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Hawk269

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,044
I would be very surprised (shocked, actually) if this happened given the comp to the X launch month last Nov. I can see Dec potentially being another growth month.

In the September media release I quoted Xbox One hardware dollar sales being up more than 60% year to date at that time. October Xbox One HW dollar sales more than doubled compared to a year ago, so YTD dollars are now up a bit more.

This is being driven by One X performance.

We've never seen this kind of growth at this stage in a cycle before. It's an unprecedented turnaround.

Doesn't mean the other systems aren't doing great. They both are. And it doesn't mean that Xbox One is the market leading hardware, it's not. But that doesn't negate what's happening here. It's remarkable.

Matt. Thanks for this post and for posting again in general.

Everyone needs to read this...not just part of it, but read the entire post. It is NOT taking ANYTHING away from the other two systems as they are doing well.
 

Gatti-man

Banned
Jan 31, 2018
2,359
System power does mean something to a niche of gamers. I'll always own the strongest system even if it's not my primary platform. I'm sure it's that way for many others out there. Atleast MS learned one lesson this gen.
 
Jan 19, 2018
244
I'm one of those people.
I have been playing PS4 since launch day and got a Pro a few months after it came out. I had an original Xbox One, but only for Forza Horizon 2+3 and Sunset Overdrive.
Then when the Xbox One X came out, I was interested, but there were no games I really wanted yet.

Then they got me. Forza Horizon 4 running at 60 FPS was totally worth the money for me, and for the first time this gen, I bought a multiplatform game on Xbox (RDR2) just for the performance and quality upgrades over the Pro.
 

Soprano

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
990
I just want splits for both the X and Pro :(

that 20% figure is so outdated

It doesn't really matter. They're still selling to a small group of people. This illusion of growth from 1X or Pro doesn't change the reality that they still make up a tiny portion of overall sales. You're never going to see equally split sales with base consoles. Cheaper price, and the majority not caring about graphics, always is the better choice for consumers.

The mid gen console idea needs to go away next generation.

The fact that 1X contributed to XB1 being up YOY, and we know XB1 had a terrible year last year, that any amount of extra sales would lead to it being up, tells me all I need to know about this "growth."




Matt. Thanks for this post and for posting again in general.

Everyone needs to read this...not just part of it, but read the entire post. It is NOT taking ANYTHING away from the other two systems as they are doing well.

That's pretty obvious. I don't think this info gets anyone into thinking PS4 and Switch aren't selling extremely well. That would go against what we know about their sales.

lol?
 

Katarn343

Member
Jan 22, 2018
1,678
México - United States
I do believe MS treats MX fine and most of the time it prices accordingly, but acquisitive power/income between countries isn't the same and I don't think $11K is being "priced well" [in MX], no matter the exchange rate.
And no Switch console was $25K, the official price at launch was $10K.
I looked it up at excelsior and you are right, it was $9,999.99 pesos, my bad. I probably had it confused with some resaler or even something else totally unrelated.
 

Kerotan

Banned
Oct 31, 2018
3,951
Well next year could be a lot of doom and gloom regardless. Looming tariffs and potential govt intervention could have huge negative impact on the market. It's unreasonable to assume Sony can deliver another year of exclusives on the sales scale of God of War and Marvel's Spider-Man, and Xbox One will be comping to a full year of X and of course they're ramping up for the future so who knows what the slate will look like.

The only company really poised for big growth next year is Nintendo, but there is nothing certain here.

Next year could be pretty tough. Sure we'll start seeing consoles are doomed articles again.

While I agree the games line up probably won't be as big next year Sony will likely still have a decent showing. I'd agree fully with you if the PS4 stays at $299 for most of the year but if Sony cut the proce to $249 early next year and bundle in a decent game they won't do too bad. Also the Pro could well get a price cut. Next holiday a $199 bundle with more supply will do the trick again.
 

