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BREXIT MAFIA PHASE 2 | Border-Line Insanity!
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Under 5 = replacement, over 5, under 10 = warning
New rules that came into play before this game started.
Hold on, let me try something
fanto.......chat
fantochat
chat blah blah blah fanto
I'm at the office and re-reading and typing thoughts as I go (just hit page 5 :-\, probably start skimming soon). I'll answer specific things if you ping while I'm doing that though. Sorry, I'm trying to be thorough but there's a ton of posts to plod through. While we're doing (or were doing, I know I'm late) PIK:
Protect: Gorlak this is kind of a no brainer, I think. Stuart would be an easy choice here for the Faddy kill, but I think in the long run Gorlak
Investigate: LP granted I'm still early in the reread, but early Sophia felt very town to me, and while the triangle between Grizzly, Faddy and Sophia/LP is hard to deny, I also think Sophia/LP could easily have gotten caught in a too-wide net. A quick investigate could answer that question, though I suppose it would depend on LP's clarity going forward. (I know, I know, pot kettle etc. etc.)
Kill: Zeke still my strongest scum contender. Lots of wasted posts early, Fanto read fluff middle, wishy washy throwing shade on both sides of an issue (see: Kalor vote), etc. I'm building that case as I go through the reread.
Protect: Gorlak this is kind of a no brainer, I think. Stuart would be an easy choice here for the Faddy kill, but I think in the long run Gorlak
Investigate: LP granted I'm still early in the reread, but early Sophia felt very town to me, and while the triangle between Grizzly, Faddy and Sophia/LP is hard to deny, I also think Sophia/LP could easily have gotten caught in a too-wide net. A quick investigate could answer that question, though I suppose it would depend on LP's clarity going forward. (I know, I know, pot kettle etc. etc.)
Kill: Zeke still my strongest scum contender. Lots of wasted posts early, Fanto read fluff middle, wishy washy throwing shade on both sides of an issue (see: Kalor vote), etc. I'm building that case as I go through the reread.
Malus was my original choice for "Investigate". B-Dubs's interactions with Fantos were really kind of shady imo, but I can't hold that against Malus who has been a stronger town read. I realize B-Dubs was really busy at the start of the game and subbed out because of that, a feeling I can certainly empathize with, but I think it would certainly be worth a PR's attention.
I'd rather have no posts than useless space filling posts like this that make it hard to reread or catch up. I've said this in at least three games now.
LP seems like sort of a shakey lynch. My view is considerably improved of her after Gorlak's point about her questioning of Faddy, as well as her desire to solve Stuart vs Faddy. There is enough against her that I can see why people want to lynch her though.
Turmoil, Melon, z-beat all seem like good lynches to me. I need to read up more on Z-beat and Malus, they are kind of coming up null for me, except I think I remember Z-beat being sheepish in voting.
Turmoil, Melon, z-beat all seem like good lynches to me. I need to read up more on Z-beat and Malus, they are kind of coming up null for me, except I think I remember Z-beat being sheepish in voting.
You know im down for a melon lynch.
Sophia - yep, flip will be interesting.
absolutbro
Both sides issue - I see nothing scummy about trying to see both sides of an issue
Kalor - I assume you mean me questioning him about not being more active with his power use. That was a valid question I had for him. CS went way harder in that direction too. Once i figured it was a one shot cop type thing, yea I didnt want to waste it on GP. I wanted it on Stu.
Fanto Chat - Nothing to really discuss it seems. You don't believe there is a chat is all. Nothing I can do about that
Stuart444 are you actually scumreading sophia? I ask because it seems like you are kinda wishy washy on it. Feels like you are trying to fall back on this being Grizzly's read and being an info lynch more than anything.
Yup. I also don't like how busywork she was after Kalor's claim as I pointed out.
LP also doesn't inspire confidence, AT ALL.
Not wishy washy on it though. If I was, I'd be willing to switch off LP. Which I'm not. Going to keep on pushing it.
Was just checking, was kinda feeling like you were going thru the motions and angling for an out if town is flipped. Seems like you lack the "oomph" you showed when going after me and faddy.
But tbf it takes two to tango.
Just know this
When I meant wishy washy, I wasnt talking about you unvoting sophia.
I meant wishy washy as in is it because of you following Grizzly's reads/ just a pure info lynch or you actually scumread her.
Wishy Washy to me implies I can be persuaded easily off of the lynch.
I feel an info lynch, especially when we're in such a good position isn't a bad idea. As for following Grizzly's reads, it's more following the idea that he was killed for those reads..
All of that is supplemental though to the way Sophia was before she left and the way LP is now. I don't think anyone can argue that LP is helpful to town in any way.
Worst case scenario, LP is town
Best case scenario, low coasting activity scum is dead.
There is merit to lynching LP right now.
At work, on machine time, reads as best I can. I'm skimming through the entire thread with fresh eyes, so some of this will be a retread and some of this is with the benefit of hindsight.
Giant Panda - confirmed town. not spending any more time here
turmoil7 - Calls out two prod voters (Faddy and Grizzly) and lands on Faddy. Could be an early scum on scum vote since there's not much behind it. As gir points out in 304, his early unvote leaves Faddy in the lead early on. It's no unusual for early leads to just coast to lynches, so it's a (slightly) risky move if scum. Faddy does throw some early shade his way which doesn't read as scum on scum. Post 498 (still D1) is really weird. Lists ET as top scum, but is "uncomfortable voting for ET or any lower activity players". Votes Sophia for unclear reasons. Because Sophia didn't vote nin?
