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"...The environment where PlayStation wins is best for this industry" - was Jack Tretton Right?
- Thread starter Empyrean Cocytus
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No but PS4 in general just doesn't seem to be the best marketplace for those games currently.
Maybe because on Nintendo system other than Nintendo games you have zero competitions and sparse release, maybe. You never had to face the same competition that find Dragon Quest this year, because Switch dont see any AAA games.
I am going to agree with this on two reason and both don't have to do with exclusives.
1. Sony/PlayStation has the biggest foothold globally. Its good for those markets as well as it helps others come into the market as distributors are used to seeing gaming products. It also starts bringing in support (even if paired with a few neighboring regions) which you wouldn't of had before.
2. Sony/PlayStation typically spends the most on marketing out of the big three. Even if you don't own a PlayStation/want one, the more you are aware of video games the better it is for the industry as a whole.
If PlayStation is doing well, the above two reasons should also be doing well.
1. Sony/PlayStation has the biggest foothold globally. Its good for those markets as well as it helps others come into the market as distributors are used to seeing gaming products. It also starts bringing in support (even if paired with a few neighboring regions) which you wouldn't of had before.
2. Sony/PlayStation typically spends the most on marketing out of the big three. Even if you don't own a PlayStation/want one, the more you are aware of video games the better it is for the industry as a whole.
If PlayStation is doing well, the above two reasons should also be doing well.
The best era in gaming for me was last gen when things weren't so lopsided. Snes was also pretty good.. This gen.... It's cool I guess. I wish more big games got to prioritizing mechanics instead of building worlds and telling stories. Sony has a large crop of quality titles that I really could care less about.
The best sony machine for me will still be ps1
The best sony machine for me will still be ps1
On Nintendo systems you have the biggest 1st party games to compete with though, which are the reason people even buy those systems. Also PC.
Based on what most of those devs are saying.
Because it no longer has the new console attach rate.
Big deal.
Edit: also, there is way less competition from AAA third parties on switch than their is PS4.
Because Gen 7 is when they matured as a genre and really started to become great games?
Or do you think the PS4 is responsible for the Battle Royale craze?
Me and you both know most developers aren't saying that, it's also such a flawed way of thinking, not coming out and shouting "our games sell best on PS4" doesn't mean it's not happening.
But it's not happening based on everything we know. If it was, we'd be hearing about it.
I was kidding lol. I thought the alex jones gif was enough of a hint there.
Last gen was definitely the worst for game diversity and quality but I don't think that can be blamed on MS. The HD gen was tough on everyone.
Sounds about right.
Imagine if Microsoft succeeded back when they were going to do the original Xbox One plans and everybody followed suit. I would have stopped buying new games.
Imagine if Microsoft succeeded back when they were going to do the original Xbox One plans and everybody followed suit. I would have stopped buying new games.
I think its prob just me equating a bad gen with the complete coincidence that sony was also doing poorly at the time.
Either way, I'm really happy this gen and haven't had so much good stuff to play since the PS2/Gamecube era.
No, developers are being asked/talk about it more with Switch because it's a new console from Nintendo with a history of questionable third party support/sales, PS4 is a proven success for third parties at this point so there isn't much need for them to talk about it.
Again, this is a flawed thinking, Sony haven't announced Spider-Man numbers aside from the first 3 days so for all we know the game only sold that much and that is it but is that true? No.
Competition is the best thing to happen. If the next Xbox does well, then fully expect an answer to Gamepass that isn't just an overpriced PSNow.
Do you guys think Sony would have allowed downloaded titles if Gamepass wasn't working so damn well?
Mindshare is slowly shifting towards MS's side and Sony realizes that. This year might be a big blow to them if they really don't have much to show, which cancelling E3 is giving the impression of.
Do you guys think Sony would have allowed downloaded titles if Gamepass wasn't working so damn well?
Mindshare is slowly shifting towards MS's side and Sony realizes that. This year might be a big blow to them if they really don't have much to show, which cancelling E3 is giving the impression of.