Gestault

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,371
It doesn't really matter. They're still selling to a small group of people. This illusion of growth from 1X or Pro doesn't change the reality that they still make up a tiny portion of overall sales. You're never going to see equally split sales with base consoles. Cheaper price, and the majority not caring about graphics, always is the better choice for consumers.

The mid gen console idea needs to go away next generation.

Your impression of this seems at odds with analysts and sales reporting groups. Buyers are apparently responding well, and it doesn't seem to be causing complications for the platform holders themselves; Quite the contrary. I actually don't understand why you'd have a hostile take against something like the 1X or Pro, at this stage in the game.
 

cakely

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,149
Chicago
Your impression of this seems at odds with analysts and sales reporting groups. Buyers are apparently responding well, and it doesn't seem to be causing complications for the platform holders themselves; Quite the contrary. I actually don't understand why you'd have a hostile take against something like the 1X or Pro, at this stage in the game.

He's saying the total number of upgrade consoles sold is small compared to the total number of base consoles that have been sold.

This is objectively true. The Xbox One X has been on the market for one year. Even if half the new Xbox Ones sold over the last year have been Xbox One X, they still represent a small percentage of the total number of Xbox Ones sold since November 2013.

You know, it's really annoying to type "Xbox One X". Why did Microsoft settle on that name?
 

Gestault

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,371
He's saying the total number of upgrade consoles sold is small compared to the total number of base consoles that have been sold.

This is objectively true. The Xbox One X has been on the market for one year. Even if half the new Xbox Ones sold over the last year have been Xbox One X, they still represent a small percentage of the total number of Xbox Ones sold since November 2013.

You know, it's really annoying to type "Xbox One X". Why did Microsoft settle on that name?

In a sales response thread confirming strong performance since the launch and through this year, this comes across as...honestly, sour grapes? I don't know what. It's an odd response, made even odder with your clarification. It's legitimately arguing against the existence of a successful product. This would be like arguing against the Gameboy Pocket after one year on the market because so many original Gameboy systems had been sold previously.

One of the takeaways from this round of data is that a healthy proportion of overall Xbox sales are coming from the 1X.
 
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Soprano

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
990
Your impression of this seems at odds with analysts and sales reporting groups. Buyers are apparently responding well, and it doesn't seem to be causing complications for the platform holders themselves; Quite the contrary. I actually don't understand why you'd have a hostile take against something like the 1X or Pro, at this stage in the game.

Nothing substantial has been revealed about their sales. All we get is PR about them doing well which honestly doesn't mean anything.
 

cakely

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,149
Chicago
In a sales response thread confirming strong performance since the launch and through this year, this comes across as...honestly, sour grapes? I don't know what. It's an odd response, made even odder with your clarification. It's legitimately arguing against the existence of a successful product. This would be like arguing against the Gameboy Pocket after one year on the market because so many original Gameboy systems had been sold previously.

I'm not making that argument at all. The X and the Pro have both been quite successful, but they still don't make up a significant percentage of generation 8 consoles.

Also, "sour grapes" means declaring a dislike for something you can't have. That is absolutely not happening here.
 

watdaeff4

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,451
In a sales response thread confirming strong performance since the launch and through this year, this comes across as...honestly, sour grapes? I don't know what. It's an odd response, made even odder with your clarification. It's legitimately arguing against the existence of a successful product. This would be like arguing against the Gameboy Pocket after one year on the market because so many original Gameboy systems had been sold previously.

One of the takeaways from this round of data is that a healthy proportion of overall Xbox sales are coming from the 1X.
Why do you waste your time with him?

It's not worth it
 

Deleted member 10737

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
49,774
well done, they deserve it since they've made a lot of good moves recently.
i hope next gen they close the gap and sell as much as ps5, it's much better when there's not a clear winner.
 

