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Deception

Member
Nov 15, 2017
8,430
User Banned (1 Month): Downplaying the sexual assault or molestation of a minor.
It's important to call things by their correct name. Statutory rape is still rape. Implying that people on ERA are somehow being unreasonable for not being okay with someone doing this is absurd. Like what am I even reading here?
I am warning Enzo to not try to justify/defend or explain why "it's not rape" since even attempting to do so will get him banned. And when I said ERA, I really meant the mods not ERA as a whole.
 

subpar spatula

Refuses to Wash his Ass
Member
Oct 26, 2017
22,118
What I get from the video:

  • YouTuber doesn't really like rap
  • Youtuber doesn't really know that in music there is manufactured controversy
  • "WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN"
  • Gangster rapper is an actual gangster?
Like, I get it, but why 6ix9ine? This just sounds like a video to say, "Shut it with your rap cars" but not about someone like Drake because with 6ix9ine you can say, "Look at how bad he is! Drake isn't even bad!"
 
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Jiggy

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
9,284
wherever
What I get from the video:

  • YouTuber doesn't really like rap
  • Youtuber doesn't really know that in music there is manufactured controversy
  • "WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN"
  • Gangster rapper is an actual gangster?
Like, I get it, but why 6ix9ine? This just sounds like a video to say, "Shut it with your rap cars" but not about someone like Drake because with 6ix9ine you can say, "Look at how bad he is! Drake isn't even bad!"

He makes positive videos on talented rap artists all the time, he's made multiple in depth video essays on Kendrick Lamar and considers him one of the greatest artists who ever lived

I know how much you love trolling but your post is complete bullshit even by your low effort standards

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Just one example
 

Deception

Member
Nov 15, 2017
8,430
He makes positive videos on talented rap artists all the time, he's made multiple in depth video essays on Kendrick Lamar and considers him one of the greatest artists who ever lived

I know how much you love trolling but your post is complete bullshit even by your low effort standards

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Just one example

In the same video you posted, "It's hard to look past the trashy, mid 00's gangster aesthetic and hope to find something valuable."
Sounds like the typical person who discovered Kendrick after M.A.A.D. City got big and pretends to only like "real rap." You can tell by how he just glosses over Section 80 and goes straight to GKMC.
 

HypedBeast

Member
Oct 29, 2017
2,058
In the same video you posted, "It's hard to look past the trashy, mid 00's gangster aesthetic and hope to find something valuable."
Sounds like the typical person who discovered Kendrick after M.A.A.D. City got big and pretends to only like "real rap." You can tell by how he just glosses over Section 80 and goes straight to GKMC.
What the hell is with this gatekeeping bullshit that I keep seeing around ERA lately? So because you feel someone isnt quite as nerdy as you about hip-hop they arent a "real OG" and just a casual fan?

This is stupid and really snobbish, cut it out.
 

Powdered Egg

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
17,070
And he got charged accordingly.

There's considerable harm in diluting the term for rape to constitute pretty much any sexual impropriety. It would like be calling sexual assault rape. You relieve the term of any discriminatory value, and the people who serve to suffer most from that are rape survivors.


You can have those doubts and what you say may even be highly probable, but convicting people off of presumptions is not how the legal system works. I have no idea if he's into that stuff or doing the other man a solid or what. No judgment on that. He may as well be a pedo, I don't know, the victim could probably speak to that best and I'm unfamiliar if that charge was explored against him. But throwing the word rape around like it's candy is dangerous especially when there's no corresponding evidence. It gets even murkier if it was consensual but he still was exploiting someone who was underage.


EDIT: just looked it up, I guess if it's consensual then it's statuatory rape in certain jurisdictions. Anyone know if either the state or Jane pursued that against him? I feel like the news would have been full of that, but I may have missed it.
Of course he's into that stuff. To give him a Herculean benefit of the doubt, at minimum he recorded child pornography which was distributed online. That has federal implications.
 

zon

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,425
Amazing fucking takedown video by Volksgeist, one of the best music channels on YouTube



Give it a watch


The ending seems a bit weird. People did pull 69 to the side and told him what would happen if he didn't stop his bullshit. Fat Joe is one example. He just didn't listen to all the warnings he got.

