Thinking this must have happened somewhere else, but please don't do this:
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Ty to ResetEra poster for early link for us youtube plebs ;P"
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Ty to ResetEra poster for early link for us youtube plebs ;P"
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Easy Allies |OT| The New Era
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There was a poster earlier that got banned for piracy after offering a link, so unfortunately it might be referring to that.
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Definitely not cool to share stuff like that.
No, this was in regards to our podcast. I found the post in the DMC 5 thread. Looks like it was a mistake.
Ah yeah that makes more sense, sorry about that.
Also Blood, I don't think I've said this yet but I really appreciate you spending some of your time with the community here. It must get tough when the mood of the thread's like this but I'd like to thank you for it too.
Blood I don't know if you're up early like me or staying up late but if it's the latter go to bed damn it! You work too hard and need some good rest!
Unrelated to any of the recent events but Xenoblade 2 IS OUT TOMORROW!!!!
Though if you cannot wait one more day, you can buy it on Amazon.jp or the JP eShop to play it today (I think it unlocks at 11am ET and 8am PT but it might be 12am/9am). That's what I did for Odyssey and I'll be doing the same now. Game preloads so you can just jump in as soon as it unlocks.
Edit: Actually, never mind. XB2 for some reason only has japanese if bought from the JP eshop, which is weird because all the other Nintendo games are international.
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So he did the show anyway? What was he asking feedback for then? Probably would have been better just to do the show unannounced, and claim ignorance afterwards.
Can someone please confirm whether the summary made earlier in this thread is accurate? Will pull my Patreon support for the coming month if it is.
Apologies in advance to the other Allies. If I could give a la carte, I would.
Apologies in advance to the other Allies. If I could give a la carte, I would.
I would say just wait and listen to it yourself when it becomes public tomorrow.
Unfortunately today is the final day of the month, so payment will be coming out tomorrow if I don't unsub today.
We should accept that there is people in the world that thinks so and we shouldn't ignore them but we should engage them in dialogue.
We could and should be able to discuss and argue about everything, I personally don't thinkt it's okay that anyone doesn't acknowledge racism and we should enlighten them about it. Dialogue is always key.
Colin as a person, either you like or you don't, but I think he's always fair in his discussions, he have strong opinions and in a media where everything is liberalism you probably stand out as a conservative.
No I don't think that it is outlandish.
I mean if you're really that worried about it pull support today just for being unsure and making you feel that way and tomorrow if you feel like it was merited or not you can resubscribe or don't.
Does that dialogue need to be in the form of a monetised YouTube video? Would a telephone call or meeting over coffee not suffice?
The feedback probably wasn't unanimously "don't do it". I'd assume many were encouraging him to be a guest. And the feedback might have affected what they talked during the podcast. It's odd to think that only the feedback someone personally agrees with should be taken in consideration. That's not how feedback works, you can't please everyone and make changes/decisions based on every bit of invidual feedback since those can be conflicting.
Ofcourse it entirely fair and understandable to be disappointed that Brandon was his guest. And like he said, it's admirable when people take a hard stance like with dropping the Patreon pledge.
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So the conversation wasn't even really about games but just a way for Colin to legitimize himself?
Fan-fucking-tastic.
Fan-fucking-tastic.
They talked about other things too (according to Twitter), those weren't just included in the summary shared here.
It was a bit more than a few individuals, also part of said feedback included undeniable facts about why Colin is not a good person and for a cherry on top bullied a member of the EZA community. I frankly don't care if the majority of online responses were in support of it ( a lot of which can come from Colin's camp), there were enough red flags for Jones to use better judgement.
I understand he does that but I think you might have just did the same thing, no? I believe he was receiving a lot more than just non hysterical dialogue.
I highly recommend you do this, it's been doing wonders for my giggle meter!
Sure, I don't know the percentage who were in favor or against. And many weren't even aware and didn't voice their opinion at all. I was aware but still didn't reach to Jones directly through Patreon or Twitter. Ofcourse it's possible that he went against the majority wishes.
Yea you pretty much nailed it re: feedback. Of course it's odd to think only feedback with which you agree matters. Unfortunately, there's a lot of that odd thinking going on.
And contrary to Man-is-Obsolete 's point, the majority of the CoJ discussion came from patron comments and not twitter. So to say a lot of the feedback to go onto the show came from Colin's camp is a bit silly.
Frankly I'm surprised we're even still talking about this topic. I received a temporary ban for "derailing" the thread yesterday. Yet i come back a day later and it's still all anyone is talking about.
Anyways, i thought it was good BJ at least told people he supports them pulling their pledge if that's what they want to do.