ZhugeEX

Senior Analyst at Niko Partners
Verified
Oct 24, 2017
3,099
oh fuc/ :( ahah thanks

Basically it's like this. Those values are for total spending across console, PC and mobile. Also you've created a list where you're assuming the big Xbox markets = 0 for PlayStation.
It's just not a good way to look at things. I get the overall point you're trying to make, but it doesn;t quite work the way you presented it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,708
EH...
Now surely Zhuge as Piscatella will know more than anyone else in here, but looking on the web I stumbled on these data. People underestimate the importance of being in certain markets rather than others. It is beyond any discussion that the Playstation brand is more globally recognized than the Xbox brand. But whenever I hear "Xbox can recover in the US, UK and some other countries but in the end Playstation wins globally" ... people need to remember that not all nations spend the same way in videogames and that certainly some nations are MUCH more important than others.

Ranked on their revenue estimates for 2018
https://newzoo.com/insights/rankings/top-100-countries-by-game-revenues/

Main Xbox countries

USA $31.535M
UK $4.731M
Canada $2.399M
Russia $1.657M
Australia $1.293M
Mexico $1.577M
Brazil $1.452M
Ireland $264M
-------------------
$44,908M

PS4 Most valuable countries

Japan $17.715M
Germany $4.989M
France $3.366M
Spain $2.202M
Italy $2.168M
Taiwan $1.231M
Turkey $853M
Thailand $667M
Netherlands $646M
Switzerland $558M
Poland $541M
Sweden $463M
Belgium $378M
Austria $371M
Norway $317M
Portugal $291M
Egypt $286M
Denmark $270M
Finland $227M
Romania $188M
Hungary $134M
Bulgaria $63M
Croatia $57M
Lithuania $49M
Luxembourg $46M
-------------------
$38.743M


These numbers, even if approximate, should make us think
Lol this 'comparison' makes no sense sorry.

Edit: what zhugeex says
 
Nov 12, 2017
2,877
Basically it's like this. Those values are for total spending across console, PC and mobile. Also you've created a list where you're assuming the big Xbox markets = 0 for PlayStation.
It's just not a good way to look at things. I get the overall point you're trying to make, but it doesn;t quite work the way you presented it.
sure sure i get what you saying but at the same way i did the opposite with the other ocuntries....it was just to give an idea
 

StuBurns

Self Requested Ban
Banned
Nov 12, 2017
7,273
I love the X. The UI is a mess, but in terms of engineering, it's the best console I've ever owned. It's good to see that being rewarded.
 

Evangelista

Using an alt account to circumvent a ban
Banned
Aug 21, 2018
708
EH...
Now surely Zhuge as Piscatella will know more than anyone else in here, but looking on the web I stumbled on these data. People underestimate the importance of being in certain markets rather than others. It is beyond any discussion that the Playstation brand is more globally recognized than the Xbox brand. But whenever I hear "Xbox can recover in the US, UK and some other countries but in the end Playstation wins globally" ... people need to remember that not all nations spend the same way in videogames and that certainly some nations are MUCH more important than others.

Ranked on their revenue estimates for 2018
https://newzoo.com/insights/rankings/top-100-countries-by-game-revenues/

Main Xbox countries

USA $31.535M
UK $4.731M
Canada $2.399M
Russia $1.657M
Australia $1.293M
Mexico $1.577M
Brazil $1.452M
Ireland $264M
-------------------
$44,908M

PS4 Most valuable countries

Japan $17.715M
Germany $4.989M
France $3.366M
Spain $2.202M
Italy $2.168M
Taiwan $1.231M
Turkey $853M
Thailand $667M
Netherlands $646M
Switzerland $558M
Poland $541M
Sweden $463M
Belgium $378M
Austria $371M
Norway $317M
Portugal $291M
Egypt $286M
Denmark $270M
Finland $227M
Romania $188M
Hungary $134M
Bulgaria $63M
Croatia $57M
Lithuania $49M
Luxembourg $46M
-------------------
$38.743M


These numbers, even if approximate, should make us think
ps. with this I'm not saying in any way that the xbox prox gen will sell more than the playstation! but that if it returns to "shine" in the regions where the x360 sold well ... the game will be much more balanced

EDIT : IS ALL WRONG GUYS ...sorry
You are wrong. Xbox one is not leader on any of this markets. So at the moment all them are PlayStation territories.
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,205
EH...
Now surely Zhuge as Piscatella will know more than anyone else in here, but looking on the web I stumbled on these data. People underestimate the importance of being in certain markets rather than others. It is beyond any discussion that the Playstation brand is more globally recognized than the Xbox brand. But whenever I hear "Xbox can recover in the US, UK and some other countries but in the end Playstation wins globally" ... people need to remember that not all nations spend the same way in videogames and that certainly some nations are MUCH more important than others.

