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That is not what's being asked here, and I think you know that. But don't worry, Jones is a big boy, I'm sure he can handle people thinking he could've handled this situation better.

Is it though? Because from the posts here the only acceptable handling of the situation would have been to publicly denounce Colin and not go on the show. Or what is the way to handle this better AND go on the show which is what Jones wants to do (has done). I think its been pretty clearly explained in COJ his reasoning and people just don't want to accept that.

I'm sure jones can handle this but seems like many in the community just can't.
 

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Is it though? Because from the posts here the only acceptable handling of the situation would have been to publicly denounce Colin and not go on the show. Or what is the way to handle this better AND go on the show which is what Jones wants to do (has done). I think its been pretty clearly explained in COJ his reasoning and people just don't want to accept that.

I'm sure jones can handle this but seems like many in the community just can't.
As far as I know with some exceptions a lot of people care more about Jones not acknowledging that Colin more or less asked his followers to harass an EZA community member because of some twitter post than Jones going to the actual talkshow.
I am sure some people changed their mind about that talkshow because of the harassment of the community member as well.
 
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Yes and they were acknowledged all week and multiple times on COJ. Acknowledged doesn't mean he has to listen and obey what they say, that's where all of you are losing the plot.



Honestly don't even know what to say about this post. I wanted to reply with the "boy that escalated quickly" gif but I can only shake my head. The two things are not even tangentially related. Your whole post is the equivalent of "hey you buy cellphones? Do you know they are made with parts from child labor and slave labor to mine materials from africa? Then i guess you support and would fight for slavery in the USA as well".

If that's your only take away from it, I apologize. The use of exaggeration was made to establish where that line is drawn for Brandon Jones. None of the individuals I noted have been convicted of ANY crime.
 
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The user was warned for this post. Racism and misogyny aren't simply "differing opinions". Argue in good faith.
The reality is, if you continue to associate with a known toxic personality in a professional setting, you're going to be judged by that association. I've said what I think about the situation earlier in the thread and I stand by it for now, but I'm not going to blame people for being less forgiving. Especially if they are those actually being targeted by Colin's hateful and thoughtless comments.

Acting with open hostility over a differing opinion should not be acceptable, especially when the EZA community supports the idea of "Love and Respect". Hell, that shouldn't be acceptable for this forum in general.
 
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As far as I know with some exceptions a lot of people care more about Jones not acknowledging that Colin more or less asked his followers to harass an EZA community member because of some twitter post than Jones going to the actual talkshow.
I am sure some people changed their mind about that talkshow because of the harassment of the community member as well.

Really? Glanced his twitter and didn't see that. But if that is the case I can understand more of the disappointment
 

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It's hilarious to me that there are some people who ask for Ian to be taken off the podcast. Simply because of how damn pathetic it is. I mean, every single one of those people in the YouTube comments is nothing more than a far right nut who uses works like "cuck" and "SJW." They're children.
 

MrMette

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Really? Glanced his twitter and didn't see that. But if that is the case I can understand more of the disappointment
I have to say that in this instance I didn't see it directly either, but multiple people said so, so I think it is correct. As far as I understand, he did post a screenshot of the post. He didn't ask something directly, but if you do that, you know what will happen (unfortunately).
It is also possible he removed it afterwards or something.

Edit:
It is still there. I am not going to post it here as I am not sure if it is allowed, but it is from almost a week ago.
 

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Acting with open hostility over a differing opinion should not be acceptable, especially when the EZA community supports the idea of "Love and Respect". Hell, that shouldn't be acceptable for this forum in general.
Apparently we aren't allowed to post his stuff on this forum. That's probably why people are upset Jones didn't call him out on it too.

Edit: Nevermind, I took your post the completely opposite way.

Oh no.

Oh no.
 

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Yes and they were acknowledged all week and multiple times on COJ. Acknowledged doesn't mean he has to listen and obey what they say, that's where all of you are losing the plot.

