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perfectchaos007

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Oct 25, 2017
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that's still bad imo tho'
Ninjas wife is his manager so She probably was also in on the decision, even if Ninja didn't want to out her. Thinking about being in her position, it may be uncomfortable seeing so many strangers trying to "ship" your husband with someone else. *shrug*

At the end of the day it comes off as insecure though. When you're a celebrity you're always going to have fans that desire you to be in a relationship with some other celebrity they like. It's a shame Ninja won't stream with women as a result.
 

Sagadego17

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ninjas wife is his manager so She probably was also in on the decision, even if Ninja didn't want to out her. Thinking about being in her position, it may be uncomfortable seeing so many strangers trying to "ship" your husband with someone else. *shrug*

At the end of the day it comes off as insecure though. When you're a celebrity you're always going to have fans that desire you to be in a relationship with some other celebrity they like. It's a shame Ninja won't stream with women as a result.
indeed. that's not a good thing for your image.
 

Deleted member 5535

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Definitely came from out of touch NCL. I couldn't see someone with Reggie's marketing acumen co-signing the program.



I disagree with his stance, but it's not a clearly a fear thing.

This came from Iwata basically at the same time that Direct began to exist which was two years before.

Nice of Nintendo to get with the times.

I mean, this should have been done five years ago, but, y'know...

How when they introduced this 3 years ago? lol

This is Furukawa's Nintendo.

Considering that Switch came with a share, this was probably in order for quite some time to be changed. We can't just put it on Furukawa like that.

Oh, hey, remember when Nintendo spent years and years with their greedy little hands in the cookie jar taking money that they REALLY had no right to (mostly from tiny, passionate video creators)? Well, they have finally decided to not be giant pieces of shit about the fair use of their material... because they must have discovered that it stifles the free promotion that so many other companies take advantage of. Not because they wanted to be good to you, their fans. No. They still fucking hate you. Look forward to their next inevitable bullshit move that makes you shake your head.

Still, this is a good thing. Even if Nintendo sucks for ever having implemented it in the first place.

Except that they did had the right. Publishers allow those people to use their content, not the contrary since there's no rule there. If any wanted, they could do the same much like music companies and movie companies do as well in the media.
 

Lucas M. Thomas

Editor-in-Chief of Nintendo Force Magazine
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Oct 30, 2017
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A serious change for the better! Motivates me to actually get back to doing videos on the NF YouTube channel.
 

Deleted member 43872

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May 24, 2018
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This is specifically a youtube monetization thing. Patreon is legally separate.
Currently, the "monetization methods separately specified by Nintendo" include the following*:
  • Facebook - Facebook Gaming Creators, Facebook Level Up Program;
  • Niconico Douga/Niconico Live - Niconico Creators Program, Niconico Channel;
  • OPENREC.tv - OPENREC Creators Program;
  • Twitch - Twitch Affiliate Program and Twitch Partner Program;
  • Twitter - Amplify Publisher Program; and
  • YouTube - YouTube Partner Program.
*Subject to be updated
 

Deleted member 43872

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Considering Patreon is also not a streaming platform, that's probably a factor. It's like how there's no Go Fund Me.
It's a common monetization method used by many video creators and streamers, and it's disallowed by these new rules. Nintendo explicitly says "other forms of monetization of our intellectual property for commercial purposes are not permitted." It doesn't say video hosts or streaming services, it says forms of monetization. Patreon is a form of monetization, it's not on the list of permitted forms, so it's not permitted.
 

KillstealWolf

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Oct 27, 2017
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About time, it was bizarre to see Nintendo follow the current trends of adding a share button and yet then cap the money you can make off your own content.

There is that caveat on "Creative input" though, how does that work, do you need commentary? What if it's just a commentary-less version of two players doing a first to 3 set in Smash Bros? That's considered enough Creative Input right, you are watching it to see who wins the match, who gets to 3 wins first and who is the better player. Does that count in this instance?

We'll see what happens. I don't think it's a cause for celebration for Nintendo because they were the only ones in the industry with this backwards practice in the first place. More a celebration for gamers to let them share footage and create their own content without being hamstrung and penny pinched by Nintendo's problematic program.
 

GlassCup64

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Dec 16, 2017
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  • "We encourage you to create videos that include your creative input and commentary. Videos and images that contain mere copies of Nintendo Game Content without creative input or commentary are not permitted. You may, however, post gameplay videos and screenshots using Nintendo system features, such as the Capture Button on Nintendo Switch, without additional input or commentary."
So no silent direct-feed footage?
 

TheMadTitan

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Oct 27, 2017
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Go look up world of longplays. They already got everything uploaded you want to see. With no commentary
But they don't because by they're very nature, they're extended runs of a game, with story bits and cutscenes included.

I want gameplay snippets; maybe five to ten minutes of someone who's running through a section and playing. Something I don't have to skip through to get to what I want to see.

Longplays don't give me what I want at the rate I want it, making it annoying to look up anything.
 

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Would you consider it a form of monetization that is not legally affiliated with Nintendo licensed content in video form on other platforms if the Creator's Patreon page and reference does not explicitly say it is?
That's complex enough to be a question for a lawyer, and I'm not one. I do have a couple thoughts on the matter though. First: the most common reward I see in video Patreons is early access to videos. It would be hard to argue that you're not monetizing a video if someone gives you money to see said video early. Second: in addition to the common pay-per-month model Patreon supports a pay-per-creation model. If I've signed up to send a creator a buck every time they post a video, and they post a video with Nintendo content, I've just sent them a buck for a video with Nintendo content. These are common enough parts of the YouTube economy that Nintendo ought to address them as soon as possible and remove the ambiguity.
 

