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Suikodan

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He's wrong, but sexist guys like him usually are when they open their mouths, especially when he has to desperately defend his source of income - money is likely all he cares about.

Parents aren't magicians. They can take the systems of their kids away, but kids can just play elsewhere. Parents also need to *notice* there is a problem, which is not always easy. An addiction can always develop, and then needs rehab. Games can be one of those just like tons of other, weirder things. Even "not eating" can be one, guys.

The situation is made worse by peer pressure - kids that don't do Fortnite atm are out, and even get bullied for it. If you know teachers, this won't be new. These all lead to problems. It's a mass phenomenon, and some people will overdo it, like with any mass phenomenon.

Overreacting and shrieking that rehab is totally dumb is just a failure of yours to understand humans on a basic level.

Wow, do you have kids?

I have two sons at home and they love gaming. However, as a parent, I take responsability about screen time, content and attitude. Screen time is simple, you earn it and you don't forget to do something else during the day. Content can be managed at home but I understand that they play Call of Duty at their friend's so you can't win them all but doesn't relieve you of your duty do talk about it and attitude says it all.

I understand rehab can be a thing but sincerely, you have the power to act first at home.
 

Boy Wander

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He's wrong, but sexist guys like him usually are when they open their mouths, especially when he has to desperately defend his source of income - money is likely all he cares about.

Parents aren't magicians. They can take the systems of their kids away, but kids can just play elsewhere. Parents also need to *notice* there is a problem, which is not always easy. An addiction can always develop, and then needs rehab. Games can be one of those just like tons of other, weirder things. Even "not eating" can be one, guys.

The situation is made worse by peer pressure - kids that don't do Fortnite atm are out, and even get bullied for it. If you know teachers, this won't be new. These all lead to problems. It's a mass phenomenon, and some people will overdo it, like with any mass phenomenon.

Overreacting and shrieking that rehab is totally dumb is just a failure of yours to understand humans on a basic level.

Weird post. How does being sexist have any bearing on this topic?
 
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I totally agree. I didn't necessarily grow up with a smartphone in my hand but I had plenty of handheld and home consoles. If I played too much my parents simply took game time away. This isn't to say parents are totally responsible for their children's actions. More games are built upon the same mechanics as your average slot machine and your average kid doesn't stand a chance against fighting what's essentially a gameified variance of gambling addiction. What pisses me off is that there are more an more reports coming out about the detrimental effects of tablet and smartphone addiction, and yet parents still give their kids a free pass to play for periods far longer than what's safe. I understand parenting is incredibly stressful, but don't some parents feel the slightest amount of guilt by sacrificing their child's cognitive development skills for the sake of a few extra free moments?

TLDR: Read is fun and it won't turn you into a sexless, friend-less, lump of a depressed teen.
 

Dr. Mario

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It does always start with the parents, but it doesn't end there, and to think instilling discipline makes them stay on the right path is some hugely naive worldview where I totally get why fellow parents ITT start becoming snobby to twenty somethings who give parenting advice. You think you can discipline your kids because you are structured and always fair. That's not how the world works kiddo. You cannot control your kids, they will not listen to what you say, being a good parent is not how all of addiction gets solved in the world. Your kids are parented by you.. and the school, and their friends, and the parents of their friends, and youth workers, and their sport club. And they have their own personality. I've seen unruly kids in the warmest most balanced families. You have some control, especially in their first four years when they are unreasonable to begin with. Outside of that, you can hope to be a guiding hand, but little more.

My twin brother suffered from a marijuana addiction, he flunked out of university and had to work more than a decade of menial jobs to get out of student debt, I finished college, PhD and am now a professor. Obviously how our parents raised us was not the deciding factor.
 

Tarot Deck

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Sometimes this is a good idea, but there are also times when playing this much is a way for kids to hide from their problems.

Don't just take the game away, talk to your kids also please.

Hell, this could apply to everyone.