Jones asked for people to give there opinions on working with Colin. I don't know how many times this had to be said before people start to hear it. If you ask for someone's opinion on something it is assumed that the person asking for your opinion will listen and respond to that opinion. That's how conversations work. Nobody is demanding that Jones does what they obeys them but a lot of people were expecting more of a dialog then was given to us because that's what the show "cup of jones" is supposed to be, a dialog between Jones and the patrons where you write in and Jones responds to whatever you write in about.
 

Dineren

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Acting with open hostility over a differing opinion should not be acceptable, especially when the EZA community supports the idea of "Love and Respect". Hell, that shouldn't be acceptable for this forum in general.
I very much enjoy EZA content, but that is just a tagline. Hiding behind L&R to support someone who has spouted and doubled down on sexist and racist comments (and whether you believe him to be racist or sexist doesn't matter, he said them and stood by them) is not going to fly with a lot of people here. I would be pretty depressed if I no longer felt comfortable supporting EZA (though to be clear I'm not currently a patreon) and I don't blame people for being emotional about this. The gaming community is toxic enough against women and minorities, why shouldn't people get angry about it?
 

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I have to say that in this instance I didn't see it directly either, but multiple people said so, so I think it is correct. As far as I understand, he did post a screenshot of the post. He didn't ask something directly, but if you do that, you know what will happen (unfortunately).
It occured when Colin singled out an EZA members twitter post to Jones and that member then deleted the tweet due to Colins fans piling on. Then Colin posted a screen cap of that tweet afterwards and the EZA member turned their twitter off. He posted about it in here when it happened.

Edit: beaten see tweet above
 

MrMette

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It occured when Colin singled out an EZA members twitter post to Jones and that member then deleted the tweet due to Colins fans piling on. Then Colin posted a screen cap of that tweet afterwards and the EZA member turned their twitter off. He posted about it in here when it happened.
Just found it. It is from almost a week ago (if it is the one you guys were talking about).
Edit: It is.
 
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It occured when Colin singled out an EZA members twitter post to Jones and that member then deleted the tweet due to Colins fans piling on. Then Colin posted a screen cap of that tweet afterwards and the EZA member turned their twitter off. He posted about it in here when it happened.

Can I get a link to this? Either Colin's tweet or the EZA member's post?
 

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One of the most baffling things to me is people who are so far gone that they think being called anything close to a bigot, even due to a misunderstanding, is as bad if not worse than the real discrimination that ruins lives every day. I thought I had a big ego, yeesh.
 

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REDACTED LINK BECAUSE REASONS

He just does not like to go against his audience hiding in his centrism

STILL I HAVE NO ISSUES OF JONES DOING HIS THINGIE IN CLS. I think the collab is just OK and harmless. Bloodworth has said several times they do defend Ian and Damiani, but some people want more. Some guys are impossible to please
 
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Honestly, I think controversy of this kind was bound to make its way to the allies sooner or later. As a public personality of any kind you simply cannot hope to stay apolitical or neutral forever with the state the world is in at the moment and I think the allies are only now starting to come to grips with that. The way Jones handled this whole situation is disappointing to me, to say the least, but I don't think it was done with any ill will and I hope they all have a good, long talk in the hopefully not too distant future about how to better handle these type of situations going forward should/when they present themselves again.
 

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STILL I HAVE NO ISSUES OF JONES DOING HIS THINGIE IN CLS. I think the collab is just OK and harmless. Bloodworth has said several times they do defend Ian and Damiani, but some people want more. Some guys are impossible to please
Actually people are remarkably easy to please, speak out against harassment and don't help prop up toxic elements. This reaction shouldn't be remotely a surprise to Jones unless he just hasn't been paying attention.
 

