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Homophobic murder gangs are roaming Fallout 76, and the game's player reporting system is broken
- Thread starter Nirolak
- Start date
Hey, the options were:
- Don't include a "report" button.
- Include a "report" button but it doesn't do anything.
Include a "report" button and a human judges if the incident warrants taking action.Scratch this one, it costs money.Include a "report" button and an algorithm determines if the user has received multiple reports and takes action.Scratch this one, it takes effort.- Include a report button that just automatically suspends whoever was reported.
Thanks.
What are the odds that this can get forwarded to the powers that be and these douchebags can have their PSN IDs banned?
That's terrible, and unfortunately familiar. I had my hunch about Fallout 76 on this subject after the occasional abusive experiences with Sea of Thieves.
SoT doesn't have in-game report and it doesn't do a handshake with the "Recent Players" feature on the XBL system level consistently enough in my experience. So I encounter similar abusive/bigoted incidents like the above Fallout 76 videos, but am left scanning rushed "Record that" footage to see if I can even make out handles (cause it's easy to hurl toxicity/grief from out of sight) to then manually type out and search for them to then report, and I never really know if there's any sort of meaningful resolution even if XBL follows up with me letting me know they took some nebulous action. Taking evidence to support, official forums or Twitter as seen in OP (while impressive efficacy this time!) sounds exhausting.
It's a shame because Rare tries to foster a progressive, empathetic milieu (the Pirate Code, pride content), but the tools and/or moderation just aren't there for tangible effect from my pov.
I can report bigots inbetween rounds in games like Overwatch w/ good recent player UI without it wearing me down much (albeit, regardless of guaranteed results), but there's something about the challenge of reporting people in this type of game without good tools or clear resolution that I find defeating.
SoT doesn't have in-game report and it doesn't do a handshake with the "Recent Players" feature on the XBL system level consistently enough in my experience. So I encounter similar abusive/bigoted incidents like the above Fallout 76 videos, but am left scanning rushed "Record that" footage to see if I can even make out handles (cause it's easy to hurl toxicity/grief from out of sight) to then manually type out and search for them to then report, and I never really know if there's any sort of meaningful resolution even if XBL follows up with me letting me know they took some nebulous action. Taking evidence to support, official forums or Twitter as seen in OP (while impressive efficacy this time!) sounds exhausting.
It's a shame because Rare tries to foster a progressive, empathetic milieu (the Pirate Code, pride content), but the tools and/or moderation just aren't there for tangible effect from my pov.
I can report bigots inbetween rounds in games like Overwatch w/ good recent player UI without it wearing me down much (albeit, regardless of guaranteed results), but there's something about the challenge of reporting people in this type of game without good tools or clear resolution that I find defeating.
The twitter responses aren't any better. Saying shit like it's to be expected it's online etc etc.
The fact that there's no basic report function for a game like this just shows how badly made it is and shows up the company for who they truly are.
I'm in two minds to ever support Bethesda for any game in the future if they are getting away with this kinda shit. Speaks volumes to the type of company it really is.
The fact that there's no basic report function for a game like this just shows how badly made it is and shows up the company for who they truly are.
I'm in two minds to ever support Bethesda for any game in the future if they are getting away with this kinda shit. Speaks volumes to the type of company it really is.
You can't mute people?
I know you don't have to be involved in PVP, just let them shoot you all day while you do other stuff.
How hard is it to add a report function into the chat system anyway?
Then again, I am asking if there is even a mute system...so I guess super hard for them.
I know you don't have to be involved in PVP, just let them shoot you all day while you do other stuff.
How hard is it to add a report function into the chat system anyway?
Then again, I am asking if there is even a mute system...so I guess super hard for them.
I also remember seeing people cheering for the no NPC statement part, and one guy was shaking his head in shocked and amazed because it was the most awesome statement he had ever heard coming from Todd.
Guess we are now just shaking our head at these fans gullible and naive nature.
Not every post needs to be Shakespeare. Sometimes even a shitpost has intrinsic value.
That being said, i kinda agree with your sentiment on this particular thread.
Nasally mouth-breathers perpetuating that backwards-ass way of thinking. Shameful, but a consequence of zero regulation and the freedom of always-on mic chat.
That difficult to listen to for so many reasons. The really nasally guy came off as exceptionally thick-skulled, but then his buddies were laughing at his silly, ignorant jokes so there's that. Glad they were banned.
Bigotory in online multiplayer game is no news. It happens everyday. No ingame report function and broken web report page though, that doesn't happen everyday. I'm most surprised by the most surprising part of the news.