It does always start with the parents, but it doesn't end there, and to think instilling discipline makes them stay on the right path is some hugely naive worldview where I totally get why fellow parents ITT start becoming snobby to twenty somethings who give parenting advice. You think you can discipline your kids because you are structured and always fair. That's not how the world works kiddo. You cannot control your kids, they will not listen to what you say, being a good parent is not how all of addiction gets solved in the world. Your kids are parented by you.. and the school, and their friends, and the parents of their friends, and youth workers, and their sport club. And they have their own personality. I've seen unruly kids in the warmest most balanced families. You have some control, especially in their first four years when they are unreasonable to begin with. Outside of that, you can hope to be a guiding hand, but little more.

My twin brother suffered from a marijuana addiction, he flunked out of university and had to work more than a decade of menial jobs to get out of student debt, I finished college, PhD and am now a professor. Obviously how our parents raised us was not the deciding factor.

This sounds like me and my younger brother, but he just found his footing now and I suspect he is going to be much more successful than me in the long run, since he is much more intelligent than me.
 
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the7samurai

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I worked with kids before and after I had kids of my own. My opinion of parents changed a lot after I had my own. There was a lot of thinking along the lines of, "we can help this kid all we can but if there's no change at home it doesn't matter". And while that may still be true, I have a lot more empathy and understanding now that I see how hard it is.

Also, calling parents terrible is not productive. All parents are operating with different amounts of knowedge, resources, support systems, and natural capability to parent. Some parents are worse than others. But are they not a product of their parents as well? The burden is on parents but society and government can change as well to facilitate a healthier future.
 

TitanicFall

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It does always start with the parents, but it doesn't end there, and to think instilling discipline makes them stay on the right path is some hugely naive worldview where I totally get why fellow parents ITT start becoming snobby to twenty somethings who give parenting advice. You think you can discipline your kids because you are structured and always fair. That's not how the world works kiddo. You cannot control your kids, they will not listen to what you say, being a good parent is not how all of addiction gets solved in the world. Your kids are parented by you.. and the school, and their friends, and the parents of their friends, and youth workers, and their sport club. And they have their own personality. I've seen unruly kids in the warmest most balanced families. You have some control, especially in their first four years when they are unreasonable to begin with. Outside of that, you can hope to be a guiding hand, but little more.

My twin brother suffered from a marijuana addiction, he flunked out of university and had to work more than a decade of menial jobs to get out of student debt, I finished college, PhD and am now a professor. Obviously how our parents raised us was not the deciding factor.

You can control what happens in your house. Yes, they can go do all sorts of things when they aren't home, but you can only do your best. What I take issue with is letting parenting become someone else's job because the actual parents can't be bothered because they are too busy or just don't care.
 

Deadlast

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This thread isn't the place for you to show off your parenting skills. We've all been kids and can all contribute from that perspective. Knock off the "I know better than you" posts.
Thanks Vol.

I was getting tired of reading those comments.

Back on topic. As a parent, I agree with Ninja. I grew up playing games, a bit too much. My mom didn't really care how much I played. Games and tv watching was something I could do without bothering her.
 

Dr. Mario

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You can control what happens in your house. Yes, they can go do all sorts of things when they aren't home, but you can only do your best. What I take issue with is letting parenting become someone else's job because the actual parents can't be bothered because they are too busy or just don't care.
If you talk to gaming addicts, a lot of them sneak out of bed at night. With Fortnite, you can literally play everywhere.
Of course you should at least try. Don't assume parents of gaming addicts don't try though.

Addiction is difficult because it destroys parent-child relationships, good luck talking sense into a kid who hates your guts for denying them their addiction.
 

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Except we are talking about parents who have taken the monumental step of actually seeking professional help for their children and sending them to a rehab center. That's not a financial, psychological, and social burden a parent takes on unless their child has a serious problem. So I have no idea why you are suggesting they are overreacting.

I'm pretty sure the addicts/recovering addicts here are used to these kind of takes. I know I am. The general public's understanding of addiction is severely lacking, and this thread is evidence of that.