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I very much enjoy EZA content, but that is just a tagline. Hiding behind L&R to support someone who has spouted and doubled down on sexist and racist comments (and whether you believe him to be racist or sexist doesn't matter, he said them and stood by them) is not going to fly with a lot of people here. I would be pretty depressed if I no longer felt comfortable supporting EZA (though to be clear I'm not currently a patreon) and I don't blame people for being emotional about this. The gaming community is toxic enough against women and minorities, why shouldn't people get angry about it?

Why shouldn't it be more than a tagline? For someone who seems to believe in the idea of making people feel safe and inclusive, you seem equally as eager with suggesting hateful rhetoric to those if they don't share the same opinion as you.

Apparently we aren't allowed to post his stuff on this forum. That's probably why people are upset Jones didn't call him out on it too.

Edit: Nevermind, I took your post the completely opposite way.

Oh no.

Oh no.

Sorry, I am confused by this. Could you explain?
 

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Why shouldn't it be more than a tagline? For someone who seems to believe in the idea of making people feel safe and inclusive, you seem equally as eager with suggesting hateful rhetoric to those if they don't share the same opinion as you.



Sorry, I am confused by this. Could you explain?

whataboutism will get you far here
 

MrMette

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Actually people are remarkably easy to please, speak out against harassment and don't help prop up toxic elements. This reaction shouldn't be remotely a surprise to Jones unless he just hasn't been paying attention.
While I do think those things aren't an impossible ask. I am sure that whatever Jones had done, some people would have been upset about it. I don't think he could have done good for the whole community whatever he did or said.
But I am going to get some sleep now, it is almost 4pm here and I have to go to work tomorrow.
 

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Sorry, I am confused by this. Could you explain?
I'm probably confused too. At first I thought you were referring to how this whole Twitter thing was completely unacceptable and should be openly rejected by the Allies. But then someone replied to your post as if you were talking about the other posters in this thread which would be pretty embarrassing. Apologies if I misunderstood!
 

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So did anyone listen to the Podcast with Colin and Jones? If so could you summarize it.

Also what videos are Ian and Damiani getting hate for? I watch almost all of EZA content but never noticed any hate. So I'm surprised to see it mentioned here.
Edit: Found some comments from last week podcast. It's funny I listened to the episode last week and didn't think anything in it would warrant anger for me to check the comments. People these days.
 
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So did anyone listen to the Podcast with Colin and Jones? If so could you summarize it.

Also what videos are Ian and Damiani getting hate for? I watch almost all of EZA content but never noticed any hate. So I'm surprised to see it mentioned here.
YouTube comments. So... Ian. And then


So YouTube comments.
 

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So did anyone listen to the Podcast with Colin and Jones? If so could you summarize it.

Also what videos are Ian and Damiani getting hate for? I watch almost all of EZA content but never noticed any hate. So I'm surprised to see it mentioned here.
You just have to look at any Easy Update video to see the Ian hate.
 

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So did anyone listen to the Podcast with Colin and Jones? If so could you summarize it.

Also what videos are Ian and Damiani getting hate for? I watch almost all of EZA content but never noticed any hate. So I'm surprised to see it mentioned here.
Probably best to get a summary from a different board.

Ian and Dam get crap from driveby internet losers (trolls) at basically every turn, mostly on the youtube comments sections of the world where moderation is nonexistent and people have no better way to fulfill their existence than to troll. Ian gets crap for the same reasons we all love him, Damiani... I don't really understand what the Damiani haters are on about. Maybe it's because he gave BotW a undeservedly low score. Maybe it's a bunch of Oklahoma fans. Unclear
 

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Is Jones really going on Colin's podcast? Apparently he went already? What is wrong with Easy Allies sometimes? I'm kinda fed up of their wishywashy stance on actual important shit. Take a stand already. That is just as bad or even worse than that "both sides" tweet from Bloodworth a while ago.
 

