Agreed. Jack was right. Wondering who else might step in if Sony exited the space. Google and Apple would be interesting.
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"...The environment where PlayStation wins is best for this industry" - was Jack Tretton Right?
- Thread starter Empyrean Cocytus
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I see what you're saying, but I don't agree. I think people were just wrong about the death of gaming. Sony being good this gen helped, but I don't think they saved anything.
Both. Obviously I can't prove it. Let's see what happens in the next year :)
Mmm I don't know about all that, especially the NES comparison. If Sony had floundered just like MS did then Xbox would be the leading console, and things would simply be reverses.
PS4 is selling a whole lot because MS alienated a lot of its audience before the twins even launched, and caused a lot of people to shift to PS4. Then PS4 started having killer exclusives and it became a no brainer for a lot of people to continue choosing PS4
This. I'm so excited for next gen. I hope both MS and Sony bring their A game so that we can get some real competition between the two
I love my PS4 and I love Sony, but anybody who thought gaming was gonna die in 2013 was a fucking idiot.
This is a horrible way to look at it. If this were true, then we would still have the xbox one original DRM. The best environment is letting the best products thrive over bad products. That actually forces people to change and then try to 1up. Otherwise we would end up with an oligopoly.
Let's not forget the other major factor. PS4 was cheaper and more powerful. Before games were a differentiating factor that automatically gave PS4 the edge.
Yeah, I feel the same way. I'll full admit that I was on the hype train leading up to the PS4's launch, and I was totally cheering Sony on with every jab at Microsoft's vision for the XB1. I feel like it kicked up a hell of a fervor.
It took a while for the system to finally deliver on the hype, IMO. It was neat to see how games were pushing boundaries in its first two years and it got some decent ports/remasters that kinda stood out for their immediate increase in fidelity over previous gen versions (I was immensely impressed with Last of Us on PS4 and GTAV on PS4 after very recently playing their PS3 debuts, for instance). It wasn't until 2015 when Bloodborne and Witcher 3 dropped that I really personally got invested in this gen, though... But ever since then, it's just felt more and more exciting and I've personally reached all-time high of enthusiasm for videogames during the last few years. I owe a lot of that to the PS4 being kind of a success as a home console personally, as it's been kind of my platform preference since the outset of the generation. I get the feeling I'm not alone in that, especially given the strong sales and obvious enthusiasm around PlayStation-centric events like PSX.
Oh yeah I include MS pricing xbox so high as one of their major fuck ups tbh. They got cocky with so many things just like sony did with the PS3
Usually when Sony is winning the depth and variety of games are at its peak... I'm glad we have avoided the impending all GAAS future for just a little longer.
You're right. This totally sounds like a fanboy statement.
The doom and gloom you're referring to was in hardcore circles on forums like this one.
There's just as much doom and gloom now with lootbox controversies, studios shutting down Left and right and the rise and rise of GaaS. Yet as you said, the industry is doing great.
The doom and gloom was in your head. The industry grew last gen from the one before it. If anything, it's shrunk in size this gen. We're almost at the end of this generation and we've hit MAYBE 150 million consoles sold. Last gen we hit 260.
If anything, the stats show that when Sony is dominant, the market looks smaller. The largest install base came in Gen 7, when Nintendo was the leader.
They at least pushed Microsoft away from that always online, mandatory Kinect state.
If Sony would have followed suit like everyone thought, hence the huge social media campaign against them doing as MS did, I think we'd be having a totally different discussion about the future of gaming.
Sony and Nintendo both copied paid online from MS, because you'd be dumb not to make near free money.
Never underestimate how well we benefit when there is healthy competition.
I totally agree. Though the credit has to be given to those guys cause they are doing it right now; being industry leaders.
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Are they really winning tho?
Money hating almost every succesful game since the start of the generation while Nintendo sells around the same with Switch thanks entirely to their 1st party lineup and without help of the entire industry.
Money hating almost every succesful game since the start of the generation while Nintendo sells around the same with Switch thanks entirely to their 1st party lineup and without help of the entire industry.
If Sony had messed up the PS4 than players would not be keen on getting either PS4/XB1 and the whole indsutry would be in trouble.
Did you miss the part where the PS4 effectively forced MS to change the XB1?