Ranked on their revenue estimates for 2018
https://newzoo.com/insights/rankings/top-100-countries-by-game-revenues/

Main Xbox countries

USA $31.535M
UK $4.731M
Canada $2.399M
Russia $1.657M
Australia $1.293M
Mexico $1.577M
Brazil $1.452M
Ireland $264M
-------------------
$44,908M

PS4 Most valuable countries

Japan $17.715M
Germany $4.989M
France $3.366M
Spain $2.202M
Italy $2.168M
Taiwan $1.231M
Turkey $853M
Thailand $667M
Netherlands $646M
Switzerland $558M
Poland $541M
Sweden $463M
Belgium $378M
Austria $371M
Norway $317M
Portugal $291M
Egypt $286M
Denmark $270M
Finland $227M
Romania $188M
Hungary $134M
Bulgaria $63M
Croatia $57M
Lithuania $49M
Luxembourg $46M
-------------------
$38.743M


These numbers, even if approximate, should make us think
ps. with this I'm not saying in any way that the xbox prox gen will sell more than the playstation! but that if it returns to "shine" in the regions where the x360 sold well ... the game will be much more balanced

EDIT : IS ALL WRONG GUYS ...sorry

I'm glad this was cleared up because my immediate thought was why isn't US/UK etc on the Sony list as well.
 

unicornKnight

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,193
Athens, Greece
Kinda meaningless without knowing Xbox One sales.

Say Sony sold 18 million PS4s in 2017, and Microsoft sold 9 million Xbox Ones. The gap is 9 million consoles.

And in 2018, PS4 only saw 10 percent growth, while Xbox One saw 20 percent growth.

That's 19.8 million PS4s and 10.8 million Xbox Ones. The gap is still 9 million consoles.
Its meaningless if we only care about comparisons and who is winning. Maybe for once we should actually focus on what the story is about: unprecedented growth in mid gen.
 

legacyzero

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
4,252
My wife was looking to buy me one for christmas and I told her not to bother because I have a OneS and new consoles are coming soonish. Did I make a huge mistake?
 

unicornKnight

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,193
Athens, Greece
My wife was looking to buy me one for christmas and I told her not to bother because I have a OneS and new consoles are coming soonish. Did I make a huge mistake?
If Microsoft is releasing a new Xbox soon, how much do you expect it to cost? I dont see a stronger than X, Xbox releasing before 2021. We may see a new sku as rumored but it eill be different, not stronger.
 

pswii60

Member
Oct 27, 2017
26,673
The Milky Way
You are wrong. Xbox one is not leader on any of this markets. So at the moment all them are PlayStation territories.
Never understood this way of thinking of only winners and losers.

Just because one console is selling more than another doesn't make the other somehow redundant. Otherwise it would have been like 360 and PS3 didn't exist last gen because neither of them led in any market except the UK.

Just because McDonald's is the most popular fast food outlet in every country of the world doesn't mean that Burger King and KFC need to just give up and shut down. Pack it up guys.

It's like the Fortnite vs PUBG argument - it's ridiculous. PUBG is one of the biggest selling games of all time, and yet somehow it's often deemed a complete failure by some on here just because Fortnite is more popular right now. What a complete load of bollocks.
 

Khrol

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,179
Nice.

So ready to move on from this generation. Microsoft gonna come out swinging I think.
 

Uno Venova

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,858
With the other two companies it's so much easier to see hard numbers or more revealing PR, instead of just being told it's doing well. Ok, I guess?