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Sure but even the relative failures of the 3DS and Wii U come out to ~90 million. The Switch -should- hit 100 million because its (presumably) going to be the only piece of hardware they sell for the next 6+ years
Not really. That point doesn't make much sense because they actually profit more of Switch units than they did over producing two different console lines. They also have mobile and licensing to movies/products/etc now as two big pillars of revenue.

If this metric of one hardware doing the same as two previous ones together was used to define success, the PS4 would be underperforming as well as the PS3 + PSP did over 160M+ together.
 

JoRu

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I can't think of a worse time to put out an article like this about Nintendo. Ok, launch day of Smash Ultimate might be the absolute worst, but this is pretty close.
 

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The obsession with this 20 million target is just bizarre to me. Like I get it, if Nintendo miss it by like 3-4 million there will be questions to answer and yeah but they'd have still sold 34/35 million systems in 2 years for crying out loud. I don't get the urge to jump to negativity when *that* is the worst case scenario.
 

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Sure but even the relative failures of the 3DS and Wii U come out to ~90 million. The Switch -should- hit 100 million because its (presumably) going to be the only piece of hardware they sell for the next 6+ years

The PS3 + PSP sold somewhere in the region of 160m+, should Sony be disappointed if PS4+Vita don't hit that?

I guess you could blame Vita but what if PS5 doesn't sell 160m units?
 

Forkball

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I knew who wrote this article before I even clicked on the thread. Yuji Nakamura has a T-Rex skull-sized bone to pick with Nintendo. Just google him and look at his other articles.
 

Derrick01

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Nintendo should go third party they're doing so bad.

There can I get paid to be an "analyst" now?
 

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The concern stems from the Switch's current lack of broader appeal, weaker than expected first half sales and also underperformance from other segments such as mobile and online.
It's a bit overblown if you ask me, especially when Switch is set to have a strong holiday. The Switch is a success in every sense of the word, sure it's not Wii&DS era, but people shouldn't be expecting that.
 

Dingens

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analysts are like the most useless people in our society, yet they get better paid than pretty much anyone working in education.
 

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"So far, the Switch has struggled to find customers beyond a core fan base"/

Immediately followed by.

"The Switch is on track to reach 35 million unit shipments by March".




LOL.
 

Yung Coconut

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After finishing up with Zelda, Mario and Mario Kart I just haven't found a reason to turn on my switch. It's been collecting dust for months besides the few times I've taken it on flights. Pokémon, Mario Party and Smash aren't doing it for me either as I'm getting sick of Nintendo just releasing the same few series over and over at this point.

The library isn't amazing besides a few solid Nintendo releases each year and the Switch isn't cheap for the hardware you get. The accessories are ridiculously expensive. I kind of wish I hadn't fallen for the hype at launch as I just find myself going to my Xbox/PS4 for everything non-Nintendo anyway. I really don't get the Switch hype from this last year.
 

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I assume that when the analysts cited in this piece say there are "few attractive titles," they mean Switch isn't getting Call of Duty, Red Dead Redemption, Assassin's Creed, and other games that are making waves on other platforms and are known quantities for analysts who are generally ignorant of Nintendo and their business model.

They also probably mean that they don't see big new titles that superficially reach beyond the audiences for past Nintendo franchises (even though the audience seems to be bigger now for most franchises).
 

New Fang

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I knew who wrote this article before I even clicked on the thread. Yuji Nakamura has a T-Rex skull-sized bone to pick with Nintendo. Just google him and look at his other articles.
You say that, but the article quotes other people who are offering a negative outlook on the Switch after how this year has gone.
 

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If he does his username isn't known. He did in the old place but it doesn't seem he made the jump like everyone else did.
That would be a shame if true. I thought I saw him posting here at one point, but I can't remember. He wasn't the most regular on the old site but it was still nice to get questions answered occasionally when stuff like this popped up.
 
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After finishing up with Zelda, Mario and Mario Kart I just haven't found a reason to turn on my switch. It's been collecting dust for months besides the few times I've taken it on flights. Pokémon, Mario Party and Smash aren't doing it for me either as I'm getting sick of Nintendo just releasing the same few series over and over at this point.

