When all was said and done Xbox sold less than PS3 at the end of last gen. That was with a year head start, infact even more than a year in Europe.
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Xbox One X "Performing Phenomenally" says NPD
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I don't know how to tell this again USA videogames market alone is more than the entire Europe all together
No shit. The discussion was regarding the West. Japan will always be a key reason why Xbox cannot beat a PlayStation WW total, just as it was last gen.
When PS3 launched Xbox 360 had already sold 10 million. Japan didn't account for making that kind of margin up. Japan is a reason yes, a key reason no.
Edit: just checked and ps3 did sell 10 mill in Japan and 360 little over 1 mill. I stand corrected!
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eh.....Spider-man is a marvel character alright but Spider-Man the game (the current) is through and through a sony 1st party ip.
This situation is similar to that of Crash Team Racing. Though Crash bandicoot is an activision ip, but Crash Team Racing the game is a sony ip. (different from the mainline Crash games where the games themselves are activision ip)
Look it up.
Nice to see that the One X is doing well. I remember that most people predicted that it won't really matter and will be a total niche product.
I welcome the success of the midgen upgrades. The increase in power is important for me as consoles really show their age after 3 - 4 years.
I welcome the success of the midgen upgrades. The increase in power is important for me as consoles really show their age after 3 - 4 years.
This is good news (for me) for next gen. I hope MS continues to deliver a premium console. I know Sony will not pursue this route.
You were wrong and he said nothing fanboyish. Stop the nonsense.
Japan doesn't really do huge numbers for Sony anymore. Of the 86m PS4 consoles sold, only 7m are from Japan. In other words Japan accounts for roughly 8% of global PS4 sales. If you were to take Japan out of the equation, the console would still be crushing it along with much of the competition sales wise. Ultimately the PS4's lead is predominantly because of its success in the West, notably Europe.
good, very good. Progress is progress. Everyone doing well this year. Bit of uncertainy next year but lets live in the moment.
Switch and PS4 to seem lead in terms of software coming into 2019, will be interesting to see for sure
Xbox lost Europe really hard this generation it's gonna be very hard to conquer it again due to ecosystem lock with PS4 digital games
Depends on if those games are playable next gen. Licencing wise, it remains to be seen as Microsoft have brought next to no Live Arcade releases to BC, only retail.
Sony has always been about mass market product design. Look at the Pro, even that is not premium quality. TBH I expect a better designed machine from MS next gen, they have obviously found their "thing". Well I hope, because I am the target audience for that ;) (the PC gamer with an console as a side dish :) )
Good to see that their good efforts don't go unrewarded. The XB1X is a great piece of electronics.
I wasn't talking about this gen and XBO. XBO is getting crushed because Microsoft royally fucked up this generation on an epic scale and have only been turning things around during this last year.
7m is still a big number, only 3m less than the final PS3 total last gen. If XBO manages to regain marketshare in the West again next gen then 7-10m is still a big chunk missing due to their lack of presence in the third largest videogame market.
That said, we are only discussing hardware sales here, and it's clear that the Xbox platform going forward isn't just about hardware sales anymore, with W10 and xCloud.
Depends. Don't forget the 360 also had a one year headstart vs the PS3. But yea, whilst 7m is no small chunk, I don't think it would be enough to sway things in any major tangible way. How each platform does in the West will ultimately be the key deciding factor to the success of either of the two platforms.
But it was enough for PS3 to end up beating XBO sales by the end of last gen.
As for next gen, aside from Switch neither of us knows enough to make any assumptions. If I was a betting man, I'd be predicting 1) Switch 2) PS5 3) XB Next. But I expect the gap between 2 and 3 to be much closer than this gen, and xCloud and PC gaming to be taking a much more significant role in the Xbox ecosystem.
Sure but as it stands right now it's still hardware. Problem is when you start running into bunch of empty servers in europe like on bF1 and Halo communities
X1X is a well designed piece of hardware. So well deserved.
Also, I'm not sure if I'm surprised by what's happening. I mean it's unprecedented sure, but the X1 launch was also unprecedented in its own way. The main issue this console had (besides the initial pricing stupidity of bundling Kinect in every box, something which was quickly rectified) was all the negative perceptions surrounding it which were generated between its reveal and its release. So now that Xbox is rebuilding its brand image, it's not really surprising that they're "recovering", which given their not-so-good performance up until now, only means potential growth.