Yes, this is exactly what situation I was in as a kid.
I'm not suggesting that particular instances where kids are actually addicted are examples of overreacting - just that a lot of the reports probably aren't actual cases of "addiction" as it's defined medically, and I'm sure they'll find that out.
 

Omegasquash

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If you talk to gaming addicts, a lot of them sneak out of bed at night. With Fortnite, you can literally play everywhere.
Of course you should at least try. Don't assume parents of gaming addicts don't try though.

Addiction is difficult because it destroys parent-child relationships, good luck talking sense into a kid who hates your guts for denying you your addiction.

The child's (admittedly warped) sense of trust must be down the drain after something like that. I know that whenever I got C's on my report card, my parent's took access to my NES away and I despised them for it.

For an addicted kid...good lord.
 

Richietto

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While it's definitely not as simple as taking the game away, it is on the parents to do the right thing and parent their kid by limiting time, but also doing the other things parents gotta do, because some kids play a lot not just for the fun of it but for plenty of other things like anxiety and all that stuff. But I doubt the parents that choose rehab for a video game we're gonna talk to their kids like parents should in the first place.

There were a ton of times when I was on video games non stop and I'm parents noticed. They took the games away, set limits a lot of the time, but they also talked to me, took me out to do other things, all that stuff.

It suvks that the kids get to such a point, and it sucks the parents couldn't stop the problem from happening.
 

Hibiki

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Yeah, he's not wrong. Parents have to practice giving their kids only so much game time and if it's abused, confiscate the games. It's classic parenting 101.
 

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I'm not suggesting that particular instances where kids are actually addicted are examples of overreacting - just that a lot of the reports probably aren't actual cases of "addiction" as it's defined medically, and I'm sure they'll find that out.
OK, but the tweet is about parents sending their kids to rehab...so clearly those kids do have a serious problem...and Ninja is making light of that. Do you see how that's an issue?
 

TitanicFall

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If you talk to gaming addicts, a lot of them sneak out of bed at night. With Fortnite, you can literally play everywhere.
Of course you should at least try. Don't assume parents of gaming addicts don't try though.

Addiction is difficult because it destroys parent-child relationships, good luck talking sense into a kid who hates your guts for denying you your addiction.

Most of my friends with kids don't play games, but they know I do. They'll ask me about how to set up the consoles, iPads, etc. As soon as I start talking about parental controls, they zone out. They don't want the hassle. You can absolutely restrict what kids do on these devices, but it takes investment from the parents but they aren't willing to bother with it most of the time.
 

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OK, but the tweet is about parents sending their kids to rehab...so clearly those kids do have a serious problem...and Ninja is making light of that. Do you see how that's an issue?
I just wonder if even some of those cases are parents overreacting, that's all.

But if I'm wrong (and I certainly could be) - yeah, there's a major issue. I just think Ninja was reacting more to the situations I'm referring to, when it's not really necessary.

But if I was a parent, the last person I'd want to take advice from is a fucking blue-haired video game streamer.
 

AdolRed

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I think 'everyone has been a kid and is therefore qualified to weigh in on being a parent' is a take on par with 'everyone has been inside of a building and is therefore qualified to weigh in on being an architect'
 

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I just wonder if even some of those cases are parents overreacting, that's all.

But if I'm wrong (and I certainly could be) - yeah, there's a major issue. I just think Ninja was reacting more to the situations I'm referring to, when it's not really necessary.

But if I was a parent, the last person I'd want to take advice from is a fucking blue-haired video game streamer.
Given the stigma against addiction and addiction recovery in general, it seems irresponsible for you to come in this thread and repeatedly claim that some of these parents are overreacting by sending their kid to rehab, when you know nothing of the kid or their situation. Especially when 'people unnecessarily sending their kids to rehab' is not a wide-scale problem, but 'people, especially kids, not receiving treatment for their addictions' is a huge problem in our society.
 