The library isn't amazing besides a few solid Nintendo releases each year and the Switch isn't cheap for the hardware you get. The accessories are ridiculously expensive. I kind of wish I hadn't fallen for the hype at launch as I just find myself going to my Xbox/PS4 for everything non-Nintendo anyway. I really don't get the Switch hype from this last year.

... What does that have to do with this?
 

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The concern stems from the Switch's current lack of broader appeal, weaker than expected first half sales and also underperformance from other segments such as mobile and online.
It's a bit overblown if you ask me, especially when Switch is set to have a strong holiday. The Switch is a success in every sense of the word, sure it's not Wii&DS era, but people shouldn't be expecting that.
This is in line to Bloomberg's recent Tencent articles. Jumping the gun a bit too quickly over a piece of negative data/information.

I do think there's a discussion to be made over Switch's actual long time sales potential, but this is too extreme even for me.
 

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So instead of accepting that the Switch is not the next Wii, the move here is to decide all eight independent analysts just don't know what they're talking about?

Okay.

If they thought it was the next Wii that's their fault.

This is a reasonable take about the Switch: first half sales were a little disappointing mainly owing to the softer than expected software line-up as well as the failure of Labo to grab kids and casual players. However, all the data we've seen and the upcoming releases point to a huge holiday period which should make up for the softer sales in the first half of the FY. What this shows is the platform itself is an inherently desirable product but needs to be supported by a good software schedule.

Nintendo set a very ambitious hardware target and while they could still each it they might fall short by a million or two. This puts them at 18 million which is still up 15% on the previous FY without any major discounting aside from one software bundle over Black Friday.

On the other hand they're going to blow past their software target which suggests the base is engaged and wants to spend money on software which is a better indicator of platform health than missing a high hardware target by a million or two.

There, that's a reasonable take on the Switch's performance. Claiming the Switch can never become a "mass market product" is bizarre. I'm not some fancy analyst but I have to be missing something here. Something that sells 20 million in a year is mass market but something that sells 18 million is not?
 

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This reads like an article that was written a while ago, had to get out one way or another and just managed to be published on the worst day possible.

It's okay, we've all been there lmao
 

New Fang

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More Pachter was wrong about the Switch pre launch I'm surprised he didn't learn to hush, he refuses to change his views.
But Pachter isn't the only person quoted in the article....

Listen, I know some people refuse to hear any negativity about the Switch, but the facts are that this year hasn't gone how Nintendo hoped it would. The games just haven't been there to maintain the buzz they had last year. People on this forum were talking about this a year ago, when it was clear their 2018 was going to be light on heavy hitters. Here we are in late 2018 and it is was mostly true.
 

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This is in line to Bloomberg's recent Tencent articles. Jumping the gun a bit too quickly over a piece of negative data/information.

I do think there's a discussion to be made over Switch's actual long time sales potential, but this is too extreme even for me.

For sure. Bloomberg has a habit of doing it as you say. The Tencent articles have also been a bit OTT imo, focusing on the negative whilst ignoring crucial context / other information.

The points I noted in my previous post are very real things that analysts are looking at and discussing. But the way this article has been presented does a huge dis-service to those real concerns.
 

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I honestly thought this article was a parody and was shocked it was serious. The timing also didn't help.

Even before the holiday season the Switch was up from last year, so what's this about people losing interest?
 

Yung Coconut

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... What does that have to do with this?

I can see how other consumers could get beyond the hype and start feeling the same way? Switch has the same issues as every Nintendo console since the Gamecube. Same Nintendo games over and over. Lacking in hardware compared to competitors. Still not equal 3rd party support with their competitors. And the Switch is more expensive than a base PS4 or Xbox... I don't even get how the Switch has done so well this last year.

Not that agree with this article completely. But I could easily see sales starting to drop now that the Switch isn't the new shiny thing on the market.
 
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I can see how other consumers could get beyond the hype and start feeling the same way? Switch has the same issues as every Nintendo console since the Gamecube. Same Nintendo games over and over. Lacking in hardware compared to competitors. Still not equal 3rd party support with their competitors. And the Switch is more expensive than a base PS4 or Xbox... I don't even get how the Switch has done so well this last year.

Yeah, no.

And this article is still bogus.
 
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