PCPace

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  • "We encourage you to create videos that include your creative input and commentary. Videos and images that contain mere copies of Nintendo Game Content without creative input or commentary are not permitted. You may, however, post gameplay videos and screenshots using Nintendo system features, such as the Capture Button on Nintendo Switch, without additional input or commentary."
So no silent direct-feed footage?
I think that is probably aimed at channels like ProSafia gaming, which has an "All bosses all cutscenes true ending" video for every Nintendo game(and some Sony games as well) hours after release. Something like that isn't transformative in the slightest and absolutely should be monetized by the IP holder.
 

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But they don't because by they're very nature, they're extended runs of a game, with story bits and cutscenes included.

I want gameplay snippets; maybe five to ten minutes of someone who's running through a section and playing. Something I don't have to skip through to get to what I want to see.

Longplays don't give me what I want at the rate I want it, making it annoying to look up anything.
So you want 5-10 mins of straight gameplay and no commentary? What exactly are you trying to see? Im pretty sure IGN or somebody do that. That said they can make those videos all they want, just cant monetize it so it shouldnt bother you.
 

JB2448

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TheMadTitan

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So you want 5-10 mins of straight gameplay and no commentary? What exactly are you trying to see? Im pretty sure IGN or somebody do that. That said they can make those videos all they want, just cant monetize it so it shouldnt bother you.
Aside from a few major titles, it's hard to get decent footage, and sites like IGN never really do decent gameplay videos where it's pure gameplay these days; they always have someone talking over. And if they're not talking over, they suck ass at playing the game.

And community wise, if they can't monetize it, they have less incentive to upload those kinds of videos.
 

Hailinel

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It's a common monetization method used by many video creators and streamers, and it's disallowed by these new rules. Nintendo explicitly says "other forms of monetization of our intellectual property for commercial purposes are not permitted." It doesn't say video hosts or streaming services, it says forms of monetization. Patreon is a form of monetization, it's not on the list of permitted forms, so it's not permitted.
That's not what it's saying, though.

If I were to contribute to a YouTuber's Patreon, I'd be contributing to them for their work in general. It's not money tied to any specific video. YouTube videos are not monetized through Patreon; any ad run on a YouTube video is applied via YouTube itself.
 

Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,550
At least we no longer have to deal with people defending that hot garbage,
 

Sander VF

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
25,963
Tbilisi, Georgia
At least we no longer have to deal with people defending that hot garbage,
You'd think corporate cheerleaders would actively want their company of choice to go back on a decision that actually limits their outreach, but apologetic impulses prevailed I guess.

Mix that with the demo overlap with the category of people that has their "old man yelling at a cloud" impulses triggered by LP industry and I guess it makes sense.
 

Dekuman

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Oct 27, 2017
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At least we no longer have to deal with people defending that hot garbage,

You'd think corporate cheerleaders would actively want their company of choice to go back on a decision that actually limits their outreach, but apologetic impulses prevailed I guess.

Mix that with the demo overlap with the category of people that has their "old man yelling at a cloud" impulses triggered by LP industry and I guess it makes sense.

As Era proves, there are defenders for everything, but this seems more like a situatiuon of you two yelling at clouds. This content creator issue has been one of the least defended bad Nintendo decision accross the board.
Nintendo youtubes obviously want it gone and have said so before, podcasters and people who discuss mostly Nintendo all don't like it and I don't see it defended much here. Between podcasters and the youtubers, that's the vast majority of people who actively talk about Nintendo in our online bubble. Not sure who would be defending it outside of rando forum diehards, but you have those for everything.
 

Sander VF

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Oct 28, 2017
25,963
Tbilisi, Georgia
As Era proves, there are defenders for everything, but this seems more like a situatiuon of you two yelling at clouds. This content creator issue has been one of the least defended bad Nintendo decision accross the board.
Nintendo youtubes obviously want it gone and have said so before, podcasters etc.
I suppose it may not be obvious, but I'm talking about the minority that DID defend it, and there were more than enough of them back when the news first hit.

Just like how there are those who defend... ummm idiosyncracies of Switch online, despite being in the minority.

EDITl: Actually, it should be obvious, because I said "corporate cheerleaders". Vast majority of people into Nintendo aren't that.
 

Sacul64

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Oct 27, 2017
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As Era proves, there are defenders for everything, but this seems more like a situatiuon of you two yelling at clouds. This content creator issue has been one of the least defended bad Nintendo decision accross the board.
Nintendo youtubes obviously want it gone and have said so before, podcasters and people who discuss mostly Nintendo all don't like it and I don't see it defended much here. Between podcasters and the youtubers, that's the vast majority of people who actively talk about Nintendo in our online bubble. Not sure who would be defending it outside of rando forum diehards, but you have those for everything.

I always had defenders particularly the same people that think that its an easy job of just making a video and playing games crowd. A chunk of era is very dismissive of content creators to begin with.
 

MillionIII

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Sep 11, 2018
6,816
Now we only need a good online, an internet browser, media apps, being able to play their old games and more discounts on the 1st party games on eshop.