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You just have to look at any Easy Update video to see the Ian hate.
I don't know if the Colin M situation triggered this or if it's because the EZ Update episode was considered particularly worse than the usual, but if this doesn't die down I think they should consider disabling comments, at least for a while. It's just no use putting up with YT comments once they start to garner a hate-crowd.
 

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Why shouldn't it be more than a tagline? For someone who seems to believe in the idea of making people feel safe and inclusive, you seem equally as eager with suggesting hateful rhetoric to those if they don't share the same opinion as you.
How can it be more than a tagline when you associate with the very people that have perpetuated the harassment and bigotry that is so pervasive in this industry? I'm not saying people should go out and harass Colin, his fans, or Jones, but I can empathize with their situation and understand why they would be angry. I'm not even close to perfect and I don't expect anyone else to be, but I don't think demanding someone treat others with respect is something that should even need to be said. If you can't manage that, why would I even bother with you? If your first response to someone trying to explain why you are hurting them is to belittle and mock, why should you get the benefit of the doubt?

People have posted plenty of examples of Colin's behavior in the past pages. Jones didn't find that compelling enough to stop his appearance something that honestly makes me more uncomfortable the more I think about it. The fact that I'm even in an EZA thread writing this much about Colin is depressing as hell and I hope this isn't a sign of things to come. I'll wait for a transcript to come out on his talk with Colin to make up my mind, but I'm prepared to be disappointed.
 

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You just have to look at any Easy Update video to see the Ian hate.

Yeah I just checked them out pretty shitty comments. They need YouTube moderators or use the new like comment feature that shows the liked comment from EZA higher to stifle out a bit of the hate.

Probably best to get a summary from a different board.

Ian and Dam get crap from driveby internet losers (trolls) at basically every turn, mostly on the youtube comments sections of the world where moderation is nonexistent and people have no better way to fulfill their existence than to troll. Ian gets crap for the same reasons we all love him, Damiani... I don't really understand what the Damiani haters are on about. Maybe it's because he gave BotW a undeservedly low score. Maybe it's a bunch of Oklahoma fans. Unclear

I did check reddit and didn't find anything. Oh well I will check it when it becomes free.

It's his review of the game why would it be undeserving? I remember his stream of Nier Automata rustled some feathers but that was some time ago.
 

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I hate to say this but this is disappointing from Jones. I get Colin is his friend but god damn when you have people who deal with endless harassment on your team why invite it in?

Thing is I've no doubt Jones had no ill intentions involved at all either. But that he didn't think this could result in more hatred being brought on others is what really gets me and now it's Damiani and Ian who seemingly will be taking the extra heat. I know he's a good guy, that's easy to tell. I just thought he'd see clearly that this could invite unwanted attention too.

I get what Ian's trying to say too on Twitter but I see no value personally in allowing any frequency boost to someone who constantly shits on minorities and refuses to listen.

Damnit I only came here to work out where the Tabletop Escapades episode went.
 

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How can it be more than a tagline when you associate with the very people that have perpetuated the harassment and bigotry that is so pervasive in this industry? I'm not saying people should go out and harass Colin, his fans, or Jones, but I can empathize with their situation and understand why they would be angry. I'm not even close to perfect and I don't expect anyone else to be, but I don't think demanding someone treat others with respect is something that should even need to be said. If you can't manage that, why would I even bother with you? If your first response to someone trying to explain why you are hurting them is to belittle and mock, why should you get the benefit of the doubt?

People have posted plenty of examples of Colin's behavior in the past pages. Jones didn't find that compelling enough to stop his appearance something that honestly makes me more uncomfortable the more I think about it. The fact that I'm even in an EZA thread writing this much about Colin is depressing as hell and I hope this isn't a sign of things to come. I'll wait for a transcript to come out on his talk with Colin to make up my mind, but I'm prepared to be disappointed.
If Kinda Funny and their fans were able to move on from Colin stuff, then this will pass too imo.
 

