Xbox One X "Performing Phenomenally" says NPD

Ive always said that I hoped the Xb1x would outperform the Pro, because I'd rather see a mid-gen console chasing hardcore gamers than a mass market price point. I hope that does come to pass, or at least the gap reduces by enough that Sony takes note, because hopefully it'll inform their mid-gen strategy next generation.

Kasey said:

Next gen is gonna be real interesting.

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Let's be real. Barring a miracle it's going to be exactly like this one.

Manmademan said:

Let's be real. Barring a miracle it's going to be exactly like this one.

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I really doubt that. Xbox is poised to get back a lot of lost mindshare.

MauroNL said:

Y'all have analysts for everything huh?

Is there an analyst analyst?

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Actually... yes. Our President of Retail.

Mahonay said:

$100 off for a beefy system during Black Friday sales. I'm not surprised at all. I mused the idea of getting an XB1 X myself.

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The period I'm referring to is YTD end Nov 3rd. The Black Friday deal and other November sales won't be released until Dec 18th.

Manmademan said:

Let's be real. Barring a miracle it's going to be exactly like this one.

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People think that at this point every generation. And every generation things go haywire and something completely different happens.

Prine said:

But the discussion is going OUTSIDE of what has been claimed, we're in a NPD sales thread, why are we bringing up EU sales? we're speaking about growth of Xbox, why are people bringing up PS4 and Nintendo comparisons? I dont often see Matt having to weigh in as much with his claims in other threads, but alot of his input unfortunately is correcting horribly inaccurate takes on Xbox. Honestly, handwaving attempts to derail this discussion isnt helping either.



There's definately a tinge of that from suspect posters, but i want to give them the benefit of the doubt, however i think this is an accurate assessment,

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I dont see anything out of the ordinary here in terms of vgame forums. The interest in sony v ms v nintendo reflects install base, sure, but i have not noticed anyone shitting on xbox anymore than any other console.

Sales threads are good for tearing data apart, and to do that you need people to question things and argue points. I guess there could be a separte back patting only thread? Would be dull AF though.

Kasey said:

I really doubt that. Xbox is poised to get back a lot of lost mindshare.

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extremely unlikely. The Xbox360 owes the vast majority of the ground it gained that gen to the PS3 launching at $599 US Dollars and being inexplicably worse looking/performing due to the difficulty in programming for the damn thing.

Sony isn't going to do that again. There's no scenario where they launch a system at the equivalent of $750 US that's worse than the competition half that much.

PSN and Live also have quite a bit of "lock in" as well as they've gotten much more robust- people don't want to lose games they paid for, or friends they met there if they have a choice. Assuming both systems launch somewhere in the same price and performance ballpark (which they will, let's be real) anyone invested isn't going anywhere.

And finally- Sony has the EU And JP on lockdown, AND much more developed first and second party studios cranking out content. There's not a lot MS can to do reverse this- the EU (UK aside) and JP just aren't receptive to the system despite many, many years of MS making the attempt. The greater worldwide marketshare means that Sony is going to have a better time signing third party exclusivity deals, and that's all she wrote.

It also doesn't help MS at ALL that flagship 360 games like Halo and Gears have lost a TON of mindshare. Those franchises are shadows of their former selves and would need to see revolutionary entries to attract new eyeballs.

Nintendo will continue to do what they always do, regardless.

Manmademan said:

Let's be real. Barring a miracle it's going to be exactly like this one.

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Indeed, maybe not a big gap like this gen but it's pretty much a given.

TheChewyWaffles said:

I have three at mine.

Total so far: 4

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I have 1 so that's 5. Those 5 consoles count for all of the game sharing contributing to the 5 million plus sales of PUBG. Remember those shitshow threads from earlier this year?

Manmademan said:

Let's be real. Barring a miracle it's going to be exactly like this one.