While I do agree it would have been better if he didn't go on there (because it would clearly hurt the community somewhat), it is somewhat weird to me that you say he shouldn't listen to the majority of people mainly because you think they were wrong.
See the patreon posts as some sort of investors-meeting (like Jones already said before). Even here a lot of people were mainly opposed to CM coming onto EZA stuff (until the whole harassment thing went on), plenty of people here said they wouldn't find it as bad if Jones went to that show.
I do agree, I wouldn't have gone myself, but I am not sure if that's "better judgement" or not. It is just my opinion and the opposite opinion is just as valid imho.
I understand why he went if the majority of people didn't react or weren't against him going on that show.
Decided to pause my EZA sub for a month, and send a message explaining why I made that decision. It should automatically come back online for January.
Yea...
I'm going to need some sort of statement personally. Cause "Love & Respect" seems like a worthless motto to me right now. Just use it to conveniently hide behind for certain stuff.
What a gigantic, miscommunicated mess.
Frankly with the evidence available, you shouldn't need a "vote" to determine whether or not you should appear on Colin's show. That and the fact that Colin likes to use his fanbase as a cudgel (and actually did in the case of one EZA member who had made a respectful message to Jones and didn't @ Colin) should have been enough.
I said earlier in the thread that I didn't like him going on, but as long as Colin wasn't in EZA content I'd be fine. That was under the assumption that Jones would go on and talk about games. I had no idea at all he would even consider talking about the actual controversy with Colin and that summary posted earlier paints a pretty bleak picture of the discussion. I'll wait until a better summary comes out or I might end up listening to it tomorrow, but this whole thing soured me far more than I initially expected. I'm not a current patron, but I subscribe to the twitch channel and contribute to the patreon on and off, I probably won't be doing that in the future. Maybe that summary was all wrong and tomorrow I'll change my mind, but as it stands I don't have much desire to continue supporting EZA (and by extension Brandon), which is a shame considering there are a lot of good shows there that I think are worth supporting.
Someone posted that it's available to the public Friday.
My thing is if majority of people say they are fine with it, but a few people bring to light evidence that shows he is sexist and supports racists ideologies then the latter supercedes the former. And yes that does require one's own better judgement to make that call. The right thing to do is not always the popular thing.
Yeah definitely watching Tabletop first then. This even being a thing just totally sucks. :(
And in my opinion "the right thing to do" is also an opinion that can be different for everybody. Not everybody believes that talking to a racist is not done (even though you they don't agree with them). That doesn't make that person a racist, you can talk to people even though you don't agree with them perfectly fine.
To judge this is something every person have to make out for themselves imo. What I have read from Colin is appalling and I hope nobody agrees with it (I certainly don't) , but to me that doesn't mean you can't talk to him anymore about other things.
I understand your point of view, it is a valid point of view. I don't see how mine isn't. I just don't see how you shouldn't talk to him because he is a racist asshole. I am sure the EZA community knows that the people in EZA aren't racist.
I do agree that I was suspecting him to talk about video games and although I understand they both felt they had to address this whole thing, I am not sure if this was the smartest thing to do.
Not to derail current conversation, but LET'S GET A LOOK AT THE FRONTRUNNERS FOR NEXT WEEKS GROUP STREAM
Seeing quite a few other meta-concept streams in the mix (great stuff!) but none have yet built up the momentum to make the top 10. Gang Beasts peaks the polls once again, but in my personal opinion it's likely headin' straight into the Ineligibility Fridge™, unless it's recent PS4 release is enough to push it over the edge.
I actually think Space Channel 5 will suffer a similar fate as it is lacking a freshness in the top 4 that will make it look less exciting, I think the real race here will be between our likely lower bracket on Jeopardy! and Mario Party 2. Given the increased appetite for audience participation, I'm sticking my flag in the ground that next week's group stream will be Jeopardy!
Seeing quite a few other meta-concept streams in the mix (great stuff!) but none have yet built up the momentum to make the top 10. Gang Beasts peaks the polls once again, but in my personal opinion it's likely headin' straight into the Ineligibility Fridge™, unless it's recent PS4 release is enough to push it over the edge.
I actually think Space Channel 5 will suffer a similar fate as it is lacking a freshness in the top 4 that will make it look less exciting, I think the real race here will be between our likely lower bracket on Jeopardy! and Mario Party 2. Given the increased appetite for audience participation, I'm sticking my flag in the ground that next week's group stream will be Jeopardy!
