen things on the side of the consumer in regards to digital distribution. Atm it's essentially giving away most of your rights in exchange for convenience.

Hopefully as digital grows we will see things improve though honestly I'm not sure people will push back enough
 
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And it looks like from the article if they hadn't sold Spring Mobile for $700 million then would have had a loss over a billion ?
 

Kass15

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There have been some locations that have been awful but the locations I have kept going back to the employees are great and very helpful. It's nice to preorder something and know for a fact you will get the item. Sometimes Best Buy/Amazon etc will cancel the item last minute before expected shipment date. It's also nice to have a location to browse for old/new games and buy and take home same day. GameStop needs to come up with something to incentivize people to shop there besides mediocre exclusive dlc or posters. Need to either figure out some sort of discount program to make up for the loss of GCU or possibly selling physical games earlier than digital. Honestly, it might be too little too late unfortunately. Companies that stay stagnant and don't innovate will be left in the dust.
 

Splader

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Then the industry needs to ditch its "you spent money, fuck you" policy on refunds. Either they make it so we're allowed to trade our "digital rights" to others or they institute a no questions asked refund policy. Digital distribution is shit and explicitly biased in favor of the console manufacturer at the expense of the consumer.

We're already getting there. Steam has had a no questions asked return policy for a while, and MS I believe either has it up or it's still in testing.
Of course this if you haven't played past a certain amount of time of the game, which is pretty reasonable.
 

lactatingduck

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Or maybe he/she didn't have anything to sell? I have no idea but if people have said they have had a rough life I will believe them. It is a strange view of reselling though, but to each of their own I guess..
Never said they didn't have a rough life. Only said that financially it must not have been that bad since they never had to sell anything AND never had to buy something used.
 

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Then the industry needs to ditch its "you spent money, fuck you" policy on refunds. Either they make it so we're allowed to trade our "digital rights" to others or they institute a no questions asked refund policy. Digital distribution is shit and explicitly biased in favor of the console manufacturer at the expense of the consumer.

Also one day a platform holder can say "fuck you" and lock you out of all your digital purchase. What a great future.
 
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god, THANK YOU. i've had bad and good experiences with them, but they employ somewhere around 65,000 people (22,000 full time according to Wikipedia). i have no idea how many of them would have trouble finding work elsewhere, but you know that income counts. hell, it would count for me if I worked part time there.

We should have a society that trains them and feeds them and houses them so that they can get a fulfilling job with a good organization rather than one that expects them to live hand-to-mouth while working for a poorly-run, consumer-unfriendly company.

Maybe y'all should be more concerned about creating those opportunities for workers via political power than hoping that a bad company stays alive in a marketplace that it doesn't understand how to operate in anymore and pretending that the latter is a reasonable way of thinking.
 

Aztechnology

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The headlines are really off on this, gamestop is profitable from a cash flow perspective but they had to write down stuff that used to be "intangibly" worth $x but is worth x/10 now. Whether thats used game value (our million copies of COD Ghosts used to be worth $40m but now its only worth $4m) or whether its companies they purchased like all the mobile game stuff, collectible stuff, etc. They also sold their Cricket partnership thing for $700m in cash so that offset a lot of those "we were dumb buyers of anything hot" streak they had going for a while.

In reality gamestop is fine from a strict $$ perspective but completely fucked as a public company since they basically aren't growing at all, in fact they project next year they will dip down 0-2% in revenue and probably more in profit. Thats fine if its your local ma & pa shop who just wanna pay salary, cover rent, and take home some money but not fine if you are a public company owned by shareholders.

They are pretty much close to being taken private by an equity firm, who will most likely just run the company down by slashing costs, loading the company up with tons of debt, and then shutting everything down when the debt gets too big. Same thing happened with Toys r Us. Its a 6-10 year cycle though so thats probably about how long Gamestop has.

There is some version of Gamestop that could grow and thrive but its probably never gonna happen. Their website is beyond ass, as we saw over the holiday periods the system losing orders, double billing, not updating, etc. Their inventory and pricing engines are terrible. Their real core strength, having 7k+ stores across the USA, is horribly mismanaged by having very weak IT to support people who want to impulse buy stuff and walk out with it within an hour. Sure, they could position themselves as the amazon of video games but they would have to literally rewrite the company from the ground up for that, and every year they get worse rather than better in speed and reliability.

Hence why public companies suck. I mean not really, I understand it. I just hate the cycle which is so focused on excessive/unsustainable growth and poor job security for employees.

Would be nice to have a large chain just focused on sustainable business and service.

In a nutshell
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But replace planet with Business.
 
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I've had my fair share of bad experiences and run ins with bad policies at GameStop like the next guy, and I rarely ever shop there unless I'm trading stuff in, but I don't want to see them go away. I'd rather they restructure, improve themselves and retain their employees.
 

ScoutDave

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There have been some locations that have been awful but the locations I have kept going back to the employees are great and very helpful. It's nice to preorder something and know for a fact you will get the item. Sometimes Best Buy/Amazon etc will cancel the item last minute before expected shipment date.

This is also true. I personally have confidence in my EB if i preorder something even if its something rare or a collectors edition, i know ill get it the day im supposed too. I have seen a lot of posts, even on this very forum of people having their orders cancelled or delayed from Amazon or Best Buy.
 

HomokHarcos

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Sucks that people will lose their jobs but what's GameStop to do??

Going into GameStop fucking sucks. No I don't want a used game or some accessories. I want the game I walked in and immediately ask for. It's not the employees fault but I don't like being asked if I want some other thing. When I go into any other store I cashier rings me up and it's done, no questions on other shit I don't want. Just one of the many reason I myself don't shop there anymore. I don't want to feel uncomfortable shopping.

I hate how they sometimes badger you to pre-order a game. They tried to do that for Mortal Kombat X.
 
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Also what you guys dont realize is that without trades a lot of new games wouldnt be sold so publishers would see significant cuts in sales.
Some people can only afford 3-4 games a year but by trading it helps get them 4-5 more than they could otherwise, trades also dont hurt publishers becuase gamestop already bought the disc from them.
 

Uno Venova

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Then the industry needs to ditch its "you spent money, fuck you" policy on refunds. Either they make it so we're allowed to trade our "digital rights" to others or they institute a no questions asked refund policy. Digital distribution is shit and explicitly biased in favor of the console manufacturer at the expense of the consumer.
Unfortunately it seems like Publishers have no incentive to change their policies. Year over year gamers are giving up rights right now for convenience.

As more and more physical stores die, and digital is the primary choice to buy games, what choice will we really have.