Redstreak

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Surfing the web, social media is normal to kids nowadays compared to the 90s/early 00s and in a class circle you would be seen as weird if you didnt engage in acts that most other kids engage.
Its like when people during my time didnt collect Pogs or Soccer cards.



And then be seen as the weird kid in class....

Also technology is everywhere. It's rapdily changed even since I was in high school less than a decade ago. Almost every classroom utilizes stuff like iPads and laptops for every student all the time
 

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Given the stigma against addiction and addiction recovery in general, it seems irresponsible for you to come in this thread and repeatedly claim that some of these parents are overreacting by sending their kid to rehab, when you know nothing of the kid or their situation. Especially when 'people unnecessarily sending their kids to rehab' is not a wide-scale problem, but 'people, especially kids, not receiving treatment for their addictions' is a huge problem in our society.
I suppose that's a fair assessment, perhaps I was too quick to be ignorant to something I'm not super knowledgeable about.
 

Alek

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I think it's easy to blame parents but many parents have a hard time raising their kids.

I was raised in a single parent family. My mother worked all day so she didn't have as much time for my sister and I as other parents might. When I was 9, we got a computer and she was happy to have me exploring the net alone. I started by using it to look up cheats and walkthroughs for the games that I already owned on console, but it didn't take too long before I found MMOs.

From there, I ended up hooked on MMOs. I used my mothers credit card to subscribe to them (she provided this, but she was often annoyed by the additional charges where I'd purchased some pet or something). At the time I was definitely addicted. But honestly, my mother was just happy that she knew where I was and that I was safe. That I wasn't running around getting into trouble.

When I was at school, I was constantly getting into fights, so she was just happy that I was at home and not being hurt. I ended up skipping school (50% attendance for my high school years) to keep playing MMOs. But I was still passing all of my exams so she didn't really mind. She knew that I hated school so I kept playing my MMO. Even when I did attend school, I would sign into classes then leave with friends. We would smoke and play Halo, then I'd go home to play my MMO alone.

I gave my mother a pretty hard time, and the way I was playing games was absolutely interfering with my day to day functioning, education and social life. But a lot of the other kids in my class were being expelled for violent behaviour, or out on the streets causing trouble.

For what it's worth, those kids almost exclusively, still live in my hometown. I educated myself and took myself to University, because I knew it would be better for me to get out and explore the world. I got a masters degree, and found a job in the games industry. My mothers hands off approach was probably best, as it gave me the space to recognise that my behaviour was harmful.
 

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I suppose that's a fair assessment, perhaps I was too quick to be ignorant to something I'm not super knowledgeable about.
That's OK, it happens. We are all ignorant about some things. Better to listen to those with a different perspective rather than sticking with your ignorance. You are listening, which I genuinely appreciate, most people wouldn't bother.
 
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OK, but the tweet is about parents sending their kids to rehab...so clearly those kids do have a serious problem...and Ninja is making light of that. Do you see how that's an issue?
You never knew anyone who got sent away to rehab for no reason? I've known at least 2-3 people that got sent away just so their rich parents didnt have to deal with a menial problem of the kids smoking weed in the house once a month.

Edit:and were not talking sandals resort rehab, were talking deserts of Nevada, dont try to run you'll die in the desert, bootcamp/prison type rehabs. Completely ruined those kids lives just so they didnt have to try and understand their own children.
 

Wamb0wneD

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This entire thread is just full of people making a mockery of what addiction really is. Blaming the parents or telling parents to just take control in the face of an addiction is ridiculous and honestly just insulting to anyone who has ever suffered from one.
....What people are saying is that the parents should have done something before the addiction manifested. When your kid is addicted to Fortnite you let it play that stuff hours, on hours on hours on end. These are still children, not adults who may slip into addiction by themselves for whatever reasons. If your kid has depression and is coping with Fortnite to the point it gets addicted you already fucked up as a parent when it's at the point of a serious addiction because you had the tools to not let it go that far.
 

