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But as a black person in America, I appreciate you lol'ing away my concerns about celebrating racists. :)
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George H.W Bush has died at the age of 94
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My avatar is from a video game.
But as a black person in America, I appreciate you lol'ing away my concerns about celebrating racists. :)
Yeah. Boring like the civil rights era, interference in central america, vietnam, middle east invasion. Boring.
I do too. I long for the days where the news networks went a full hour without even mentioning the President and actually covered the news from around the country instead because there was no news about the President.
Ah yes, angry nobody. One day I hope I can become a distinguished American quite like HW and stoke racial and religious divisions in the country, stand up for Nixon and Reagan and leave a trial of political assassinations and arming terrorists in my wake for my own personal benefit. Amen.
Fun fact, those are actual things that aren't just politics. I didn't say news, I said politics.
Just a few years ago you could watch an entire evening of CNN without hearing about...I dunno a tweet from a jackass President.
Andrew Jackson is certainly not the worst president.
Buchanon, Andrew Johnson, or Franklin Pierce bottoms out my list
I've got room for the current president on my worst list, but if you're entertaining GHWB or Jackson on that list then you need a lot more perspective
It's a valid point you've made but most on this forum aren't old enough (or even alive enough) to consider those things as linchpins for their zeitgeist.
....what?
So stuff like the Russian kompromat and some are good people are wildly different than Iran-Contra and Willie Horton?
Oh come on you know what he means. Back to the regular day to day politics and legislation instead of the circus sideshow its been for the last two years under Trump.
Or at least I assume thats what he means?
They certainly weren't covered in a 24/7 Media Circus. There's a line between staying informed and staying obsessed.
See
Once upon a time I could wake up without having to worry about what the fuck our president was going to fuck up overnight.
There was a sideshow every day in the W era. Or are people forgetting Powell, Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc.
You mean Andrew Johnson (who is also near the bottom, and continues the shame of having to share a name with two of the worst presidents this country's had)?
As long as you're here for Clinton's thread and talk about his racist policies, his arming terrorists, his sexual assaults, and his repealing of Glass-Steagall I got no qualms with your message.
Fair point, but honestly I would trade that for todays sideshow any day.
Theres a difference between covering Vietnam and being forced to cover ....the President using campaign funds to provide hush money to a porn star who is fucking the would-be president while his wife is pregnant
Sure, politics have always been dirty. They've always been messy. But today politics are less about important issues and more about the daily machinations.of a literal clown in the white house.
I never claimed to like Bill Clinton. But comparing Clinton arming terrorists to Iran Contra is also a gross misunderstanding of Iran Contra. Every president arms shitty people that backfire unfortunately, few do it as blatantly corrupt as Reagan and Bush Sr.
Fine. As long as you come back to talk about his racist policies, his sexual assaults, and his repealing of Glass-Steagall.
Also, 'every president does it' is kinda the whole point here.
Oh god. Thats a very old very stupid conspiracy theory that says HW Bush was somehow involved with killing Kennedy or was involved with the people who killed Kennedy. I can't remember which.
I assume most people born after Kennedy died are pretty safe from suspicion.
I think.
This forum is an embarrassment during historically relevant events.
The requirement to provide hot takes, along with the requirement to combat hot takes, combined with the lack of perspective to know neither are important.
I'm not helping things either. I know.
The requirement to provide hot takes, along with the requirement to combat hot takes, combined with the lack of perspective to know neither are important.
I'm not helping things either. I know.
In what regard?
Only one I saw was someone mentioning that G HW was nearly 40 years old at the time. Really puts into perspective how old he was now.
Sure, don't have any love for Bill.
But every president does it is differwnt than this president did it blatantly worse on top of other objectively evil things.
It skews young.
What are the objective evil things? I think Bill Clinton did objective evil things through the 2018 lens. I honestly think every president before Obama has done object evil things through the 2018 lens. I would put money on Obama having done objective evil things through the 2028 lens.
Well I'm not an American, I'm Lebanese Iraqi and this is the same guy who promised us that if we revolt against Saddam he would help, but didn't when we revolted and the world watched as Saddam slaughtered 200,000 of us in two months because they didn't want Iraq to be controlled by the Shia at the time.
So since I can only judge him on his foreign policies, to hell with him.
So since I can only judge him on his foreign policies, to hell with him.
Well its an internet forum that mostly centers around video games where people often post various threads about pee, poop, vagina beer, and other random topics.
What did you expect? lol
I again, never claimed otherwise. I'm saying he did those things on top of objectively evil things that didn't even have a realpolitik defense. I.e. racism, religious zealotry.
Gaming side is a helluva lot more moderate than the people you're criticizing you realise that right
Oh man I always forget about Buchanon. Yeah I would put him lower than Jackson.
Yes I know. I was just joking.
Trump has also done horrible things. The tweeting just makes him extremely annoying as well.
Trump was just the end result of the southern strategy that started during the civil rights era that was pioneered by people like HW. Again, this man entered the political sphere by lambasting the civil rights act.
someones death is a great time to reflect upon who they really were and their legacy. so why the hell are yall talking about clinton, etc itt. "but if you criticize HW bush you have to come back to criticize Clinton!!!"
get checked for worms in your brain
You're not going to hear any arguments suggesting otherwise from me there.
I totally agree. They all have. RIP to them all, fuck them all, I guess, if that's what is needed. We also need people to lead the most powerful nation in the world and not let it go so far off track that the world implodes.
Honestly all this president talk makes me want a "Worst Presidents" Thread. I mean we already have a "Favorite Presidents" thread going.
HW Bush did not pioneer the southern strategy. Bush was no friend to civil rights in the 1960s but he has nothing to do with nixons southern strategy. Bush was historically irrelevant in nixons presidential run that capitalized on defecting Wallace votes... Bush was a single term congressman at the time
Bush became politically relevent under Gerald Ford, as ambassador to China, years after Nixon would foment his southern strategy. He was a legislator prior to that but not historically remarkable
Have to? Obama didn't *have* to say anything he could have very well kept quiet.
Now the racism is more overt I guess but it was always there. Trump just says the quiet part out loud.