I didn't know he was 'beefing' with a label mate though. Talk about not even trying to make it look convincing lol
 

Deception

Member
Nov 15, 2017
8,430
What the hell is with this gatekeeping bullshit that I keep seeing around ERA lately? So because you feel someone isnt quite as nerdy as you about hip-hop they arent a "real OG" and just a casual fan?

This is stupid and really snobbish, cut it out.
He just devalued Kendricks entire discography pre-GKMC/Section 80 because it sounds like "mid 00s gangster rap" how is that snobby? He's dismissing an entire era of rap with that attitude.
 
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greenhadoken

Member
Oct 28, 2017
502
What I get from the video:

  • YouTuber doesn't really like rap
  • Youtuber doesn't really know that in music there is manufactured controversy
  • "WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN"
  • Gangster rapper is an actual gangster?
Like, I get it, but why 6ix9ine? This just sounds like a video to say, "Shut it with your rap cars" but not about someone like Drake because with 6ix9ine you can say, "Look at how bad he is! Drake isn't even bad!"
As someone who's never watched another video on this channel before, the four points you posted are how I came away feeling too. Not that I condone anything that 6ix9ine has done, but something was off. The wording he used was really personal or something, like 6ix9ine had just kicked him in the shin.
 

Uno Venova

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,858
It's not accurate to say his popularity is not about the music when GUMMO and FEFE have been some of the biggest singles in the past year by far.
 

HypedBeast

Member
Oct 29, 2017
2,058
He just devalued Kendricks entire discography pre-GKMC/Section 80 because it sounds like "mid 00s gangster rap" how is that snobby? He's dismissing an entire era of rap with that attitude.
I mean its just how he feels about it, and kind of agree, but not quite to the extent he does. Like I still enjoy K-Dot to today, but I think post-Section 80 Kendrick is far better. And thats to be expected, artist of all mediums grow and evolve their styles as their careers go along, and Kendrick is no exception.

It would be like if someone said they didnt fuck with Tyler the Creator pre-Flower Boy because they felt his catalog was all edgy-horrorcore stuff.

I dont mean to call you out in particular, It just that sometimes I feel their can be a certain amount of elitism among hip-hop heads that can stifle the conversation a little bit.
 

Mamoniadas

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,651
The ending of the video nails it.
His faux gangster persona is just him profiting off of real societal problems (that he doesn't face being wealthy) that spur gang violence.
And encouraging and endorsing gangster behavior not as a survival tactic, but because it looks cool is dangerous and unhelpful.
You mean like 2pac?
 

Deception

Member
Nov 15, 2017
8,430
I mean its just how he feels about it, and kind of agree, but not quite to the extent he does. Like I still enjoy K-Dot to today, but I think post-Section 80 Kendrick is far better. And thats to be expected, artist of all mediums grow and evolve their styles as their careers go along, and Kendrick is no exception.

It would be like if someone said they didnt fuck with Tyler the Creator pre-Flower Boy because they felt his catalog was all edgy-horrorcore stuff.

I dont mean to call you out in particular, It just that sometimes I feel their can be a certain amount of elitism among hip-hop heads that can stifle the conversation a little bit.
I took issue with the notion of "trash and adds nothing of value" when he could have easily said "I'm not a fan of that era of rap." It shows that he has a bias against certain types of rap and judges artists based on their appearance and style and not the content of their work.

I'm far from a hiphop elitist but I won't let someone devalue an entire subset of the genre especially when the person who posted that video used it as a counterpoint that he's not a person who doesn't like rap.
 

FreeMufasa

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
1,375
What I get from the video:

  • YouTuber doesn't really like rap
  • Youtuber doesn't really know that in music there is manufactured controversy
  • "WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN"
  • Gangster rapper is an actual gangster?
Like, I get it, but why 6ix9ine? This just sounds like a video to say, "Shut it with your rap cars" but not about someone like Drake because with 6ix9ine you can say, "Look at how bad he is! Drake isn't even bad!"

Thanks. Ill give the video a miss
 

Tribal_Cult

Banned
Nov 1, 2017
3,548
Trash guy but I have to admit I like a couple of his songs. They're stupid, but they charge you up.
Hope he still ends in prison for a long while though.
 