Thing is XB can never appeal to major market segments globally like PS can. Even in MS's dominating days of the 360 we saw this.
A healthy Playstation is still needed for global penetration.
Great observation. Last gen when the ps3 would lose months in places like the US and the UK it was "the ps3 lost". But now the ps4 is winning the tune has changed.
To answer the OP, I would say yes but Sony need competition. I laughed reading some of your OP out of embarrassment. Can't believe sony were that bad. If Microsoft had of gone on and dominated this gen and Sony failed I think we would be in a much worse place. It's always good to have Nintendo around top so in an ideal world for me the holy trinity of Nintendo, PlayStation and PC would all Thrive.
Yeah, there's no way they're out doing PlayStation and Nintendo or taking any influence from them.
I will take that you mean that Sony is thriving in Japan with you refering to third party games on the country because PS4 isn't hot in Japan at all and it's almost being surpassed by Switch that came 3 years later.
It's definitely amazing how this happened
It's definitely amazing how this happened
Anything that grows the pie is an "everyone wins" scenario
Thank you to our ACTUAL lord and savior, Fortnite, that grew the pie SIGNIFICANTLY
and pokeman go
Thank you to our ACTUAL lord and savior, Fortnite, that grew the pie SIGNIFICANTLY
and pokeman go
gaming was never gonna die.
those saying consoles were gonna die are just naive.
God no.
A Generation 7 in which the PS3 dominated from the start would've resulted in a drastically worse gaming landscape than what we have today. We'd still be stuck with the de-facto third party exclusivity hegemony that Nintendo started through Yamauchi's yakuza-style practices, and Sony did their best to continue through copious moneyhatting.
A Generation 7 in which the PS3 dominated from the start would've resulted in a drastically worse gaming landscape than what we have today. We'd still be stuck with the de-facto third party exclusivity hegemony that Nintendo started through Yamauchi's yakuza-style practices, and Sony did their best to continue through copious moneyhatting.
Its hard to say historically as out of the 4 gens PS has existed it has won 3.
Its easier to say quantitatively:
A healthy PS results in wider global appeal (not entirely exclusive to PS), and this is crucial for third parties to thrive, especially Japanese third parties as much of their audience is tied to the Playstation audience.
So the key is more if this Playstation audience, and if it can move. In markets like EU and Asia is clear they won't and both are very important markets.
So ultimately, the safest option is Playstation being a success. The other options rely on more risky factors. Doesn't definitively rule them out, but makes them less attractive due to the risk.
Its easier to say quantitatively:
A healthy PS results in wider global appeal (not entirely exclusive to PS), and this is crucial for third parties to thrive, especially Japanese third parties as much of their audience is tied to the Playstation audience.
So the key is more if this Playstation audience, and if it can move. In markets like EU and Asia is clear they won't and both are very important markets.
So ultimately, the safest option is Playstation being a success. The other options rely on more risky factors. Doesn't definitively rule them out, but makes them less attractive due to the risk.
But think about it...
If the PS4 had fell flat, there would be alot of consoles dying talk. Remember the Wii U started this gen off. It would have been looking really dire if the PS4 had flopped.
Nintendo does well globally, PlayStation isn't essential for that. And 360 did well basically everywhere but Japan even if it didn't lead there.
Sony isn't magic and the industry can still thrive with them not in the lead. Like it did last gen when it moved double the hardware and significantly more software than it is now.
I agree with this.
Sony leading doesn't mean lack of competition. Every company is doing well. And every gamer is being catered to.
Nintendo is far less likely to do well globally and the 360 was clearly biased in US/UK.
Nintendo is also far behind technologically and gets a fraction of the third party, Japanese and Western support, that Playstation does.
No one is magic, point is Playstation is vital for the industry.
Short: Yes.
Most games overall. Western or from the asian market. A lot of incredible exclusives. Small games or the big 3rd party games. PlayStation has them all. All in all, yes. Jack Tretton was right.
Also, the homogenization of games under sony's watch has been kind of a bummer. But things will get creative again.
I was going to say he's wrong...but some of y'all make a good case for him being right.
And someone mentioned it already, but market leader doesn't necessarily mean monopoly. Just means market leader.
They are the market leader right now, but they don't have a monopoly.