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How do you figure? This gen started with the 3DS and Vita both underperforming out the gate, the Vita then subsequently flopping completely and killing Sony's handheld ambitions, then the WiiU flopping completely, then the XBO bungling it's launch and tumbling to a very distant second place vs Sony.

Next gen is already off to an intriguing start with Switch doing great. Microsoft seems like it's much, much, much better positioned to start off decently compared to last time.

Manmademan said:

Let's be real. Barring a miracle it's going to be exactly like this one.

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What else can your crystal ball see?

Manmademan said:

Let's be real. Barring a miracle it's going to be exactly like this one.

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It already isn't, considering how Switch is doing compared to Wii U, and how it's already changing how and where many people are playing.

Also I highly doubt the next Xbox is going to be weighed down at launch with a PR disaster, a Kinect as standard, be underpowered, oversized, and $100 more than its competitor.

Then there's the cloud streaming thrown in to the mix, services like Game Pass and PS Now, Smart devices playing AAA games.

Sony will likely do everything right with PS5, it will perform on a similar trajectory, and they will continue their top drawer first party output - but that doesn't mean that the landscape outside of the PlayStation bubble will simply stay the same as this generation.

ThereAreFourNaan said:

How do you figure? This gen started with the 3DS and Vita both underperforming out the gate, the Vita then subsequently flopping completely and killing Sony's handheld ambitions, then the WiiU flopping completely, then the XBO bungling it's launch and tumbling to a very distant second place vs Sony.

Next gen is already off to an intriguing start with Switch doing great. Microsoft seems like it's much, much, much better positioned to start off decently compared to last time.

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EVERYONE called the Vita and the WiiU underperforming. I can't think of anyone in their right mind that thought either one would be a success. PSP sales had fallen off HARD- smartphones were eating that market alive and that's ALSO the reason the 3DS was stumbling compared to the DS.

The WiiU was ill-conceived and vastly underpowered out of the gate and had virtually nothing to offer anyone who wasn't neck deep in nintendo's ecosystem to begin with- which would never have exceeded the 20 odd million who bought the gamecube.

The XBO even if it hadn't bungled it's launch would still have had to compete with a PS4 that was exactly as powerful, at a similar price point, with better third party and first party support while MS's flagship first party franchises (halo, gears, forza) continued to decline. In contrast, Sony had been pumping out extremely strong first and second party titles on the PS3 and erased the lead microsoft had worldwide over the last several years of that console.

There was no way this generation was turning out any other way than "Sony wins." the only debate was how big the gap was going to be.

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It already isn't, considering how Switch is doing compared to Wii U, and how it's already changing how and where many people are playing.

Also I highly doubt the next Xbox is going to be weighed down at launch with a PR disaster, a Kinect as standard, be underpowered, oversized, and $100 more than its competitor.

Then there's the cloud streaming thrown in to the mix, services like Game Pass and PS Now, Smart devices playing AAA games.

Sony will likely do everything right with PS5, it will perform on a similar trajectory, and they will continue their top drawer first party output - but that doesn't mean that the landscape outside of the PlayStation bubble will simply stay the same as this generation.

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i consider the WiiU to be an abberation. it's one of the most ill concieved consoles since the virtual boy. I also don't consider it a current generation machine. despite when Ninty launched it that thing was never capable of handling anything more than Ps360 level games. Nintendo was always going to do "ok" this gen and better than the WiiU, but true mass market success is going to elude the switch for one very big reason.

Nintendo can't cost reduce that thing to the same degree they could the gamecube, the wii, or any of the DS variants. They also can't cost reduce it to the same extent Sony can with the PS4 or MS can with the Xbox1. It's a more complicated piece of kit with lower margins. It's selling well now, but at some point you need to cater to the $99 crowd and I don't think they can without taking a LOT of losses.

The switch2 will have it's market and will be profitable for nintendo, but they're not going to take a bath on the thing to try to take out the PS5. that would be lunacy and simply can't be done assuming the switch2 is the same animal as the Switch is.