Rackham

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
8,532
What I get from the video:

  • YouTuber doesn't really like rap
  • Youtuber doesn't really know that in music there is manufactured controversy
  • "WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN"
  • Gangster rapper is an actual gangster?
Like, I get it, but why 6ix9ine? This just sounds like a video to say, "Shut it with your rap cars" but not about someone like Drake because with 6ix9ine you can say, "Look at how bad he is! Drake isn't even bad!"
69 isn't gangster. He's fake. In Hip Hop if there's controversy it isn't usually manufactured.

What gangster do you know that drops the crips for the bloods and says they good with everybody while simultaneously trashing everyone?
 

Silky

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,522
Georgia
6ix9ine is a piece of shit and one of the worst acts out of New York since Troy Ave.

BUT.

Gummo is one of my favorite tracks this year.

STILL.

Human garbage.
 

HypedBeast

Member
Oct 29, 2017
2,058
I took issue with the notion of "trash and adds nothing of value" when he could have easily said "I'm not a fan of that era of rap." It shows that he has a bias against certain types of rap and judges artists based on their appearance and style and not the content of their work.

I'm far from a hiphop elitist but I won't let someone devalue an entire subset of the genre especially when the person who posted that video used it as a counterpoint that he's not a person who doesn't like rap.
I can see where you are coming from. I just listened to that part again and I can agree that "trashy" is a bit much, but I agree with the general conceit that a lot of it was pretty generic and forgettable.

You can tell he was still finding himself. He was 90% Lil Wayne and his delivery was that of Jay in early 00's. It wasnt bad, but it wasnt remarkable, but I agree he could had said it a lot less hyperbolic.
 

mael

Avenger
Nov 3, 2017
16,775
What I get from the video:

  • YouTuber doesn't really like rap
  • Youtuber doesn't really know that in music there is manufactured controversy
  • "WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN"
  • Gangster rapper is an actual gangster?
Like, I get it, but why 6ix9ine? This just sounds like a video to say, "Shut it with your rap cars" but not about someone like Drake because with 6ix9ine you can say, "Look at how bad he is! Drake isn't even bad!"
Wasn't the guy literally found guilty in a pedophilia case?
I mean it's kind like being indignant that there are children involved when talking about child diddlers.
 

Deleted member 16609

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,828
Harlem, NYC
He makes positive videos on talented rap artists all the time, he's made multiple in depth video essays on Kendrick Lamar and considers him one of the greatest artists who ever lived

I know how much you love trolling but your post is complete bullshit even by your low effort standards

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Just one example

Fam, this dude sounds like the people who post MF DOOM like that's a vaildation they are Hip-Hop heads and shit on whats going on. These are same people who shit on Lil Peep. Oh wait, this is the same guy who did a weak ass Peep video. And saying Kendrick is one of the greatest is like obvious like his 69 video. This is the same guy that has a video "Is Dark Side Of The Moon The greatest Album". Dude just picks whats popping or what is know. Watch his next video be "Is Queen, We Will Rock you the greatest stadium song ever?" Fuck out of here. This dude probably doesn't know who Spitta is.
 

sooperkool

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,159
I'm a hip-hop elitist. I watched it grow from the early 80's until now. I lived in the tr-state area during its creation and know more than a few artists. 69 is not my cup of tea, I think his music is trash but some of y'all like it so whatever. As for him as a person, I think he has problems and is trying to be something that he probably isn't
 
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Jiggy

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
9,284
wherever
The wording he used was really personal or something

lol

Never ceases to amaze me how defensive people get over a child molester

when the person who posted that video used it as a counterpoint that he's not a person who doesn't like rap.

Except it literally proves that he's a person who likes rap? You don't have to like every style of rap to be a fan of the genre, you also don't have to like every single Kendrick Lamar song in order to appreciate him as an artist. Your argument has reeked of elitism from jump, man

And it certainly disproves subpar's nonsense that this dude just used this video to whine about rap because he secretly hates the genre or some shit
 
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tsampikos

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,613
There is no situation in which defending him or his craft is acceptable. Anything that isn't immediate disapproval of him, his music, and his collaborators is an attempt to normalize violence and sexual assault of minors.

If you care about hip hop you will want it to not be associated with this trash heap.

If you @ me you are probably garbage.
 