And someone mentioned it already, but market leader doesn't necessarily mean monopoly. Just means market leader.
They are the market leader right now, but they don't have a monopoly.
I understand, but the doom and gloom went far beyond niche hardcore gaming forums, it was all over the mainstream.
http://fortune.com/2012/11/27/why-tablets-are-the-future-of-gaming/
https://www.cnbc.com/id/48212955
https://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/tech/gaming-gadgets/console-gaming-dead/index.html
And literally hundreds of articles and interviews with the same tone and narrative, big expensive boxes are dying, phones and tablets are the future.
I guess saying "It won't" is my production. It's going to be very interesting to see how things are in a few years.
One thing.
Sony if anything, it's doing more "money-hatting" now in it's current market leader position than they did last gen. Microsoft proved that the practice was extensively viable last gen (Call of Duty marketing, Mass Effect marketing, etc.) and Sony followed suit at full speed after.
Switch is doing incredibly well globally and that's despite PS4's market position. You're flat out wrong here on Nintendo. Likewise while 360 was stronger in US/UK it still did really well in other nations (France, Mexico, Australia, etc). The industry would do fine without Sony, it'd easily survive any of the 3 really. Japan's console industry might not without Nintendo but that's probably it.
So you're going to just forget that MS helped last gen grow so big too.
Last gen was the first time 3 home consoles sold more than 80 million.
If we want to mention Nintendo, they're the reason for alot of the consoles are dying talk. The Wii U before the PS4, XBO launched had ppl thinking crazy.
And before the Wii, Nintendo was almost an afterthought for home consoles.
The only thing consistent for the industry for home consoles has been Sony.
Nintendo has basically a monopoly on the hand held market, no one seems to be upset with that or even care.
Very little to do with Sony and more to do with Sega Japan running their hardware business into the ground.
Delusions of grandeur.
Fuck no.
SNES, 360/Wii, Switch, NES, all disagree.
Sony got murdered last gen and still turned out okay in the end, sold a ton of units, and had no problem securing third party games.
It seems Sony just needs to show up and they'll be handed games on a silver platter.
I remember when Nintendo failed and got third party support regardless. Oh wait..
I also remember when Nintendo was market leader and they got a lot of third party games. Oh wait..
Fuck no.
SNES, 360/Wii, Switch, NES, all disagree.
Sony got murdered last gen and still turned out okay in the end, sold a ton of units, and had no problem securing third party games.
It seems Sony just needs to show up and they'll be handed games on a silver platter.
I remember when Nintendo failed and got third party support regardless. Oh wait..
I also remember when Nintendo was market leader and they got a lot of third party games. Oh wait..
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Yes, absolutely. When you are a healthy platform holder, you have to take care of yourself as well as the third party. Wii was successful but even Nintendo couldn't replicate the success so it's not really a good business model. PlayStation has traditionally been good to third parties and that model is proven to be successful and repeatable.
Japanese felt nearly dead in that gen while putting out many content during the gen in the console space? Even more counting on DS and PSP which had a absurd content from japanese third parties (as it always had for obvious reasons of handheld being the big thing in jp)
Andrew House said something about the fact that Ps4 sales were giving back trust to the videogame market, can't find where he said but it was very close to this.
And regardless of Sony doing well, mobile gaming, which was posting enormous profits seemingly out of thin air, was going to remain creatively bankrupt and exploitative and would still have only siphoned away casual gamers with little investment or interest in console gaming. We'd still be in roughly the same position, except with Mattrick receiving tons of credit for whatthehellever and Microsoft still being dumb because of no meaningfully competitive Sony.
The only thing Sony saved was Microsoft's gaming division.
Some people never understood that Xbox 360 didn't win last gen, it has been Nintendo vs Sony for a loooonnng time
lmao what? No games on Nintendo consoles require additional regulation since the creation of PEGI, ESRB, CERO and others rating boards. SIE is the one who still do that for many of their games which we could see many getting censored on PS2 but not on Gamecube and they made it even worse this year with japanese games for the japanese market.
Also, Gamecube in no way had a "abysmal support". It was almost the same as Xbox and many of the titles came to the console. Same with Wii where they had more than 700 million of third party software sold between the almost 1 billion software that the console had. Not counting handhelds of course because those never lose anything.