This is exactly what it isThis is definitely less to appease arguments about indie games and more to encourage AAA publishers to use Steam instead of their own launcher.
This is exactly what it isThis is definitely less to appease arguments about indie games and more to encourage AAA publishers to use Steam instead of their own launcher.
I'm going with a stab in the dark and guess that they would prefer to keep selling on their store the games that sell a lot and not the failures?
A chance to sell games on the most popular store around and reaping the benefits of their server infrastructure and services is their "help".I know why they are doing this, it doesn't mean I can't wish also indies got some help.
There's also value in having your product on sale where it can actually sell the most.It may slow down the big publishers, but I think they ultimately still leave. There's too much value in having complete control over the distribution of your games.
It certainly has great comedic value, if Bethesda is any indication."Please don't leave Steam."
It may slow down the big publishers, but I think they ultimately still leave. There's too much value in having complete control over the distribution of your games.
That's exactly what this is.
So would I, but it's pretty clear who has the leverage here.
If people want to support indies, they should buy keys rather than from the Steam store, or buy from Itch. They'll get a better share (100% for a key, variable but often 90% from Itch).
But you should be ready for "Screwing indies", apparently.Might finally be able to read a steam thread on here without the 30% meme
Valve is the devil it seems. They can't win.
I don't mean to call some people out, but the heart of it really is just "console warring", since Valve has the biggest PC platform with Steam, thus 'attacking' Valve is a way to try and do "smear campaign" things on PC gaming. THAT'S NOT TO SAY that no one should ever take issue with Valve and critique things, having a voice and vocalizing issue and concern is all fair with free speech on a forum and all that, and to try and make the voice be heard. But it's adamantly clear even here on Era with Valve threads that not everyone is arguing in good faith and are more just contesting due to having 'personal stakes' in the matter.
The thing about AAA publishers is that they don't truly need it. EA does fine, and Activision has shown (with the latest CoD) that they're fine without it too.There's also value in having your product on sale where it can actually sell the most.
100%I don't mean to call some people out, but the heart of it really is just "console warring", since Valve has the biggest PC platform on Steam, attacking Valve is a way to try and do "smear campaign" things on Valve. THAT'S NOT TO SAY that no one should ever take issue with Valve and critique things, but it's adamantly clear even here on Era with Valve threads that not everyone is arguing in good faith and are more just contesting personal stake in a matter.
Like I can see arguments about the cut and how it favors AAA over indies, but Valve is following an industry standard and does actually do a lot for that cut, and continually add more and more to their platform and helping PC gaming as a whole, and does far more good for indies than not. No indie is forced to be on Steam of course, but there's definitely incentives to want to be on Steam for indies. Valve is a business, and doing bushiness moves is fucking obvious they're trying to make money and not just be a charity. But as they perform well as a business, they do a lot of things they don't necessarily have to for the help of the PC gaming industry, which does benefit them but also benefits more than them.
But for many people, they just like to repetitively hammer in any leverage they have to complain and try to be dismissive of what they've done because it's not their platform/company of choice, or whatever.
They definitely don'tHaha, I constantly read complaints here "30% Valve so greedy". They make a change to this and now it's "less than 30% for some devs, Valve is so greedy".
As usual I doubt many of the people criticizing even play on PC.
Haha, I constantly read complaints here "30% Valve so greedy". They make a change to this and now it's "less than 30% for some devs, Valve is so greedy".
As usual I doubt many of the people criticizing even play on PC.
In my eyes this is the opposite of a good thing.
You take more money from people that make less and less from the ones that make more? i mean... what?
The value of a large network like Steam has many benefits that are contributed to and shared by all the participants. Finding the right balance to reflect those contributions is a tricky but important factor in a well-functioning network. It's always been apparent that successful games and their large audiences have a material impact on those network effects so making sure Steam recognizes and continues to be an attractive platform for those games is an important goal for all participants in the network.
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Our hope is this change will reward the positive network effects generated by developers of big games, further aligning their interests with Steam and the community.
Will Sony,Microsoft and nintendo do the same?Well, it's the big publishers that's leaving, right?