Normal bigots usually don't spend time making Nazi groups in videogames.
You'd think high schoolers wouldn't be homophobic, but that explains it.
Mind elaborating on this? Because right now it sounds like you're telling the people who are having to deal with a roaming group of homophobes without a reporting system to "quit complaining and get good".
A Bethesda dev at a design meeting for Fallout 76:
"I mean, yes I know that some people who play games are horrible, yes I know that bigotry is heavily entrenched in gaming, I.. well listen, if other people act up we can just make it so you do something crazy like nuke them! That's wacky like Fallout right? We'll get around to including a proper reporting system in the game at some point before we launch, I'm sure of it."
That's pretty awful. I'm glad Bethesda took appropriate action. Developers and publishers need to respond like this more and take steps to discourage and change this behavior. With how easy it is to get away with, it's unfortunately become an ingrained part of "gaming culture" where people just accept it even if they don't agree with it. This is why I play online games with all voice chat muted—other than friends.
A lot of responses in that Twitter thread are awful. The alt-right/gamergate/anti-SJW force is all up in there... the amount of likes they're getting is pretty gross too.
A lot of responses in that Twitter thread are awful. The alt-right/gamergate/anti-SJW force is all up in there... the amount of likes they're getting is pretty gross too.
You gotta be kidding me I have met some crazy people playing online games but this ??? fuck these guys and good on Bethesda for taking quick action.
That's what I've been asking. Someone at ERA must have a higher up's ear.
Sounds like a teenager just after the voice break. Common enough to see homophobic sentiments from that age group, however it is not something others tolerate for good reasons. Roleplaying as fascist witchhunters of a sort, exterminating gay people, that is wrong and people should get told such and face consequences for it.
Ugly. I was thinking about maybe playing this with my daughter. PvP with proximity chat though, ugh. Maybe I'll just return that $35 copy to Amazon.
Friends have been pestering me to pick this game up and play with them, but this just convinces me not to even go near it.
This is a troll incident and they should be banned of course.
But this incident aside, This issue will prove to be very tricky in this game going forward. Because the premise is to role-play a fkd up person in a post apocoliptic fkd up wastland, which is why NPCs don't exist, and some might want to role play the bad guys, like the slavers from past fallout games for example ? Or even Nazis.
Bathesda should define ingame where the line starts and ends. So players and specially kids can read it. Maybe have a paragraph at the start in tutorial and some sentences during loading as tips.
But this incident aside, This issue will prove to be very tricky in this game going forward. Because the premise is to role-play a fkd up person in a post apocoliptic fkd up wastland, which is why NPCs don't exist, and some might want to role play the bad guys, like the slavers from past fallout games for example ? Or even Nazis.
Bathesda should define ingame where the line starts and ends. So players and specially kids can read it. Maybe have a paragraph at the start in tutorial and some sentences during loading as tips.
Maybe Nintendo has it right after all. I just have 0% in ever interacting with strangers online again.
Siege's reporting system was basically broken for years after launch, and it turned out just fine.
Just kidding. It's got one of the most toxic, bigoted communities of any game. It's turned my favorite game into something I can only play if I have friends online. This shit will ruin a game faster than any bugs.
Just kidding. It's got one of the most toxic, bigoted communities of any game. It's turned my favorite game into something I can only play if I have friends online. This shit will ruin a game faster than any bugs.
Im not blaming the game for bigoted behavior, i blame the game to not offer the players more tools to get fun with. Story missions, stuff like that. When thers nothing to do, you start seeing ppl being assholes more often.
Im already seeing weid behavior in Red Dead Online, not as bad as the one in the video cuz i usually stay away from other players, but im starting to notice when ppl have nothing to do they just become jerks towards other players.
I thought there was an option to totally block out any annoying players in the server. I remember when I played the Beta, immediately some shithead started trolling right outside the vault. I remember just trying to mute him, but instead of muting there was a block option, and he completely disappeared, and I couldn't hear him anymore. I thought that was a really cool feature. Did they remove it?
You can blame multiplayer online games for not having report functions though
I absolutely blame the devs for creating an online game in 2018 without sufficient tools to deal with toxic behavior.
I was on the fence, but the LGR vid sealed the deal for me. Bethesda has lots to learn, and I guess ESO is profitable, so they're pointing FO in that direction and...shooting from the hip?
Right, because good people think "Hmmm I'm gonna be a major homophobe today. Y'know, for my fun escapist fantasy!"
Fuck that... It's a fucking videogame. These fuckers know they're interacting with other people.