Look lets be real:

We need both companies to push each other to the limit. We win when this happens. No one benefits form a Sony or MS only world when it comes to games. I hope Sony and MS respond with their best next gen, with the consumer in mind.

This is coming from someone who has MS owned games tattooed on his body.

TheChewyWaffles said:

I have three at mine.

Total so far: 4

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that's how many 360's i had, factoring in RROD.

Manmademan said:

The XBO even if it hadn't bungled it's launch would still have had to compete with a PS4 that was exactly as powerful, at a similar price point, with better third party and first party support while MS's flagship first party franchises (halo, gears, forza) continued to decline. In contrast, Sony had been pumping out extremely strong first and second party titles on the PS3 and erased the lead microsoft had worldwide over the last several years of that console.
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In this parallel universe where XBO didn't have a botched launch with a PR disaster, underpowered hardware, oversized hardware, Kinect and be $100 more expensive, why are you assuming that their first and third party support would be the same? Surely in this parallel universe where all those things were different, their first and third party strategy would also have been different. So your argument is quite frankly, ridiculous.

Also with regards to your second point, by the end of the generation, it's worth noting that 360 ended up still retaining a 9m lead over PS3 outside of Japan. But obviously we all know about Xbox in Japan and that killed any chance they had of retaining their lead WW.

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extremely unlikely. The Xbox360 owes the vast majority of the ground it gained that gen to the PS3 launching at $599 US Dollars and being inexplicably worse looking/performing due to the difficulty in programming for the damn thing.

Sony isn't going to do that again. There's no scenario where they launch a system at the equivalent of $750 US that's worse than the competition half that much.

PSN and Live also have quite a bit of "lock in" as well as they've gotten much more robust- people don't want to lose games they paid for, or friends they met there if they have a choice. Assuming both systems launch somewhere in the same price and performance ballpark (which they will, let's be real) anyone invested isn't going anywhere.

And finally- Sony has the EU And JP on lockdown, AND much more developed first and second party studios cranking out content. There's not a lot MS can to do reverse this- the EU (UK aside) and JP just aren't receptive to the system despite many, many years of MS making the attempt. The greater worldwide marketshare means that Sony is going to have a better time signing third party exclusivity deals, and that's all she wrote.

It also doesn't help MS at ALL that flagship 360 games like Halo and Gears have lost a TON of mindshare. Those franchises are shadows of their former selves and would need to see revolutionary entries to attract new eyeballs.

Nintendo will continue to do what they always do, regardless.

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You forget Microsoft lost mindshare due to similar mistakes ($499, worse looking games, DRM, forced Kinect) which have all been reversed. It's entirely possible the next Xbox will be more powerful than PS5, and will have a lower barrier to entry with it's streaming box.

Also, Sony no longer has a larger first party organization. They are about equal now, with Microsoft still likely to grow.

Manmademan said:

There was no way this generation was turning out any other way than "Sony wins." the only debate was how big the gap was going to be.

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In hindsight everything is obvious, but it was not clear in 2011-2012 that these things were going to happen to the degree they did. For WiiU, Analysts were a mix of cautious and cautiously optimistic, but none were coming out of the woodwork to say "ah yes, the WiiU will be the lowest selling Nintendo console of all time" or anything like that. There's a particularly hilarious line here:

"With many of the casual gaming segment embracing mobile devices for gaming, without a shift in strategy and pricing the Wii U will likely fail to match the success of the Wii, which will impact future console shipments," said senior analyst Michael Inouye.

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For 3DS, they were relatively positive about its prospects. Hardcore gamers on forums (but not necessarily analysts!) were very enthusiastic about the Vita when it was announced, especially vs 3DS.

XBO vs PS4 was not consistently called as being as 2:1 domination for Sony. Like that was absolutely not the conventional wisdom prior to maybe late 2014 when sales figures started becoming clearer and clearer. People on average DO NOT predict massive unexpected shifts, and when they do, they're generally laughed at. It's extremely difficult to see the future, but after it happened everybody thinks it seems so obvious retrospectively.