Dineren

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If Kinda Funny and their fans were able to move on from Colin stuff, then this will pass too imo.
That comment was more about the possibility of there being future collaborations with him. I haven't heard the podcast and I'm not going to pay a cent to Colin's patreon so I can only wait to see what Jones had to say. The comments for the tweet gave me a certain impression, but I'll wait to see what he actually said before making my mind up.
 

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I hate to say this but this is disappointing from Jones. I get Colin is his friend but god damn when you have people who deal with endless harassment on your team why invite it in?

Thing is I've no doubt Jones had no ill intentions involved at all either. But that he didn't think this could result in more hatred being brought on others is what really gets me and now it's Damiani and Ian who seemingly will be taking the extra heat. I know he's a good guy, that's easy to tell. I just thought he'd see clearly that this could invite unwanted attention too.

I get what Ian's trying to say too on Twitter but I see no value personally in allowing any frequency boost to someone who constantly shits on minorities and refuses to listen.

Damnit I only came here to work out where the Tabletop Escapades episode went.
Friday!
 

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I hate to say this but this is disappointing from Jones. I get Colin is his friend but god damn when you have people who deal with endless harassment on your team why invite it in?

Thing is I've no doubt Jones had no ill intentions involved at all either. But that he didn't think this could result in more hatred being brought on others is what really gets me and now it's Damiani and Ian who seemingly will be taking the extra heat. I know he's a good guy, that's easy to tell. I just thought he'd see clearly that this could invite unwanted attention too.

I get what Ian's trying to say too on Twitter but I see no value personally in allowing any frequency boost to someone who constantly shits on minorities and refuses to listen.

Damnit I only came here to work out where the Tabletop Escapades episode went.

it's on friday

I've purchased my first gunpla in anticipation for this, though I will probably cave and start one this weekend.

if there's one kit everyone should build it's this one

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Acting with open hostility over a differing opinion should not be acceptable, especially when the EZA community supports the idea of "Love and Respect". Hell, that shouldn't be acceptable for this forum in general.
By his own choice, Colin Moriarty is openly associated with racism and misogyny - and neither of those is just a "differing opinion". Those are things that aren't acceptable in this forum.

"Love & Respect" may be EZA's slogan, but they're things we on Era take very seriously as well. And being openly hostile against racism and misogyny is something that falls within the very definition of "Love & Respect".

This concern trolling over the way poor Colin Moriarty is being unfairly treated by the EZA community stops here. I'm pretty sure tolerating intolerance isn't part of the "Love & Respect" mantra, and we will not stand for people being bullied for taking a stance against intolerance, in this thread or in any other.
 

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The user was banned for this post (5 days). Arguing in bad faith, abusing the report system, and laughing at a moderator's fair warnings aren't productive ways to add your opinion to a discussion.
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Brazil is the discussion about the content of the podcast of Colin & Jones going to be fine to be discussed here or not? I understand we don't want Colin content on Era but I'm not clear about whether content like this or similar content with others in the industry that are not banned in Era would be okay or not within the rules.
 

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Brazil is the discussion about the content of the podcast of Colin & Jones going to be fine to be discussed here or not? I understand we don't want Colin content on Era but I'm not clear about whether content like this or similar content with others in the industry that are not banned in Era would be okay or not within the rules.
As long as you guys keep it civil. We do not usually offer a platform for Colin Moriarty's output here, but since Brandon's participation makes this an off case that's important for the entire EZA community, it seems reasonable to make an exception.

If things start getting out of hand as it has a couple of times in the past week, though, we may have to intervene.
 

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But like seriously this week's podcast is really good

Feels like Kyle forgot his rule for ties, where both winners get a point. He declared the Red Eagles winners when the Platypi still could have come back if they intentionally guess the same thing each week and won.

Or he just decided it was too unlikely... Robbing us of a potential miraculous comeback!
 

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PSA The Easy Allies schedule has updated and they added TGA, PSX reactions, PSX Meet and Greet and the betting special.
 
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