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ProfessorLobo

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Mark Blyth (Professor of Political Economy at Brown University) has had a few talks about it. You can find them on youtube. Basic premise is that a lot of it is driven by economics disparity.
A lot of the other answers in this thread strike me as dumb (no offense) but this seems much closer. Once economic disparity hits hard, people tend to blame the other. What kind of surprises me is there hasn't been a communist/anarchist resurgence around the world alongside it. Today's conditions do somewhat remind me of pre Spanish civil war .
 

Sokrates

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Oct 27, 2017
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Correlation doesn't equal causation and all that, but World War II occurred not long after the Great Depression. I agree that far right ideology tends to thrive in times of economic hardship.

It's mostly because it provides a breeding ground for far-right populists to blame economic problems on outside groups, rather than on the economic and political elites who caused the problem in the first place.

Fascism doesn't combat the actual problem: wealth inequality.
 
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The recession is a much bigger reason.
Facebook and Twitter are both responsible and cultivated the continued eroding of the truth and disinformation in society. Either through a lack of moderation or tossing a blind eye to those doing so intentionally. People seeking comfort in false narratives IS a result of the recession, but the platforms could have easily avoided it.
 

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Economic disparity, capitalists deflecting it using racism and otherism though fake news in social media. Liberalism failing to find a good narrative against all that and instead coddling and flirting with it in order to contain it electorally (and failing).
 

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Kirblar

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A lot of the other answers in this thread strike me as dumb (no offense) but this seems much closer. Once economic disparity hits hard, people tend to blame the other. What kind of surprises me is there hasn't been a communist/anarchist resurgence around the world alongside it. Today's conditions do somewhat remind me of pre Spanish civil war .
Because communisms failures are well documented while social democratic apartheid states have been shown to be actually functional despite the moral bankruptcy.
 

Sub Boss

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Things come and go, nazism was more than 50 years, human shit.it will get worse then better then worse again no linear 'moral timeline actually exists
 

Medalion

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Too much political correctness and social justice rubbed people wrong way
 

sprsk

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Just like America spent the 1900s "spreading democracy"
Russia is spending their 2000s "spreading fascism"

It seems pretty simple to me? The more everyone else is like Russia, the better it is for Putin.
 

Weegian

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As others have said, we're far enough away from the 1930s and 40s that people have started to forget. People who never experienced anything else are taking democracy for granted.
 

vertigo

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Easier to blame immigrants and social change for threatening your way of life than the system that is so ingrained into our society
 

funky

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People still struggling after the 08 crash and the sense Western Governments failed to fix root issues causing a lot of resentment and that grew over time.

Lots of people just fed up with that status quo even when its against their own well being, Others use that as a excuse for to spread their racism and some people are dumb enough to go along with it.



And of course some people where always racist.
 

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Just like America spent the 1900s "spreading democracy"
Russia is spending their 2000s "spreading fascism"

It seems pretty simple to me? The more everyone else is like Russia, the better it is for Putin.
This is the kind of thinking that's going to make it even more difficult to come up with effective ways of combating fascism. No, it is not just being spread by Russia.
 

Ukraine

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1. You forgot Russia
2. I think it's as simple as politicians using populism to win elections. I don't think that people got more racist, it's just that they are being used more often now
 

OMEGALUL

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Oct 10, 2018
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I don't vote (and my vote doesn't matter where I stay) and the world that I was promised 20 years ago was bullshit, it's became worse, its became more violet, more pollutant, I don't have the same opportunities as my parents, I'm saddled with debt, I'm old and I don't have wife yet, my education has became less valuable and I'm being more and more marginalized every day. its becoming worse and worse. The right wing seems awfully sympathetic to me, they may be awful but at least awful listens to you.
 

Ravensmash

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Brexit is a shit show and was fuelled by xenophobia by certain parties.

A common Brexiteer belief though, is the insistence that the EU is some tyrannical/authoritarian entity that's taking away sovereignty and is about to impose any number of 'crazy' laws on the British.
 

Crocks

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In a two way referendum where one side is running racists ads. Very much yes.

It was a political party running that ad. If you want to make the argument that UKIP are fascist, I'm still very skeptical but that's far more reasonable. We have a member here whose parents voted for Brexit because they really hate the metric system. Stupid? Yes. Fascist? No. Even *if* we make the broad assumption that everyone that voted to leave did so because they're racist, the terms "racist" and "fascist" aren't one and the same. They aren't interchangable. Fascist has its own meaning.

Theresa May's Conservative party support Brexit, Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party support Brexit. Between them these two parties got 82.4% of the vote at the last election - they're all supporters of fascism?

Not that it matters, but I voted remain, think Brexit is an awful idea, think immigration is brilliant and support the rights of all migrants to stay in the UK after Brexit.
 

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The 1950s in America were a time of a huge economic boom for the country and also an era of hotbed racialized violence as Black Americans coming back from the war tried to move into more expensive (white) neighborhoods.

Even without the recession the matter of people trying to flee the hotbed of violence that the regions around Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. have become since 2001 as refugees would surely enough for racist people to rally around, irrespective of the money they make. This is why "economic anxiety" is so easy to pin down as an obvious red herring, especially when the fascists in power don't actually do anything to protect the financial interests of the people that purportedly represent their base.