In any case, I'm not clear why a Microsoft of 2020-2022, being much more aggressive with its lineup of exclusive games (versus XBO), having learned from it's XBO mistakes, having several years of good PR from BC, Crossplay, Gamepass and so on would suffer the same fate as the XBO this generation. It seems to me that the actor with the most to lose is Sony, since they're on top currently. They may still be on top! But I do not expect Microsoft to trail by the same distance, and I do consider it possible that they will wind up on top in the American market.

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In this parallel universe where XBO didn't have a botched launch with a PR disaster, underpowered hardware, oversized hardware, Kinect and be $100 more expensive, why are you assuming that their first and third party support would be the same? Surely in this parallel universe where all those things were different, their first and third party strategy would also have been different. So your argument is quite frankly, ridiculous.

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XBO's power is perfectly fine for the average consumer. put them side by side and 99% of people couldn't tell you which was which. power isn't the issue.

MS's FIRST PARTY support fell off hard in the latter years of the 360 because MS simply didn't feel like making the investment to the same extent that Sony did. Flat out, that's the reason. MS is simply a much larger company with bigger fish to fry, and going all in on software development isn't really necessary for the company to succeed. Sony on the other hand is sitting in a position where the Playstation is the cornerstone of the company. Their investment in that system is always going to exceed microsoft for this reason.

The THIRD PARTY strategy largely isn't up to microsoft at all. Third parties look at global marketshare and determine who can move the most systems. continental europe and JP have written off the xbox brand to a VERY large extent and there isn't a viable strategy MS can implement to reverse this. the 360 outsold the PS3 by over a 2:1 margin in the US last generation, and the worldwide result was a tie. Without that overwhelming stateside dominance, they have no compelling argument to persuade third parties.

If Sony obtained a significant worldwide lead (which was always going to happen in the absence of $599 US dollars) MS has a very steep hill to climb to convince third parties to give it exclusivity over Sony. it simply wasn't happening.

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In any case, I'm not clear why a Microsoft of 2020-2022, being much more aggressive with its lineup of exclusive games (versus XBO), having learned from it's XBO mistakes, having several years of good PR from BC, Crossplay, Gamepass and so on would suffer the same fate as the XBO this generation. It seems to me that the actor with the most to lose is Sony, since they're on top currently. They may still be on top! But I do not expect Microsoft to trail by the same distance, and I do consider it possible that they will wind up on top in the American market.

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It's simple. NONE of that is going to move the needle in EU or JP. The US (where the Xbox actually has traction) may move slightly in favor of one console or another, but without overwhelming dominance in the US on the level of 2:1 sales or greater, nothing changes.

For Sony to overtake MS in the US (and the US only gap isn't that large, I concede this) MS had to make some extremely boneheaded mistakes. mistakes that Sony is VERY unlikely to repeat. even the $599 decision was driven by corporate decisions to push Blu-Ray and Cell that had nothing to do with gaming. The PS4 brand is extremely strong, "lock in" due to PSN and Live is greater than it was coming out of last gen due to higher digital sales and greater integration, so it will take a miracle for MS to move the needle in any significant margin.

If your argument is "well, maybe sony will screw up to the same level MS did with Kinect" that's not much of an argument.

MatPiscatella said:

People think that at this point every generation. And every generation things go haywire and something completely different happens.

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People also have a huge misconception of how relatively close the Xbox One and PS4 are in the US. It's a gap for sure, but nowhere near what it is WW. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Xbox is the market leader in the US next generation. I also wont be surprised if its Playstation or Nintendo.

But the Xbox brand is still hugely relevant and popular in the US

Manmademan said:

extremely unlikely. The Xbox360 owes the vast majority of the ground it gained that gen to the PS3 launching at $599 US Dollars and being inexplicably worse looking/performing due to the difficulty in programming for the damn thing.