Anyway, this is the single thing people are complaining about. That Valve's 30% cut is too much.
Bah, that's like giving multibillion dollars companies tax breaks in my eyes.
People like having a thing to be mad about i guess.Haha, I constantly read complaints here "30% Valve so greedy". They make a change to this and now it's "less than 30% for some devs, Valve is so greedy".
As usual I doubt many of the people criticizing even play on PC.
Greedy valve.
They only do this because they expect it'll make'em more money in the long run.
I don't mean to call some people out, but the heart of it really is just "console warring", since Valve has the biggest PC platform with Steam, thus 'attacking' Valve is a way to try and do "smear campaign" things on PC gaming. THAT'S NOT TO SAY that no one should ever take issue with Valve and critique things, having a voice and vocalizing issue and concern is all fair with free speech on a forum and all that, and to try and make the voice be heard. But it's adamantly clear even here on Era with Valve threads that not everyone is arguing in good faith and are more just contesting due to having 'personal stakes' in the matter.
Like I can see arguments about the cut and how it favors AAA over indies, but even before this change Valve was following an industry standard, and actually does a lot for that cut, and continually add more and more to their platform to make it appealing for developers & consumers, all while helping PC gaming grow as a whole. They do far more good for indies than not even, no indie is forced to be on Steam of course, but there's definitely incentives to want to be on Steam for indies. Valve is a business, and doing bushiness moves is fucking obviously what they're going to do. They're trying to make money, not be a charity run for the health of the industry or whatever some seem to be in argument of. But as they perform well as a business, they do a lot of things they don't necessarily have to for the help of the PC gaming industry and climate, which does benefit them of course but also benefits more than them. both developers and consumers.
But for many people, they just like to repetitively hammer in any leverage they have to complain and try to be dismissive of what they've done because it's not their platform/company of choice, or whatever.
if I own a platform that relies on good games bringing in new people to spend on other shit in my store
i give an incentive for good games to get onto the store
That's not really it. They probably don't give a shit about other pub stores. What they do care about, is when Steam is not included at all.
The idea here is as it says:
In other words, Valve wants to continue to have growth by ensuring the biggest titles / pubs continue to have a relationship with Steam and its player base. Whether there are other stores isn't going to bother them much
And it is true, that the value of Steam comes from players being attracted by these big titles and then hooking into all manner of other titles they discover.
Bah, that's like giving multibillion dollars companies tax breaks in my eyes.
"We have to cut them some slack even if they are the ones that most can afford it because we want to keep them willing to stay here/invest/whatever"
Absolutely. System warring, fanboyism, and corporate worship are problems which manifest themselves in a lot of ways here. Not just Valve/PC threads.It's not just Valve/PC threads, which are embarrassing enough. System Warring is present everywhere. Sales threads are often just an excuse for people to pretend like they're stockholders in their favorite companies. There are entire threads where people salivate over developers getting bought out, because it's another get in the war. Game of the Year discussions are often a not-so-subtle opportunity to win for their favorite platform-holder. Graphics threads are the same thing, and hit their worse at the start of a new generation.
It's disgusting.
OR... You reward people that make you more money and literally nothing changes for the worse for everyone else?In my eyes this is the opposite of a good thing.
You take more money from people that make less and less from the ones that make more? i mean... what?
Sales threads are often just an excuse for people to pretend like they're stockholders in their favorite companies
Greedy valve.
They only do this because they expect it'll make'em more money in the long run.
That guy is joking btw. He is a PCera member.
Well, it's the big publishers that's leaving, right?
Anyway, this is the single thing people are complaining about. That Valve's 30% cut is too much.
Shouldn't this be made to indies so they could earn more money?
I guess Steam was beginning to see their dominant position in the PC space as being under threat. If people have a bunch of launchers installed, there's more chance that sales go to the other launchers instead of Steam.This is definitely less to appease arguments about indie games and more to encourage AAA publishers to use Steam instead of their own launcher.
This is definitely less to appease arguments about indie games and more to encourage AAA publishers to use Steam instead of their own launcher.