The Easy Allies are still a relatively new venture, and even though Brandon is very experienced from an industry perspective, he's still learning to navigate the waters of this new format. I am willing to bet that there were internal discussions among the other Allies, who I am sure brought their own concerns to the table. While I am not a fan of Colin personally, even before learning of all the issues surrounding him, I am sure Jones was put in a tough spot. It's easy for us as outsiders to view things as cut and dry, but Jones knew Colin and had worked with him tangentially in the past. I am sure this was not an easy decision for him personally, given all the factors and his history with Colin. I appreciate his attempt to be transparent with Patreons, and while the message of it could have been improved, he was not trying to hide anything or spring anything on anyone. I completely understand if people want to lapse their support, but at least for me, I think it's unlikely that all nine Allies opinions and beliefs will be in lockstep all the time, let alone line up with my own opinions. I still feel they offer a very unique and supportive community, and are still learning and improving.
And with that being said, I think it's finally time for some Gang Beasts!
And with that being said, I think it's finally time for some Gang Beasts!
I don't really agree with this at all. Sure, you can have a dialogue with someone who is racist or sexist and try to change their views, but just ignoring that aspect and acting like everything is okay is pretty abhorrent. Especially someone like Colin who has a platform he uses to spread that garbage.
I haven't seen this weeks groupstream yet (I usually watch it during the weekend), but I have only heard good things about it (thanks for the "the mole" suggestion). That said, I want either gangbeasts or Space Channel 5 to win for weeks, so I will probably vote one of those if I have the chance.
To be honest, I didn't vote the mole either (I am sorry), but I did really like the idea and it was clear it was going to win anyway (otherwise I would have probably voted for it as well).
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Sure, I understand. I am not saying you are wrong. It's just that I don't believe there are too many people which are 100% bad and I usually don't want to ignore or attack people because they think or are different then I am (even though I do feel he is very wrong here and racism and sexism is appalling indeed).
It's just a different take on the same subject. Talking with somebody does not make you agree with how they think imo. But we just see this differently although I think we both feel the same way about racism and sexism. No harm done in my book :).
Whoa! Finnish night sounds awesome, not sure if I've voted before in this but now I will!Not to derail current conversation, but LET'S GET A LOOK AT THE FRONTRUNNERS FOR NEXT WEEKS GROUP STREAM
Seeing quite a few other meta-concept streams in the mix (great stuff!) but none have yet built up the momentum to make the top 10. Gang Beasts peaks the polls once again, but in my personal opinion it's likely headin' straight into the Ineligibility Fridge™, unless it's recent PS4 release is enough to push it over the edge.
I actually think Space Channel 5 will suffer a similar fate as it is lacking a freshness in the top 4 that will make it look less exciting, I think the real race here will be between our likely lower bracket on Jeopardy! and Mario Party 2. Given the increased appetite for audience participation, I'm sticking my flag in the ground that next week's group stream will be Jeopardy!
Edit: Oh right, we are turning 100. Yay!
After some reflection...
The Easy Allies stance has been they are given money from Patreon to do whatever they want to do. That includes doing the podcasts with Colin Moriarity. We don't get a say in that. We can leave all the feedback we want. But that's all it is: feedback. It's also the reason many times controversies such as this are met by radio silence by the Allies. They hear us. They'll decide if they want to change their mind. But we don't get a say in any of that.
Cup of Jones is here to marginalize the controversies into one small corner of their programming so that it doesn't impact the bulk of their operations: Twitch Streams, Podcasts, etc. because that is how the majority of people consume their content. If the Colin Moriarity situation were to be brought up during a live stream, or a podcast, the "this isn't the time and place" crowd will be there to squash it, the same way people try and find the Colin Kaepernick's taking a knee so objectionable. Then it can be pushed behind a paywall "Cup of Jones" that most people don't watch and EZA's day can continue on as listed on EasyAllies.com. The truth is in the pudding that Brandon blatantly said, "I hear you." and the feedback did zero to affect his decision.
Honestly, I can't blame him. Most people aren't going to hear about this because this is relegated to a small community thread in a newborn forum. And for those that do hear it, they won't care because what drew them into EZA was the apolitical irreverent nature of their content and tone. It's been contained enough that it's not going to affect their Patreon, so why bother appeasing 50 people that are going to keep their pledges anyway, instead of just doing what makes them happy. It honestly does make sense. In retrospect, Brandon's just doing what EZA has always preached: He followed his heart. Can I really be down on a guy for that? I don't know.
The Easy Allies stance has been they are given money from Patreon to do whatever they want to do. That includes doing the podcasts with Colin Moriarity. We don't get a say in that. We can leave all the feedback we want. But that's all it is: feedback. It's also the reason many times controversies such as this are met by radio silence by the Allies. They hear us. They'll decide if they want to change their mind. But we don't get a say in any of that.