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XBO's power is perfectly fine for the average consumer. put them side by side and 99% of people couldn't tell you which was which. power isn't the issue.
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Talk about a contradiction.

MatPiscatella said:

Actually... yes. Our President of Retail.



The period I'm referring to is YTD end Nov 3rd. The Black Friday deal and other November sales won't be released until Dec 18th.



People think that at this point every generation. And every generation things go haywire and something completely different happens.

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Not true. Nes-snes and ps1-ps2.

PS5 can be for Sony what PS2 was.

Only gens things change was Nintendo64 mistake and PS3 mistake.

Manmademan said:

Let's be real. Barring a miracle it's going to be exactly like this one.

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Ahh but remember that anything can and does happen.

Remember the infamous "what happens next gen?" thread back at the old place? Most people had Sony coming in dead last with more than a few even predicting them to actually drop out of gaming altogether.. lol

My thoughts are MS has done a lot of ground work the last few years and it seems they've really turned that focus now to making sure their first party offerings are also on par with the competition. I'm not going to predict who wins what next gen but all things considered, I'd expect more sales parity then what we're seeing now.

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not a contradiction at all. the PS3 cost twice as much as the 360 did at launch without any clear reason to the consumer why this would be the case. The games either looked the same or slightly worse. Ease of programming meant the 360 had a lot of western games either exclusive or on timed exclusive as well.

Power doesn't matter to the average consumer. Every generation up to this one the generation leader was NOT the one that had the strongest system.

But if you're going to charge consumers damned near double there needs to be a reason, and the average consumer had no idea what that reason was.

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Ahh but remember that anything can and does happen.

Remember the infamous "what happens next gen?" thread back at the old place? Most people had Sony coming in dead last with more than a few even predicting them to actually drop out of gaming altogether.. lol

My thoughts are MS has done a lot of ground work the last few years and it seems they've really turned that focus now to making sure their first party offerings are also on par with the competition. I'm not going to predict who wins what next gen but all things considered, I'd expect more sales parity then what we're seeing now.

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you want to dig up my posts at the old forum it had me calling this gen turning out exactly as it did, with perhaps the switch not doing as well as it currently is. It may take you quite a while though. This generation turning out as it has was obvious- the only question was how large the gap was going to be.

Benji said:

People also have a huge misconception of how relatively close the Xbox One and PS4 are in the US. It's a gap for sure, but nowhere near what it is WW. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Xbox is the market leader in the US next generation. I also wont be surprised if its Playstation or Nintendo.

But the Xbox brand is still hugely relevant and popular in the US

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We are talking only about US? Yes Ms can lead or can be a tie next gen? But I'm thinking worldwide. And ww I can't see Ms leading next-gen.

Yep, the X has done what it was intended to do, as has the Pro.

Evangelista said:

We are talking only about US? Yes Ms can lead or can be a tie next gen? But I'm thinking worldwide. And ww I can't see Ms leading next-gen.

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Which is the point. If they can't lead worldwide (which they can't, barring a miracle) then the third party exclusive race goes to Sony, because they have greater marketshare, and with those exclusives go most customers and with them, the generation.

Losing EU/JP to the extent that MS has puts them in an IMPOSSIBLE situation. I'm not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.

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We are talking only about US? Yes Ms can lead or can be a tie next gen? But I'm thinking worldwide. And ww I can't see Ms leading next-gen.

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Because this an NPD thread?

digitalrelic said:

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The Xbox brand continues to gather more and more momentum. Next gen is going to be really interesting.

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If you really think about it, creating a new offering alongside the base console that costs twice to two and a half times as much? Yes, revenues will be way up. Sales could be actually flat and you would still make twice as much in revenue.

If we're talking about console sales in units then it would be a conversation i'd be interested in, but an increase in revenue when your most appealing offering is the most expensive thing you can sell isn't that interesting. To me, it echoes that sales are in like with its highest year of sales. Why? That's when the Xbox One was about the same price as the X is now.