I don't think white supremacy is false consciousness; it's important to think of it a specific type of solidarity, which is why the Nazis could claim to be organizing in a manner they called "socialism" despite otherwise being wholly against the policies associated with socialism
 

Hollywood Duo

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It was a political party running that ad. If you want to make the argument that UKIP are fascist, I'm still very skeptical but that's far more reasonable. We have a member here whose parents voted for Brexit because they really hate the metric system. Stupid? Yes. Fascist? No. Even *if* we make the broad assumption that everyone that voted to leave did so because they're racist, the terms "racist" and "fascist" aren't one and the same. They aren't interchangable. Fascist has its own meaning.

Theresa May's Conservative party support Brexit, Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party support Brexit. Between them these two parties got 82.4% of the vote at the last election - they're all supporters of fascism?

Not that it matters, but I voted remain, think Brexit is an awful idea, think immigration is brilliant and support the rights of all migrants to stay in the UK after Brexit.
There are certainly different levels of this. You can be an active supporter of it or passively let it happen because you have some of the same goals. It's like how over here in the States so many people vote Republican solely on abortion. Nothing else even remotely matters to them so now they are supporting fascists because they don't want to "kill babies" and yet their President is literally killing children.
 

Amnesty

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Agree. Conservatives, who are strict adherents to neoliberalism, tend to be the ones that become fascists. The question is why..
Neoliberalism casts the individual as an enterprise - most importantly, a failed enterprise, since the vast majority of people will never achieve anything significant in life due to factors that are often out of their control. They can't because a neoliberal society isn't set up to be interdependent or inclusive. So they buy things, to buttress their deeper sense of themselves being economically unviable. The meaning from consumption dresses the wounds of meaninglessness derived from being unable to reach the particular kind of achievement sensibility that grows out of neoliberalism. People then look to a politics that reflects the autonomy they lack, they take strength from leaders that tell them others are at fault for their failures, the failures that are ultimately created by the politics they so eagerly come to follow through this deception. It's everybody but them, but 'us'. Outsiders (minorities) are the ones who create all the problems. The turn to facism is not far at this point. Doesn't help that centuries of racist indoctrination are ingrained into these people as well.
 

Protein

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The rich white man can't just blame the poor white man anymore, so he blames the poor brown and black man to distract, while he continues to pillage and plunder.
 

Avinash117

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A lot of the other answers in this thread strike me as dumb (no offense) but this seems much closer. Once economic disparity hits hard, people tend to blame the other. What kind of surprises me is there hasn't been a communist/anarchist resurgence around the world alongside it. Today's conditions do somewhat remind me of pre Spanish civil war .

Because they want a solution where a strongman solves the problem. Strongmen requires authorianism( a strong central government) and all of the strongmen are using a neoliberalism( or not do anything different from before) economic framework for their economic policies in some degree. The strongmen use a culture war and generate support by being overtly against actual problems that affect the country like violence and corruption. Ironically and unsurprisingly, the strongmen are no better themselves.
 

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Facebook and Twitter have to do with a lot of it, along with a backlash to immigration and globalization. In the US in particular, you had whitelash from having the first black President as well and increased fear of white people as they slowly lose their majority status. But even despite this, it took anti-democratic measures for Trump and the Republicans to gain and keep power. Trump got less votes than Hillary and won only due to the electoral college (not a coincidence that the last Republican before him won his first term due to the electoral college and maybe the Supreme Court), and Republicans in the Senate increased their majority despite getting less votes overall. We actually live in a country where N. Dakota has as many senators as California.
 

Euron

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It's an awful combination of older people growing afraid of a changing world a young people being isolated in hateful echo chambers by feeling like they're falling behind in the changing world.

That basically combines "America First" and Gamergate into one
 

Dyle

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The world is increasingly decentralized making many feel their connection to "their" culture is being erased, forgotten, or deliberately destroyed, so nationalist leaders are more tempting to many than usual.
 

Hassel

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Can you please define Fascism?
I hardly agree that results of democratic voting is fascism.

Whats with kids changing definitions these days to fit narratives of outrage.
 

Spuck-

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Finding myself in the awkward position of agreeing with Crocks for possibly on the only politics thing ever.

Brexit isn't fascism. It might lead to fascism, many of the people who vote for it might harbor fascist tendencies, but the act of leaving the European Union is not an inherently fascist act.


(Also do read/listen to Mark Blyth, he's really good and interesting.)
 
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Bad guys who've been losing long enough jump at any opportunity to exploit racism, xenophobia, etc. to their advantage.
 

daveo42

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It's racism/nationalism in the face of migration from poorer or war-torn portions of the globe. In the United States, it's always been racism, but older white folks finally have a standard barer in Trump to be openly racist. In Europe, the racists are coming out of the woodwork due to a large influx of migrants and immigrants coming into the EU.

Nationalism is a fucking disgusting thing and if left unchecked, will undoubtedly lead to another world war.
 

HyGogg

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It's the same reason flat-earth conspiracies are gaining popularity. The advent of the information age has brought with it the unchecked confirmation bias of search engines and social media's self-selecting communities, and the result is both polarization and pockets of extremism.

We as a species have not really figured out how to cope with unlimited access to massively contradictory amounts of information. For better or worse, we've always been wired for consensus, which allowed for a kind of glacial cultural drift, but now one can simply order consensus for any of one's crazy impulses and likely find enough to build the kind of psychological wall needed to protect otherwise untenable positions.
 

HarshSalad

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It's racism/nationalism in the face of migration from poorer or war-torn portions of the globe. In the United States, it's always been racism, but older white folks finally have a standard barer in Trump to be openly racist. In Europe, the racists are coming out of the woodwork due to a large influx of migrants and immigrants coming into the EU.

Nationalism is a fucking disgusting thing and if left unchecked, will undoubtedly lead to another world war.

I'm in my 20s and fully expect to see a world war in my lifetime.