Cup of Jones is here to marginalize the controversies into one small corner of their programming so that it doesn't impact the bulk of their operations: Twitch Streams, Podcasts, etc. because that is how the majority of people consume their content. If the Colin Moriarity situation were to be brought up during a live stream, or a podcast, the "this isn't the time and place" crowd will be there to squash it, the same way people try and find the Colin Kaepernick's taking a knee so objectionable. Then it can be pushed behind a paywall "Cup of Jones" that most people don't watch and EZA's day can continue on as listed on EasyAllies.com. The truth is in the pudding that Brandon blatantly said, "I hear you." and the feedback did zero to affect his decision.
Honestly, I can't blame him. Most people aren't going to hear about this because this is relegated to a small community thread in a newborn forum. And for those that do hear it, they won't care because what drew them into EZA was the apolitical irreverent nature of their content and tone. It's been contained enough that it's not going to affect their Patreon, so why bother appeasing 50 people that are going to keep their pledges anyway, instead of just doing what makes them happy. It honestly does make sense. In retrospect, Brandon's just doing what EZA has always preached: He followed his heart. Can I really be down on a guy for that? I don't know.
Nah, nothing cherrypicked here. I've listened to Colin (and Greg) for 100's of Episodes of Beyond until his end at Kinda Funny. Through the litany of controversies he's been a part of, they almost always play out the same way. He says something controversial, gets responded to (sometimes in a level-headed way and sometimes not by the masses), and then picks what he feels is the worst response and lumps everyone together with that response and makes fun about how hyperbolic and absurd everyone else is. For years I've wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt as I do feel he isn't some hateful monster (like the worst that 2017 has offered up), but at some point you need to call a spade a spade and acknowledge that this is his MO. To quote Chappelle's show Rick James, he is a "habitual line stepper."
About the summary, now I'm reading it's both accurate and inaccurate from posters above. So yeah, even though I cautioned before I wrote up a response about it earlier, just a reminder to take it all with a grain of salt at this time.
Haha, thanks! If Allies don't end up celebrating us in the group stream, maybe I should have a celebration of my own. Kyle has mistaken Finnish product (sent by a fan) and also Finnish person as Danish twice already, so they absolutely should get to know us better =D I think Huber visited Helsinki at Remedy while they still were at GT. Nothing ever came out of it because they got shut down, I was hoping we would see dueling Sam Lakes with Huber's impression of him.
We really don't know how many people wanted Jones to go on his show vs not.
Maybe a majority of people did, and a very vocal minority didn't?
One thing I'm sure of. I'm positive Jones checked with the other allies before he did it. They must have all agreed to it. And if they all did, then I think we have to respect their decision.
Ian shared his thoughts on this, not to say you should agree with him. But he atleast spent some time thinking and typing it out. So I think it's worth a read. The link ofcourse only shows the first tweet. To those not so familiar with Twitter (like me) click the bird for more.
Personally, I need to tolerate some people. Because I work with them. That doesn't mean I wouldn't call them out on their disgusting bullshit when I hear it. It happened today at the cafeteria when I stopped someone by raising my voice "that's enough". That didn't change the person, he is still who he is with his views. But I also need to continue working and communicating with him. I've tried to actually discuss some things with him, it hasn't worked. But there's another one who I work with (I'd call him a friend) and he adores Kojima. It took some time for him to admit that Kojima isn't perfect, because of his questionable portrayal of women in his games. Really thinking about these issues and having discussions did change him a bit. And he calls out some tasteless shit too, before he didn't really care or see it. I think it's worth trying to discuss with people, in a constructive manner. But I absolutely don't expect everyone to do it, especially the minorities themselves. I'm not telling them to just listen what the other has to say. But I come from a position of priviledge myself and I feel that I can maybe help just even a little bit by engaging in discussions with people who hold questionable or even hateful views. It frustrates me too many times, but it's nothing compared to what minorities have to deal with.
I also see a distinction between hate and ignorance. Those who are mostly just ignorant are much easier to approach.
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On Cup of Jones, he estimated the responses were about 60/40 one way or the other, but didn't indicate which side was 60. I feel like the Patreon comments were more anti-Colin than 60/40 so I'm thinking Twitter replies must have been way more pro-Colin to swing it that way. But that's all just me guessing.
Punished Bets is reminding me of just how good of a game Captain Toad was. Man, they really gotta bring that to the Switch.
I'm hoping Captain Toad's inclusion in Odyssey means there are more journeys ahead. If they make a new game I hope they add in the original, I always wanted to play that one!
Does Colin love and respect anyone but himself?
Does Jones going on Colin's podcast show love and respect to the EZA community members that Colin (and his fans) went after on twitter?
Speaking personally, I can Love unconditionally, but Respect is a two way street.
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