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The X launched in November of last year so this is really the first year that we have to gauge it's success.
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Xbox One X "Performing Phenomenally" says NPD
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The X launched in November of last year so this is really the first year that we have to gauge it's success.
I think thats too expensive still. Mid gen upgrades sell to a more hardcore audience, and one that often has an old console they can trade in to make the price easier on the wallets.
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It's a lot easier to find the plentiful negative articles than trying to scour endless posts on this (and the old) forum. It shouldn't be hard to imagine that a Playstation-centric forum like this one would go along with these articles.
Is X doing well in sheer unit numbers? In other words its not just impressive revenue right (since X is so expensive normal retail price)?
You didn't ask me, but I'm here so...
My gut tells me there will be multiple price/performance offerings for whatever is next from Xbox. An entry level digital only/streaming device at a low price, a mid-range with better guts and an optical drive, and a high end performance model at a premium price.
Beyond that it'd take Sony to make some serious missteps (which the PS3 was, certainly at the start) for that scenario to play out again. But again, it's fine, MS doesn't have to outsell Sony to be enormously successful, just need a big enough slice of the pie which this gen has proven as viable (rather than consoles dying out)
Oh, you're one of those who think this is a PS centric forum, there isn't much to talk about anymore I guess.
sigh. they invested in the wrong business strategy. no one in their right mind won't invest in anything at all.
It's deserved. I've had every piece of console hardware on the market this generation except the PS4 Slim (PS4 Pro, PS4, Switch, OG X1, X1S) and the Xbox One X is by-far the best total package out of all of them hardware-wise. It's powerful, it's quiet, the UHD Blu-ray output is acceptable now, and the Xbox controllers are the best thing around. This year, especially with RDR2, it's put some real distance between it and the PS4 Pro in terms of visual quality.
The X is so good that I buy every multiplat there now, and after having PSN sub since the service launched I cancelled mine this fall.
I look forward to see what Microsoft comes out with next from a hardware standpoint.
The X is so good that I buy every multiplat there now, and after having PSN sub since the service launched I cancelled mine this fall.
I look forward to see what Microsoft comes out with next from a hardware standpoint.
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That's exactly what I'd love to see. $199 1080p streaming focused, $299 1080p local hardware w/streaming option, $499 4k local hardware w/streaming option.
This is what I am hoping they do. Cover all grounds, and everybody can be happy (Well this is never true, but you know what I mean).
Wouldn't it make more sense for Microsoft to save the super highend model until midpoint next generation to do another refresh launch?
Numbers? What numbers? And how do these apparent numbers show loyalty is being rebuilt?
It could be argued that people waiting for the X were a good part of why it was down YoY in 2017 in the first place, I think that's fair comment.
Also, is your sales increase YoY units, value or both? X retails over twice the price of the old console, so we'd expect even modest sales to result in a higher dollar value revenue increase...Microsoft and increasingly others are all about the active users for good reason.
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I love my PS4 Pro as much as the next person, Spider-Man is my game of the year, but you're lying to yourself it you don't think this is a PS centric forum. Just look at this thread.
Pricing is still very important for a consoles success. So I'd expect this to be reserved for a high end model / mid gen upgrade.
Ah so you're imagining frequent refreshes ala smartphones?
Im sure they will do another mid-gen refresh, however it is important to note that OG Ps4 at one point this generation was viewed as "highend model". If you play on PC you understand that technology gets old fast as there is always something better next year.
Anyways, I suspect Microsoft will want to have the most powerful console on the market again, but may also not want to give a price advantage to competition hence a family of devices.
I won't call the X a success yet considering it doesn't have a track record yet year over year. I'll wait for November 2019 where we can actually compare if it's sales are higher or lower. We all know 2017 was the worst year for XB1 so being up and having growth yoy isn't something to be amazed at in 2018. 2019 will be the telling factor.
Idk maybe actually put in a 4K Blue Ray player for one thing? Also the noise issue is quite terrible and I am really Hoping the Ps5 doesn't sound like my Launch PS4...
This is a PS centric forum just like GaF was...I mean you don't need to look around much to realize that. If you don't think it is then I think you need to take those blinders off.
I can't believe it because I don't think of myself as a graphics-first guy... but Xbox One X selling on power worked on me.