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We are talking only about US? Yes Ms can lead or can be a tie next gen? But I'm thinking worldwide. And ww I can't see Ms leading next-gen.

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Yeah no chance WW. The Xbox brand has far too weak of mindshare globally.

But in the US all things considered things are surprisingly close this generation in comparison to what the WW gap looks like

What a turnaround! The x is such an exciting console. They did the mid gen refresh right. If Nintendo does do a pro version of the switch they should take note from Microsoft.

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Which is the point. If they can't lead worldwide (which they can't, barring a miracle) then the third party exclusive race goes to Sony, because they have greater marketshare, and with those exclusives go most customers and with them, the generation.

Losing EU/JP to the extent that MS has puts them in an IMPOSSIBLE situation. I'm not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.

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There is no more third party race exclusive.

This will not happens.
Probably only a few Japanese games like Yakuza, Persona . But from Western studios? Not a chance.

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There is no more third party race exclusive.

This will not happens.
Probably only a few Japanese games like Yakuza, Persona . But from Western studios? Not a chance.

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Really? pretty sure insomniac is a third party. How is spiderman PS4 doing right now?

Manmademan said:

continental Europe and JP have written off the xbox brand to a VERY large extent and there isn't a viable strategy MS can implement to reverse this.

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Sure there is.
1. Don't delay the release for 10 months.
2. Remember to advertise the console.

This again proves power is the biggest factor in core gaming. Ask yourself, if we froze time right now and consoles as they exist were the last that could ever get introduced, who would be the sales leader in 5, 7, 10, 20, years? Inevitably it would be whoever the most powerful is, currently X1X (and if X1X didn't exist, then it would be the Ps4 Pro).

NOW, we wont get a chance to see that play out of course. PS5 and others more powerful than X1X will come along, in the meantime relatively high price will keep X1X from taking over. But in the long run, it 100% would.

Another way you can tell how important power is, the Ps5 talk pretty much literally started in earnest the day X1X was announced. It literally had to. People can type words saying they dont think power matters, but their actions prove otherwise.

The Xbox One X was able to get down to 399 this holiday which I'm sure helped tremendously. If/when it gets to 299, it'd be an absolute sales terror.

I'm speaking mostly of Xbox/PS gamers with the above and somewhat ignoring Nintendo (which tends to live somewhat outside the "core" IMO, although less so with Switch than Wii)

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Really? pretty sure insomniac is a third party. How is spiderman PS4 doing right now?

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But Spiderman is not a third party game. Is a Sony game made by a third party studio.

They could give the game to any studio.

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was that also the case for the 360? because they still got dismantled there even when the PS3 was 2x as much.

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Really? pretty sure insomniac is a third party. How is spiderman PS4 doing right now?

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Spider-Man is a first party Sony game.

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But Spiderman is not a third party game. Is a Sony game made by a third party studio.

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Spiderman is a case where MARVEL approached Sony to make a game, and Sony chose insomniac. Insomniac then said they wanted to make a spiderman game.

It is no NO WAY a first party Sony game. They don't own that property.

Why do you think Marvel went to Sony, and not Microsoft? Put on your thinking cap.

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EVERYONE called the Vita and the WiiU underperforming. I can't think of anyone in their right mind that thought either one would be a success. PSP sales had fallen off HARD- smartphones were eating that market alive and that's ALSO the reason the 3DS was stumbling compared to the DS.

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Plenty of people predicted the Vita and Wii U would be successful. Just dig up some old message board threads and see for yourself.

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It is not that the problem.

For Europeans like me we are no centered on shooters.

Ms needs a wide first party portfolio not centered on American taste if they want to succeds in Europe and Asia.

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Plenty of people predicted the Vita and Wii U would be successful. Just dig up some old message board threads and see for yourself.