Also, I'm not sure if I'm surprised by what's happening. I mean it's unprecedented sure, but the X1 launch was also unprecedented in its own way. The main issue this console had (besides the initial pricing stupidity of bundling Kinect in every box, something which was quickly rectified) was all the negative perceptions surrounding it which were generated between its reveal and its release. So now that Xbox is rebuilding its brand image, it's not really surprising that they're "recovering", which given their not-so-good performance up until now, only means potential growth.
This shouldn't come as a surprise, since OG X1 sales were pretty bad. Yet it's still being outsold by practically every other system. I am convinced they would've sold a lot more at 399.00 with a checkerboarding solution, like Pro. But I'm glad MS is kinda getting out of the gutter with their system. Competition is always good.
Not really. Sony will easily win next gen if they don't majorly fuck up like they did before or like MS did this gen. Late era PS3 and this gen shows the mainstream cares about big AAA single player blockbusters and low hardware pricing. The former is Sony's expertise if it comes down to exclusives. They only need one big PS5 launch banger like Horizon Zero Dawn 2 or some big cross gen games (TLoU2/Death Stranding/Ghost of Tsushima) and the fish is practically already in the barrel. The latter will be interesting (or actually not). MS shouting they will have the stronger hardware will possibly mean they will also have the more expensive hardware: 2-0 for Sony because exclusives will push the public to PS5. Identical specs with the same price will hurt MS even more. And then there's PS5 probably supporting BC. So that means 100-150 million of gamers can carry over their PS4 library. They're not gonna throw that away.
Yeah I live in Holland. Xbox is practically dead here. Personally I don't know anybody who owns an Xbox One. Xbox TV commercials are nowhere to be seen. Advertising during Champions League soccer matches are also only from PlayStation. In stores you will find a lot more PlayStation space than Xbox.
You guys are really underestimating the power of the PlayStation brand right now. It will sell itself without even blinking next generation.
Not really. Sony will easily win next gen if they don't majorly fuck up like they did before or like MS did this gen. Late era PS3 and this gen shows the mainstream cares about big AAA single player blockbusters and low hardware pricing. The former is Sony's expertise if it comes down to exclusives. They only need one big PS5 launch banger like Horizon Zero Dawn 2 or some big cross gen games (TLoU2/Death Stranding/Ghost of Tsushima) and the fish is practically already in the barrel. The latter will be interesting (or actually not). MS shouting they will have the stronger hardware will possibly mean they will also have the more expensive hardware: 2-0 for Sony because exclusives will push the public to PS5. Identical specs with the same price will hurt MS even more. And then there's PS5 probably supporting BC. So that means 100-150 million of gamers can carry over their PS4 library. They're not gonna throw that away.
Yeah I live in Holland. Xbox is practically dead here. Personally I don't know anybody who owns an Xbox One. Xbox TV commercials are nowhere to be seen. Advertising during Champions League soccer matches are also only from PlayStation. In stores you will find a lot more PlayStation space than Xbox.
You guys are really underestimating the power of the PlayStation brand right now. It will sell itself without even blinking next generation.
Portugal here I own an One X but my wife family is Xbox only.
However Xbox share is 7% over here. They only have 1 game stand compared to 15 from PS and 7 from switch on stores
Are you talking about consoles, PC, mobile combined?
Yes americans probably spend more money in games, DLC, MTX than the Europeans, but I doubt they buy more consoles, especially Playstations.
Sony sold 86 million.
7 in Japan.
20-25 in the US?
>50 millions have been sold WW, I doubt thst latin america, Africa, China or Autralia made the largest part of it.
Rewind and read what people were saiyng in 2012. Never, ever assume a fight like this is an easy win.
Xbox offers the best of everything except its first party games, I can't I think of any area where it lacks apart from the most obvious, once the games content start flowing and at pace it's going to be tough competition across the west. Honestly, I'm happy to see their lack of exclusive 1st party games impact them so severely, next gen we are going to see an Xbox with the full financial and corporate backing of MS for the first time. Nadella completely believes in gaming as a core business for MS, that alone is pretty damn exciting.
It's not clear cut, MS are not going to mess up this time and are continuing to address their core problem. Gamepass will be a big deal next gen too.
Winning is having an unprecedented investment in Xbox whilst MS also build one of their strongest and most financially successful positions in a long time.
The biggest company of any making consoles investing in their product following an internal battle over its very existence in the company portfolio, that's winning!