As soon as I saw screenshots of FFXIII running in near-4k, I opened my wallet.
As soon as I saw screenshots of FFXIII running in near-4k, I opened my wallet.
Paid off in what way though? If you have no idea how many units they're moving how can you accurately evaluate how something has paid off? They're selling units like they did in 2014/2015. Is that a metric that screams success?
Gaming is PS4 centric. It's just numbers. People can't crow about Sony outselling the competition 2:1 and turn around and act like that will lead to equal representation. They have a lot more fans and it's reflected in every facet of the gaming community.
It makes sense for Microsoft to have a high end model at launch due to the amount of money it makes/has from its incredible profits in other business (overtook Apple has highest value company market cap wise). It has the cash to absorb price cuts and be a rounding error on its annual figures.
Sony needs to be more conservative due to Playstation being its primary busy, so gonna be interesting if there is a "high end" war in premium consoles.
Sony needs to be more conservative due to Playstation being its primary busy, so gonna be interesting if there is a "high end" war in premium consoles.
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GAF was a very anti-PS forum in the years after PS3 launch, when Sony had atrocious messaging compared to the competition. "Wii60" was a GAF meme ("buy Wii and 360.. ignore PS3").
GAF and this forum have only been pro-PS since PS4 came out of the gate with strong messaging.
It's almost as if the degree to which this forum and its predecessor are pro/anti-PS correlates to the degree that the market as a whole is pro/anti-PS. Xbox is the console with the least heat right now (saying this as a person who loves his X), and this forum reflects that like a mirror.
I'm also a little skeptical in it success due to potentially microsoft subsidizing X with price cuts (often $100 off deals) whereas PS4 Pro doesnt
However Mat has access to hard data and its clearly persuasive. I think his Switch sales forecast for fiscal year will be better than Pachters lol
Sure, but Europe is pretty big, with multiple markets and things differ between them. I'm under no illusion that Xbox is as big as PS, mind you.
What would have happened if they didnt release Xbox X? Would they have continued to do as poorly as they did in 2017?
Some of you all seem to be missing the point that a rebound or turnaround can be viewed as a success instead of continuing a downward trend.
It wasn't that long ago people were saying this was a Nintendo centric forum.
Maybe if people just started talking round the odd posts from users saying something they don't like instead of getting into constant back and forths then complaining the threads are ruined it would get a bit better.
Maybe if people just started talking round the odd posts from users saying something they don't like instead of getting into constant back and forths then complaining the threads are ruined it would get a bit better.
Thanks for the responses. I hadn't considered having a high end launch SKU with multiple other SKUs because I assumed the logistics were hard for the launch of a new gen.
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They can have a tie in US next-gen but Worlwide is a lock for Sony. ERA is dreaming because I think a lot of people here want Xbox as leader but problably is not gonna happen.
They had a good growth but are at third the whole year in US(their strongest market) and the gap for PS4 will end the year around 5 million.
The whole Xbox systems sold until now in 2018 2.2 million only(US).
Do you think the different models will launch at the same time, or would they be introduced throughout the gen?
In the context of this sort of characterization from an external retail tracking group, I think it's safe to say releasing the higher-end version "paid off" in a variety of self-evident, concrete ways. Frankly, my eyebrow's up at someone insisting otherwise.
Tell me about it. It's always an x centric forum according to someone.
I remember before the X launch, when people were trying to get figures on Pro sales and estimate where the 1X might land, and (obviously unconfirmed) figures were landing around 1:5 for refresh systems vs base models. I've gotten the impression 1X sales might legitimately be the lion's share of Xbox sales. Any way to indicate if that's a fair ballpark?
Amen, brother.
To everyone else: If a specific post offends you, report it. Making generalizations in every thread about how unfair it is that the rest of ERA doesn't like your console of choice isn't helpful.
PlayStation is just the market leader globally so there's more people playing on PS4. I don't think this is a Sony forum, they get roasted plenty and the first-party thread has no where near the same interest as the Xbox one does.
With it being a "larger chunk" than anticipated, is that at the detriment of the base models? Or is it that both the X and the base/S models are succeeding well in 2018?
This kind of echos my experience with the consoles this generation, and how I feel, and where i am at today.