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plenty of crazy people. There is no legitimate reason why either one would have been a market success. And no need to dig it up, I was there, having those discussions myself before release. Those two were DOA.

Both the Wii and the PSP had sales that had cratered far more than would have been normal, well before release of the Vita and WiiU for many, many legitimate reasons.

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Spiderman is a case where MARVEL approached Sony to make a game, and Sony chose insomniac. Insomniac then said they wanted to make a spiderman game.

It is no NO WAY a first party Sony game. They don't own that property.

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Sony owns the character license to Spider-Man. That's why they went to Sony.

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Japan is the biggest problem. Xbox 360 ended up with a 9m lead over PS3 WW with Japan excluded. But factor it back in and it was pretty much a tie. After blowing a lot of money on Japan last gen to no avail, I can't see Microsoft making much of an effort there again. But there's certainly potential to win the West again - not saying they will (we don't know anything about next gen yet) just that it isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

How did a thread about Xbox One X doing well somehow devolve into yet another console warzone? Sheesh.

Nice to see that the X has given the Xbox division a bit of a boost. Its a fine piece of tech that I love having in my living room. I was someone who was skeptical about mid generation updates, but the X was enough of a step forward for me to justify it. Particularly with the fine work their BC team is doing over there, and general enhancements to current gen software as well. They took that power increase and did more with it than just focus on new releases. It makes me feel validated in my purchases on their platform when they'll give attention to all of their available software.

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This is absolutely false. Sony owns film rights and nothing else.

and INSOMNIAC chose Spiderman, not Sony.

""Long story short: Sony came to us and asked if we wanted to work with Marvel. Sony and Marvel let us decide what character/universe we wanted to make a game based on. We chose Spider-Man." Insomniac was essentially given free range to choose where they wanted to focus their energy in the Marvel universe, and they landed on Marvel's Spider-Man themselves, rather than having it assigned to them."


https://www.playstationlifestyle.ne...se-spider-man-ps4-after-being-given-a-choice/

shark97 said:

This again proves power is the biggest factor in core gaming. Ask yourself, if we froze time right now and consoles as they exist were the last that could ever get introduced, who would be the sales leader in 5, 7, 10, 20, years? Inevitably it would be whoever the most powerful is, currently X1X (and if X1X didn't exist, then it would be the Ps4 Pro).

NOW, we wont get a chance to see that play out of course. PS5 and others more powerful than X1X will come along, in the meantime relatively high price will keep X1X from taking over. But in the long run, it 100% would.

Another way you can tell how important power is, the Ps5 talk pretty much literally started in earnest the day X1X was announced. It literally had to. People can type words saying they dont think power matters, but their actions prove otherwise.

The Xbox One X was able to get down to 399 this holiday which I'm sure helped tremendously. If/when it gets to 299, it'd be an absolute sales terror.

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May I introduce you to the Nintendo Switch currently making more money as a console than the Xbox One X

Manmademan said:

plenty of crazy people. There is no legitimate reason why either one would have been a market success. And no need to dig it up, I was there, having those discussions myself before release. Those two were DOA.

Both the Wii and the PSP had sales that had cratered well before release for many, many legitimate reasons.

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There were a lot of sane people who predicted success. I'm not just saying this because I'm salty about having made bad predictions myself (don't think I made any predictions one way or the other) but I don't remember it being a foregone conclusion for most that those machines would fail.

The old "predict next gen success/failure" thread was legendary. Filled with people thinking Sony would fall on dire times this gen.

Manmademan said:

This is absolutely false. Sony owns film rights and nothing else.

and INSOMNIAC chose Spiderman, not Sony.

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Why is it a Sony exclusive? It's not actually a character owned by Sony but there's been a lot of shake up with Spider-Man's character rights. You think Marvel just got Spider-Man in Avengers and the MCU and Sony got NOTHING but a percentage of a check Marvel cashes? There's more to this than Marvel saying, "hey, let's take our most popular character and ignore the rest of the video game market for his game"