Xbox one X is blatantly the best console form a hardware perspective, it is so well made. Positive signs for next gen if Microsoft continue to design consoles that way. Great to see it is performing as it should/deserves.
i would imagine that it is performing considerably better than the pro is, in perspective of split?
I want all consoles to do well. so this is great to see.
i would imagine that it is performing considerably better than the pro is, in perspective of split?
I want all consoles to do well. so this is great to see.
Last place on consoles, first (or near-first place) on market valuation. Can't explain that.
I dunno, what were people saying back then? Based on late PS3 era, I always expected PS4 to dominate and that was even before both console reveals. There was not a single indication that X1 would dominate. PS3 sales were booming due to exclusive games. Sony investing in studio's like Naughty Dog, Santa Monica and Guerilla years ago was a stroke of genius which has been paying out for 2 generations now and some of them (like Guerilla) are just getting started. It is good that MS now sees that investing in first party studios is the right thing to do, but they're like 15-20 years behind on this aspect? It's gonna be catching up for at least the next 2 generations, is my expectation.
"Durango", as it was known back then, was supposed to be a beast and beat Sony to the ground. We all know how it turned out. Of course you'll always find warriors on both brands yelling their sports team will win no matter what, but it's so easy to assume wrong in those cases that the best prediction one can make is that it'll be unpredictable.
MS lost this gen for a host of reasons but in large part because they shot themselves in the foot with a bazooka. No one can predict how the tables will turn, especially so early when we basically know jack shit about the hardware and its pricing, not to mention the possibility we'll see (at least on MS side) a tripe SKU as described before (low end streaming box, mid end "typical" console, high end premium hardware). Good luck predicting how the market will react to that.
Have you seen BF5 on the Xbox One S? This mid gen upgrade on the Xbox One is basically a must if you don't wanna play a pixelated mess at 720p on a 4k OLED TV like I am.
I mean, they all fight for the American market, but in Europe while Playstation is bigger than the other brands by a measurable margin, Nintendo's market in Japan is over twice as large as Sony's, so not sure you can call Europe Playstation land, but not call Japan Nintendo's, every week this year just about, Nintendo has sold over 70% of the dedicated hardware in that country.
Another way to look at this is that Sony is the only company to have a strong presence in all 3 major markets, which is why their consoles always sell so well. Nintendo has a strong hold on 2 and gaining ground in Europe, while Xbox has a strong hold in America and some success in Europe, but Japan is outright hostile to the Xbox brand, maybe the solution is to partner with another Japanese publisher to create a new Japanese brand for Microsoft's console there, someone like Sega "returning" to the market, by releasing the Xbox there as some sort of Mars box or whatever Sega would name a new console. This idea btw, is what Nintendo almost did with Atari for the launch of the NES.
Also, I think Europe is the country that needs to see growth from both Microsoft and Nintendo, Switch seems to be doing well there, so that is good, but it's probably the most important market for them to gain ground in. Sony needs to gain ground in Japan, PS4 a much more successful system, at a much more reasonable price, is at best flat with the failing PS3. The Vita also failed heavily here, so it's important for Sony to gain ground in Japan IMO, but they will likely continue to put out 100 Million selling consoles regardless.
It's too bad it won't get many first party games to take full advantage of it. The newly acquired studios don't have the time to ship current gen Xbox One X games unless they have something already well underway (like Ninja Theory is rumored to have).
Really? I wasn't really active on online forums back than, but that was a strange prediction then. But isn't MS now saying the next Xbox is going to be a beast? :+
If MS and/or Sony are really totally ignorant, they will release multiple SKU's from the start. I can't imagine a more stupid thing to do than that. Let's see, one one hand we have console maker A. with 3 different SKU's? What? The expensive one has better graphics? But will the cheaper ones play all the games than? I'm so confused. On the other hand, we have console maker B, that has one system that plays all, no hassle at all. I know how that will play out.
I bought the X on the Black Friday.. I don't play a lot of Xbox but when I do man I wanted to shoot myself for playing such a pixelated mess at 720... FREAKING SMOKE is pixelated man
Yeah the One X is a great piece of hardware. Even though I have a highend PC, I thought about buying one ... just because it's fucking rad. MS did very well.
Have a (launch) PS4 Pro, which is at least better than the base model, but I can't wait to ditch that thing because it's so freaking loud. The OneX so much better engineered.
We should ask ZhugeEX about it but I think big part of market is a substantial part of it ...don't know the %