Ketkat

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....What people are saying is that the parents should have done something before the addiction manifested. When you kid is addicted to Fortnite you let it play that stuff hours, on hours on hours on end. These are still children, not adults who may slip into addiction by themselves for whatever reasons. If your kid has depression and is coping with Fortnite to the point it gets addicted you already fucked up as a parent when it's at the point of a serious addiction because you had the tools ot not let it come that far.

And it's not that simple and shows you have no understanding of how addictions form or the lengths people will go to in order to feed them
 

PCPace

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I think 'everyone has been a kid and is therefore qualified to weigh in on being a parent' is a take on par with 'everyone has been inside of a building and is therefore qualified to weigh in on being an architect'
AdolRed is right and I seriously question the motives of this moderator trucking into the thread and proclaiming "People with expertise your input is not needed, this is a thread for people to ignorantly claim psychological issues could be solved with tough love".

That's not the direct quote, but that's what I interpret when I read that mod post.

Thread is full of people crapping all over psychology and all over parents and kids who have serious issues they are trying to deal with, which is all A-Ok, and saying "Hey I'm a parent this is why that line of thinking is wrong" is a bannable offense.

That's poor moderation. It's completely insensitive and reinforcing some toxic posting.

Volimar, you are the one who is completely out of line. You've completely misinterpreted the events of this thread and are reinforcing mental illness as a "personal responsibility" issue and reinforcing heavy handed demonstration of power as good parenting, and saying that the experience of being a child matters more to knowing about parenting than the experience of being a parent.

You need to back down, take a breath, look in the mirror, and reexamine what you are doing in this thread and what the intention of moderation is.
 

Strat

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I think 'everyone has been a kid and is therefore qualified to weigh in on being a parent' is a take on par with 'everyone has been inside of a building and is therefore qualified to weigh in on being an architect'
To be fair to this dude, that mod post is a bad take that multiple people called out.
I think it's easy to blame parents but many parents have a hard time raising their kids.

I was raised in a single parent family. My mother worked all day so she didn't have as much time for my sister and I as other parents might. When I was 9, we got a computer and she was happy to have me exploring the net alone. I started by using it to look up cheats and walkthroughs for the games that I already owned on console, but it didn't take too long before I found MMOs.

From there, I ended up hooked on MMOs. I used my mothers credit card to subscribe to them (she provided this, but she was often annoyed by the additional charges where I'd purchased some pet or something). At the time I was definitely addicted. But honestly, my mother was just happy that she knew where I was and that I was safe. That I wasn't running around getting into trouble.

When I was at school, I was constantly getting into fights, so she was just happy that I was at home and not being hurt. I ended up skipping school (50% attendance for my high school years) to keep playing MMOs. But I was still passing all of my exams so she didn't really mind. She knew that I hated school so I kept playing my MMO. Even when I did attend school, I would sign into classes then leave with friends. We would smoke and play Halo, then I'd go home to play my MMO alone.

I gave my mother a pretty hard time, and the way I was playing games was absolutely interfering with my day to day functioning, education and social life. But a lot of the other kids in my class were being expelled for violent behaviour, or out on the streets causing trouble.

For what it's worth, those kids almost exclusively, still live in my hometown. I educated myself and took myself to University, because I knew it would be better for me to get out and explore the world. I got a masters degree, and found a job in the games industry. My mothers hands off approach was probably best, as it gave me the space to recognise that my behaviour was harmful.
Thanks for sharing. The big take away is that you cannot know what a specific parent/family unit is going through. Screaming "bad parents" at these types of things is to be willfully ignorant of how raising children works. There are tons of horrible shitty parents, yes, but good and caring parents can absolutely have kids who develop problems.

The stigma around mental health, especially the mental health of children, shouldn't be boiled down to "bad parents" and it's ridiculous to believe that's even remotely close to a salient point in the discussion of a childs possible addiction to video games.
 

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You never knew anyone who got sent away to rehab for no reason? I've known at least 2-3 people that got sent away just so their rich parents didnt have to deal with a menial problem of the kids smoking weed in the house once a month.