You've got to assume they're talking about consoles rather than handheld. Because that changes the equation completely.
Sony did shit all for the handheld market.
And its not the same thing unless your release date is the same of big Nintendo games, pretty much nothing this year until late November.
The vita had a great library, as did the psp. Not sure what you mean.
I don't get how some people cite PS having strong sales globally as evidence. If PS is not doing great globally, other platforms will fill the void. It's not like the gaming population will just vanish without Playstation.
And then there's always PC. PC has witnessed all the rise and fall of consoles and it's better than ever. No, the industry will be fine without Sony, or anyone for that matter.
And then there's always PC. PC has witnessed all the rise and fall of consoles and it's better than ever. No, the industry will be fine without Sony, or anyone for that matter.
Devs aren't just being asked, they're self reporting the data and comparisons. And really that's how it started too, to basically everyone's surprise, they're only asked now after the fact because it's the new established trend.
And no, we never heard this amount or degree of positive data upfront for PS4 from indies. This scale is relatively unusual in the console space, even for successful indie platforms like XBLA or PS4.
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Absolutely not; Nintendo make better games, and probably always will.
Sony's demographics are chavs, middle aged straight white men (with kids), and Gary gamers, I don't give a shit if they get neglected; their tastes in games ruin the industry alone.
Sony's demographics are chavs, middle aged straight white men (with kids), and Gary gamers, I don't give a shit if they get neglected; their tastes in games ruin the industry alone.
I think you're thinking of a monopoly, where there is only one market option. By definition, there can ever only be one market leader at a time.
I'm kind of conflicted with this statement. On one hand as much some people like to deny it, the general aura and image of a console influences developers on what games to develope for it. It isn't an coincidence that when Nintendo platforms do well, developers create a bunch of old school type and/or kid friendly games. I couldn't imagine say Epic Mickey for example being greenlit as a Mario 64 styled game if it was intentionally for the Xbox 360.
On the other hand, at the end of the day it isn't the console image that publishers choose what games to put on the platform, but where their market is. And if a certain market heads to a different platform, so will the games.
It was a controversial statement in the first page, but it is true. Since the original PlayStation, highly Japanese centric games thrived on their platforms. With JRPGs, visual novels, SRPGs, 2D fighting games, and just otaku anything selling universally well on PlayStation. In contrast, many of these listed genres would do poorly on other platforms. So many Japanese developers often focused mostly on Sony.
This however has changed in recent years. Developers are now releasing these games on the Switch and Steam as well. The reason being is that these games sell often just as good, or in many cases better on the Switch and PC, than they do on the PS4. The demographics have picked up Nintendo and Steam and it shows.
Or you can look at Western developers and the Switch. For the longest time, Nintendo and "hardcore" M-rated Western games were a match made in hell. Yet today you have studios begging developers like Panic Button to work their wizardy just to get games like Warframe on a portable device.
So he's correct that console makers can influence what games are developed for what platform. But at the end of the day, if a system is successful enough, the market will follow and so will the games.
On the other hand, at the end of the day it isn't the console image that publishers choose what games to put on the platform, but where their market is. And if a certain market heads to a different platform, so will the games.
It was a controversial statement in the first page, but it is true. Since the original PlayStation, highly Japanese centric games thrived on their platforms. With JRPGs, visual novels, SRPGs, 2D fighting games, and just otaku anything selling universally well on PlayStation. In contrast, many of these listed genres would do poorly on other platforms. So many Japanese developers often focused mostly on Sony.
This however has changed in recent years. Developers are now releasing these games on the Switch and Steam as well. The reason being is that these games sell often just as good, or in many cases better on the Switch and PC, than they do on the PS4. The demographics have picked up Nintendo and Steam and it shows.
Or you can look at Western developers and the Switch. For the longest time, Nintendo and "hardcore" M-rated Western games were a match made in hell. Yet today you have studios begging developers like Panic Button to work their wizardy just to get games like Warframe on a portable device.
