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jacks81x

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...are they not that dumb? I think people are underestimating how fucked the Mariners are.

They need to tear it down and rebuild but they can't even start the rebuild because they owe a bunch of bad players a ton of money and they threw full no-trades at a bunch of them: Segura, Leake, Cano and Hernandez all have 8 digit salaries and no trade clauses, and that doesn't even count having to pay Kyle Seager just as much to be awful. The Mariners owe $116,000,000 in 2019 to those players (plus Dee Gordon) who aren't good and most of whom have literal negative trade value. The only player on their team who has a positive value and is making money is Segura. The Mariners also have a comically bad farm system and because none of their veterans are worth anything, they have no real way to reload.

Even without the no-trade clause they're screwed with Cano and Hernandez. They're 10-and-5 players now. So they can veto any trade anyway.
 
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Oakland A's announce plans for new park. Thread here.

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zulux21

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Where is the logic in trading FOR Cano and then turning around and trading Thor?
ideally you trade Thor to fill a number of other places, get a package that treats him as an ace with control until 2022, and you no longer have to worry if he is going to explode his harm and have no value in the next few years?

I know I personally would bet on him not pitching in the majors past 30. if he does I still expect him to take a very Tim Lincecum route.
 

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It's basically the Cleveland logic behind shopping one of Kluber, Carrasco, and now apparently Bauer to fill other holes using an existing surplus. The difference of course is that the Mets are located in New York City, New York not Cleveland, Ohio and could fill those other holes via free agency if they weren't owned by the Wilpons.
 

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Interesting insight by Rosenthal that perhaps the Yankees will pass on both Harper and Machado and target Arenado next offseason. His argument for Arenado is that he's got greater intangibles, is a good clubhouse leader, grinds out ABs, a plus plus defender, and won't command a 10-yr contract. I haven't seen enough of Arenado to make an argument for or against, but interesting nonetheless as I never even considered the Yanks pursuing Arenado.

 
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Interesting insight by Rosenthal that perhaps the Yankees will pass on both Harper and Machado and target Arenado next offseason. His argument for Arenado is that he's got greater intangibles, is a good clubhouse leader, grinds out ABs, a plus plus defender, and won't command a 10-yr contract. I haven't seen enough of Arenado to make an argument for or against, but interesting nonetheless as I never even considered the Yanks pursuing Arenado.



yeah I would take Arenado over both of them no question.
 

mjp2417

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Arenado will be 2-3 years older than Machado/Harper during his free agency and isn't available until next year (and there's no reason to believe he won't command a similarly long deal unless he drops off this year). You take the guy who is younger and is available now while your championship window is wide open rather than wait for a guy who might not even enter the market or might want to play somewhere else. At that point why not then just wait until the following summer if/when Trout becomes a free agent.
 

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Arenado will be 2-3 years older than Machado/Harper during his free agency and isn't available until next year (and there's no reason to believe he won't command a similarly long deal unless he drops off this year). You take the guy who is younger and is available now while your championship window is wide open rather than wait for a guy who might not even enter the market or might want to play somewhere else. At that point why not then just wait until the following summer if/when Trout becomes a free agent.

I don't think Arenado would get the same size contract that Harper and Machado would get. Also, it's not like the Yankees aren't already a championship contending team. Maybe the extra year will allow them to make a clearer assessment on whether Andujar can actually play 3B, or if Voit is a one hit wonder. I'm not against getting a Machado, but do it for the right price. Don't get into a bidding war with the Phillies if their owner is hell bent on spending stupidly as he said he might.
 

Windu

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I am conflicted. I am glad Joe is off of the TV.... But now he will ruin radio. And more Francoeur.... Ehhh

I guess at least he is more upbeat than Joe.

And I assume Don Sutton is going to retire soon. He is getting up there. Doesn't sound like he is in the best of health.
 

EnronERA

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I do not like this. Frency is not very good in the booth.

Who is leaving from the radio side? I assume its Don. We've had less and less of Don the last few years, I hope his health is ok.
 

TheeFanatic

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Watching local news and Kenley had his heart surgery. He said he needs to stay hydrated at all times.



Hopefully we get 16,17 Kenley back
 

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Arenado will be 2-3 years older than Machado/Harper during his free agency and isn't available until next year (and there's no reason to believe he won't command a similarly long deal unless he drops off this year). You take the guy who is younger and is available now while your championship window is wide open rather than wait for a guy who might not even enter the market or might want to play somewhere else. At that point why not then just wait until the following summer if/when Trout becomes a free agent.

Arrenado is also a SoCal guy, and that might not always mean a lot, but you have to wonder if that + another season from now puts teams like the Dodgers/Angels/Padres in play. The main reason the Dodgers probably aren't in play for Machado is they have Turner/Seager locked up, but next offseason Turner is one year older and one year closer to free agency (I think he'd have one year left on his contract) so they may be more willing to make a move.
 

mjp2417

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That's a huge pay bump over the Eovaldi Tampa deal. The last year Richards was anywhere close to a 15 mil pitcher was 2015.
 

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Richards at least has the potential of being worth that amount. The $3m and under guys they've been signing for years haven't had that potential. A staff of Clayton Richardsses and Makitas and Bryan Mitchells ain't going to do much. $15m is the kind of money Danny Duffy, Alex Cobb and Mike Leake make in a year, and they're pretty god awful. So while it ain't bargain basement, it's still a deal with plenty of upside potential.

I mean look at the free agents... Marco Estrada, Ervin Santana, Lance Lynn... these guys will all likely fall in that range and they're garbage with no upside potential.

$15m just ain't that much in the SP market.
 

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Richards at least has the potential of being worth that amount. The $3m and under guys they've been signing for years haven't had that potential. A staff of Clayton Richardsses and Makitas and Bryan Mitchells ain't going to do much. $15m is the kind of money Danny Duffy, Alex Cobb and Mike Leake make in a year, and they're pretty god awful. So while it ain't bargain basement, it's still a deal with plenty of upside potential.

I mean look at the free agents... Marco Estrada, Ervin Santana, Lance Lynn... these guys will all likely fall in that range and they're garbage with no upside potential.

$15m just ain't that much in the SP market.
point taken, I suppose
 
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