Edit:and were not talking sandals resort rehab, were talking deserts of Nevada, dont try to run you'll die in the desert, bootcamp/prison type rehabs. Completely ruined those kids lives just so they didnt have to try and understand their own children.
No I don't know anyone who that happened to. I am a recovering addict though, and my addiction started when I was 12. I did not receive psychological treatment for it until well into adulthood, and getting treatment as a child would've spared me years of psychological trauma and abuse. So I have a particular perspective on this issue, someone who experienced what you are talking about would likely have a different one.
 

Wamb0wneD

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And it's not that simple and shows you have no understanding of how addictions form or the lengths people will go to in order to feed them
I was (still am) addicted to drugs, stopped using them 4 years ago, but thanks for your condescendation anyway.

What lenghts has a kid to play Fortnite? If the parents take away the Playstation and lock it up what can the kid do? Go to friends and play it there? Parents just don't allow it. "Be back after school, if you want to hang out with friends invite them over here and find something else to do with them than playing videogames" Done.
 

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....What people are saying is that the parents should have done something before the addiction manifested. When you kid is addicted to Fortnite you let it play that stuff hours, on hours on hours on end. These are still children, not adults who may slip into addiction by themselves for whatever reasons. If your kid has depression and is coping with Fortnite to the point it gets addicted you already fucked up as a parent when it's at that point.

That's still making a mockery of addiction.

Because addiction isn't something that necessarily announces itself in advance. It's not this concrete force that makes it obvious what kind of barrier will stop it. You can be a parent who's amazing in most respects, and still miss that this seemingly harmless activity is actually becoming a corrosive force in your child's life.
 

MegaMix

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It does always start with the parents, but it doesn't end there, and to think instilling discipline makes them stay on the right path is some hugely naive worldview where I totally get why fellow parents ITT start becoming snobby to twenty somethings who give parenting advice. You think you can discipline your kids because you are structured and always fair. That's not how the world works kiddo. You cannot control your kids, they will not listen to what you say, being a good parent is not how all of addiction gets solved in the world. Your kids are parented by you.. and the school, and their friends, and the parents of their friends, and youth workers, and their sport club. And they have their own personality. I've seen unruly kids in the warmest most balanced families. You have some control, especially in their first four years when they are unreasonable to begin with. Outside of that, you can hope to be a guiding hand, but little more.

My twin brother suffered from a marijuana addiction, he flunked out of university and had to work more than a decade of menial jobs to get out of student debt, I finished college, PhD and am now a professor. Obviously how our parents raised us was not the deciding factor.
While I agree with Ninja's general argument, this thread is filled with 20 something armchair parents.

I worked in a facility for troubled youths, and while that may be an extreme comparison, believe me there are limits on "tough love parenting". At the end of the day it is them who decide whether or not to engage in certain behaviors, not you. Especially, once they hit puberty.

I can't count the amount of guys who thought that they just could just use their "stern" voice and get them to be orderly ended up having the train run on them.
 

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I was (still am) addicted to drugs, stopped using them 4 years ago, but thanks for your condescendation anyway.

What lenghts has a kid to play Fortnite? If the parents take away the Playstation and lock it up what can the kid do? Go to friends and play it there? Parents just don't allow it. "Be back after school, if you want to hang out with friends invite them over here and find something else to do with them than playing videogames" Done.
Does the kid have a phone? Does their school have computers? What about the public library, or (as you said) a friend's house? What about when the parents aren't home, but the kid is? An addicted kid is going to be able to find the playstation, learn his/her parents' schedule well enough to be able to play without them knowing, and even get up in the middle of the night to play.

At some point it gets far too difficult for a parent to manage alone, and they need to seek outside help.
 

Wamb0wneD

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That's still making a mockery of addiction.