Rowlf

User requested ban
Banned
Oct 24, 2017
645
I am warning Enzo to not try to justify/defend or explain why "it's not rape" since even attempting to do so will get him banned. And when I said ERA, I really meant the mods not ERA as a whole.
The argument/defense/justification of trying to parse some meaningful difference between rape and what this person was accused of doing is one that we, quite frankly, aren't interested in hosting here.
Here is the conduct that you think is worth drawing some sort of line in the sand over to win a semantical or pedantic argument because it's not technically "rape":
https://jezebel.com/details-in-child-sex-complaint-against-rapper-6ix9ine-c-1821245294
Detective Maureen Sheehan writes that she was informed that the victim was 13 years old at the time. To Akademiks, 6ix9ine claimed, "I don't know her exact age, I think she was 14 or some shit like that." Later, in the interview, when recounting his interrogation, he recalled without hesitation something the police told him: "They were like, 'Yo, you know the girl was 13 right?'"
...

The complaint states that in one video, "the child is sitting on the lap of the defendant [Hernandez] and the defendant has his arms around the child. The child is wearing a light colored bra and dark colored underwear and separately charged defendant [Taquan] Anderson pours a cup of liquid on the child's breasts and grabs the child's breasts with his hands." Later in the interview, 6ix9ine claimed again, "I didn't touch the girl."
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6ix9ine said to Akademiks that an unspecified "they" at his grand jury hearing said, "There's no rape. No one got raped. No one, like no one." The complaint describes another video containing footage, in which "the child engages in oral sexual intercourse with the separately charged defendant Taquan Anderson, while the defendant, Daniel Hernandez, stands behind the child making a thrusting motion with his pelvis and smacking her on her buttocks. The child is nude in the video."
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The third video listed in the complaint is written up as follows: "In the third video, the child is completely nude and is sitting across the laps of the defendant and the separately charged defendant Taquan Anderson. The separately charged defendant touches the child across her legs and vagina with his hand. The same three individuals are observed in all three videos."
As I said, whether it's rape, sexual assault, child molestation or whatever is ultimately a distinction without any value here. Any attempt to have this argument will be viewed as an attempt to downplay or dismiss the sexual molestation or assault of a person whom Hernandez knew, by his own admission, was a child, and that is not an argument that we will allow here. Go do it elsewhere.
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
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Dec 24, 2017
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Pac fucked up too towards the end trying trying to live that life, why even bring him up though
Saying every 2 secs "Music is terrible" says a lot about this Youtuber. He is not a fan Hip-Hop. Because following it up with "I think the best music is being done now" Show's he isn't paying attention. Because the majority of the sound out there is the same.
People are allowed to have differing opinions though, just because he doesn't like 6ix9ine doesn't mean he doesn't listen to or appreciate a lot of other stuff. Like, it makes perfect sense to think his music is terrible but overall it's a really unique time for hiphop/rap, there's no logical incongruity there. If you think it all sounds the same and there's tens of thousands of people to listen to, maybe you gotta cast a wider net which is easy with the internet.
 
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gozu

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,329
America
Amazing fucking takedown video by Volksgeist, one of the best music channels on YouTube



Give it a watch

No offense but there is nothing amazing about that video. It says that tekashi uses controversy to be relevant and make money, and that part of how he did it was be affiliated with gangs and beefing with people for IG followers.

We knew all that already. I kept waiting for the video to say something insightful or new but it did not. It's an ok video to show a 50+ year old who has never heard of gangsta rap, I guess.
 

Mammoth Jones

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,306
New York
If you cool with a guy running a train on a 13 year old child you're a piece of dogshit.

He's a nasty piece of shit and I hope he rots in jail.
 

gozu

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,329
America
If you cool with a guy running a train on a 13 year old child you're a piece of dogshit.

He's a nasty piece of shit and I hope he rots in jail.

I know, right? He's a child rapist AND a fucking attempted murderer. It's on fucking video. All of it.

I'm not sure why people confuse the threshold for criminal prosecution and conviction with the threshold for knowing someone is a piece of shit.

Same thing with people confusing free speech with freedom from the consequences of that speech.
 

subpar spatula

Refuses to Wash his Ass
Member
Oct 26, 2017
22,118
69 isn't gangster. He's fake. In Hip Hop if there's controversy it isn't usually manufactured.

What gangster do you know that drops the crips for the bloods and says they good with everybody while simultaneously trashing everyone?
How is he not gangster? Dude is facibg racketeering charges. In fact, he may be one of few honest gangster rappers out there.