So he's correct that console makers can influence what games are developed for what platform. But at the end of the day, if a system is successful enough, the market will follow and so will the games.
Except even old 1st party games are still selling crazy amounts every day. Competition isn't just on launch day and AAA games aren't releasing constantly either.
Really the competition (code for starving) arguments went out the window for Switch over a year ago anyway when it started getting 20+ games a week. Launch aligned Switch has far more games than PS4 or Xbox One did (by next year it'll pass Xbox One in total games currently even) and that trend only seems to be accelerating.
Sounds about right. Look at the PS1/PS2/PS4 gens. Microsoft got pretty complacent when they were "winning" with the Xbox 360. MS can outright outspend Sony and Nintendo, so they're at their best when they're lagging behind and trying to catch up.
Sorry I didn't mean it to sound like I was actually criticising the consoles themselves. I mean neither had a lasting impact on handheld gaming. Sony, Microsoft and nintendo both completely changed console gaming when they entered the market. In my opinion (it's bery subjective to be fair) the handheld market didn't really change much when Sony entered, compared to Nintendo and Apple
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(Most Nintendo gamers are middle aged white men too)
I think this is the truth, but I cant imagine this industry without playstation so I'm divided.
Man... I like your "posting style", but this won't cut it :(
EDIT: HOLY HELL! This escalated fast. Thank you for becoming my new personal milkshake duck
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Nintendo won lost gen and it did not help the industry. All major publishers last gen suffered major losses. So no Nintendo doing well like last gen does not help big publishers especially since most of their games can´t even run on the Nintendo hardware.
True but not in the way you think.
The problem is the lack of curation in a huge library of content. This is a problem every digital marketplace has. Switch was making indie games a ton of money because everything was cherry picked and everything was a quality game. But the moment the flood gates open, more and more less quality titles flood the marketplace and the consuner uncertainty of a games quality is now a factor for game sales.
Game companies rely on indies when launching a new console or when big game releases are months apart because they need something to offer during a certain time.
Anytime a big game company is helping a indie company outside that time is when it's a very cool product a game company thinks will resonate and sell well to their audience, or adds a exclusivity to their console that rivals or competes with another consoles high quality game.
I doubt it.
Nintendo had their chance in the Wii era, they didn't care about global market.
Microsoft had their chance in the 360 era, they didn't care about global market.
Only Sony who are willing to penetrate it, and they started it when they're not even at the top. Now that the Switch is on the rise, will Nintendo care? I doubt it.
I vividly remember what they intended to do with second hand games so yeah...
No he's not, Jack Tretton is super arrogant with that statement unlike Shu Yoshida who understands Nintendo role in the market as Nintendo is simply much better at bringing younger and new players and then when they get older they switch over to Sony and then once they get older and have kids they then start to become nostalgic towards Nintendo, something that Nintendo is really good at targeting, so they introduce their kids into Nintendo games and thus the cycle repeats.
Basically Sony has their strength and Nintendo has their strength and their combination just works.
Basically Sony has their strength and Nintendo has their strength and their combination just works.
But those floodgates on Switch already opened over a year ago. And not much has seemed to change, if anything the indie success stories have only risen with the deluge of releases we've gotten. So how do you explain that when this doesn't appear to be the normal or expected cycle you're talking about?
Who do you think will take their place when Nintendo is focusing on handhelds and MS simply doesn't have the reach beyond a few countries? I don't think anyone can claim PlayStation doesn't have the strongest WW reach and they can help the industry the most by having a strong generation, of course that doesn't mean others are failing.
This is exactly correct. If you are over the age of 15, and not directly marketed to by Xbox, you are this demographic.
Meh. PC gaming's insane growth over the last several years has had the biggest effect on the industry. Thanks to it, indie games are thriving, the esports scene has exploded, consumer friendly refunds are gaining traction, and even smaller things like button mapping and other options are being pushed for even on console.