Because addiction isn't something that necessarily announces itself in advance. It's not this concrete force that makes it obvious what kind of barrier will stop it. You can be a parent who's amazing in most respects, and still miss that this seemingly harmless activity is actually becoming a corrosive force in your child's life.
When you kid plays a shitton of hours of Fornite it's pretty damn clearly announced ffs. Nothing about sitting in front of your TV 24/7 as a kid is harmless, especially not when it happens all the time. We aren't talking about drug usage here that can be not as easily detected. When you see you kid playing that shit all the time for hours on end day in day out do something about it, if you don't do or don't even see it you failed as a parent in that instance.
 

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How do you explain the parents who have chimed in on this thread who've bucked this trend though? There are plenty of people who have said they're able to manage this sort of stuff without many issues, just by putting more effort into being active as a parent.

"My Little Susie was diagnosed with depression but I took her outside more and she got better, I don't understand these parents who use therapists or medication. I'd didn't have to therefore no one should have to uwu "

It's almost like children are their own complex beings who will always have different environmental factors and things can't be replicated universally 1:1
 

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When you kid plays a shitton of hours of Fornite it's pretty damn clearly announced ffs. Nothing about sitting in front of your TV 24/7 as a kid is harmless, especially not when it happens all the time. We aren't talking about drug usage here that can be not as easily detected. When you see you kid playing that shit all the time for hours on end day in day out do something about it, if you don't do or don't even see it you failed as a parent in that instance.
It is entirely possible for a child to engage in a harmful addiction without their parents knowing. I know this because I was that addicted kid (not to videogames).
 

Omegasquash

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Oct 31, 2017
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....What people are saying is that the parents should have done something before the addiction manifested. When your kid is addicted to Fortnite you let it play that stuff hours, on hours on hours on end. These are still children, not adults who may slip into addiction by themselves for whatever reasons. If your kid has depression and is coping with Fortnite to the point it gets addicted you already fucked up as a parent when it's at the point of a serious addiction because you had the tools to not let it go that far.

I think the bolded demonstrates a serious lack of understanding on how addiction manifests itself.
 

Wamb0wneD

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Oct 26, 2017
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Does the kid have a phone? Does their school have computers? What about the public library, or (as you said) a friend's house? What about when the parents aren't home, but the kid is? An addicted kid is going to be able to find the playstation, learn his/her parents' schedule well enough to be able to play without them knowing, and even get up in the middle of the night to play.

At some point it gets far too difficult for a parent to manage alone, and they need to seek outside help.
Restrict the phone or give it not the newawest phone that's able to run Fortnite. Be sure there isn't fucking Fortnite installed on school computers with the school in question.
And if my kid suddenly has that daily urge to go to the library I'd think my part. At a friends house? Only let the kid go to friends where you checked with the other parents whats going on there and inform them about what you don't want your kid to do there.
The kid can't play at night or when the partens aren't home when the console is locked away.

If the kid is literally breaking open the closet to get its playstation or is never at home after school (again, set the boundaries of that being a no go if you don't know where they are) yes, you clearly know your kid has issues far beyond your reach and should seek help. I never argued against parents seeking help, I argued against parents not being able to realize their kid is addicted to a video game. Which is far easier to detect that drug usage and easier to monitor as well.
 

ctcatsby

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Oct 27, 2017
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Why anyone would listen to a yammering man-child with a high school education give advice on parenting is beyond me. I'd give more credence to the barflies at the local dive.
 

Bjones

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Oct 30, 2017
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The hard thing here is that social gaming is relatively new in the grand scheme of things. When I was young playing nes .. a lot .. it was a totally different experience than playing online with a thriving online community who are your kids friends in real life. It's not so much just turning off a game as it is not " hanging out " with your friends.

But just like socializing in the real world you still have to learn structure. For kids it's usually chores, homework, food, hygiene.

The problem I see here maybe that parents are right to restrict gaming time , but fail to look at as a social event .. not just a game. So they don't handle it accordingly. Like you wouldn't pull up to kids hanging out somewhere and grab them and say " okay times up!" Right in front of everyone if they were a bit late.