Sophia/Lone_Prodigy - page 3 has both Sophia and ET (known scum) shouting down on nin's claim. I don't think two scum go after the same topic at the same time, especially talking down an actual game related conversation topic, no matter how thin. This oddly makes me lean more town on early Sophia.
Stuart444 - lots going on. early pushing, early questions, what I expect from stuart, in short.
empressdonna/TheChuggernaut - early donna posts are both-siding topic discussions.
nin - right off the bat Faddy throws shade his way with "nin was scum" references. (posts #131, 140. 163 is a pretty good joke, but still shade of a sort). Replies to the same post multiple times for space filler more than once. (e.g.: posts 204 through 206 are all replies to stuart's post 203). That sort of thing just makes rereads much harder. in the middle 200 post range lots of aggressive(?) discussion surrounding his claim. TV doing the best with what he can? lol "Faddy is my top town atm" (post 329) is a bad look with hindsight.
EzekelRAGE - "Hey guys I'm going to tunnel lol!" Interesting, lol, votes B-Dubs at Gorlak's "request" (which was to Fanto and Faddy). Busy votes and pointless posts through page 5. Post 504 he paints Fantos as "scum reaching" on the b-dubs slip. We've seen weaker slips people, we all have. Throws shade for "bringing attention to PRs", but it was a few small off-hand comments about Zeke's play style, at least one of which was a direct answer to Zeke's own question. Special shout-out to ET defending Zeke in post 555 "his posts lack something, but don't lack substance". "List this group in scum order from most to least scummy" *puts ET at the bottom*. Throws more shade at Fantos and the PR thing. A few posts later he mentions Grizz is his top scum because of "bringing up the shrug thing" but also says "ET using the shrug thing seems like busywork". ET was on the bottom of the list, yet Grizzly/Dub "would be tied" for it? Wut.
Gorlak - first few posts are about scum already in the votes on nin, then calls out and votes for Faddy. Feels pretty town to start.
Alexem -
melonrabbit - not a lot that jumps out besides a lot of other people going "why doesn't melon play like in such-and-such game?"
gir - has a small "would scum really do that" with nin about nin's first post TV claim.
CoolestSpot -
B-Dubs/malus - early joke vote (#170) on Faddy, possibly a cover vote. bunch of early joke posts building on Faddy's "EU vs US" joke even some with ET that fluff out D1. "looked sideways at Fanto" because of the Slip thing, and we know Fanto was town, while throwing shade on previous ScumFantos behaviour. Also handwavy on ET's early behaviour (391). Handwaves and throws noncommittal shade at Faddy in 482, which seems really weak.
DCPat - hit post 599 and realized I wasn't sure what his posts were before that. His answer to Sophia's "top scum/town" was pretty weak, but followed onto the ET suspicions. Has a couple more posts asking questions of Alexem or Gorlak, mostly reactionary.
Z-Beat - early posts are mostly jokey (e.g. 541) Doesn't really answer a direct question in 672 about the votes on Gorlak. Mostly details what happened rather than giving his own thoughts.
absolutbro - me, total slacker
alright I changed it up a bit and this is thoughts through page 7. I'm going to have to skim if I want to be able to work and still get to actual current issues.
Giant Panda - confirmed town. not spending any more time here
turmoil7 - Calls out two prod voters (Faddy and Grizzly) and lands on Faddy. Could be an early scum on scum vote since there's not much behind it. As gir points out in 304, his early unvote leaves Faddy in the lead early on. It's no unusual for early leads to just coast to lynches, so it's a (slightly) risky move if scum. Faddy does throw some early shade his way which doesn't read as scum on scum. Post 498 (still D1) is really weird. Lists ET as top scum, but is "uncomfortable voting for ET or any lower activity players". Votes Sophia for unclear reasons. Because Sophia didn't vote nin?
Sophia/Lone_Prodigy - page 3 has both Sophia and ET (known scum) shouting down on nin's claim. I don't think two scum go after the same topic at the same time, especially talking down an actual game related conversation topic, no matter how thin. This oddly makes me lean more town on early Sophia.
Stuart444 - lots going on. early pushing, early questions, what I expect from stuart, in short.
empressdonna/TheChuggernaut - early donna posts are both-siding topic discussions.
nin - right off the bat Faddy throws shade his way with "nin was scum" references. (posts #131, 140. 163 is a pretty good joke, but still shade of a sort). Replies to the same post multiple times for space filler more than once. (e.g.: posts 204 through 206 are all replies to stuart's post 203). That sort of thing just makes rereads much harder. in the middle 200 post range lots of aggressive(?) discussion surrounding his claim. TV doing the best with what he can? lol "Faddy is my top town atm" (post 329) is a bad look with hindsight.
EzekelRAGE - "Hey guys I'm going to tunnel lol!" Interesting, lol, votes B-Dubs at Gorlak's "request" (which was to Fanto and Faddy). Busy votes and pointless posts through page 5. Post 504 he paints Fantos as "scum reaching" on the b-dubs slip. We've seen weaker slips people, we all have. Throws shade for "bringing attention to PRs", but it was a few small off-hand comments about Zeke's play style, at least one of which was a direct answer to Zeke's own question. Special shout-out to ET defending Zeke in post 555 "his posts lack something, but don't lack substance". "List this group in scum order from most to least scummy" *puts ET at the bottom*. Throws more shade at Fantos and the PR thing. A few posts later he mentions Grizz is his top scum because of "bringing up the shrug thing" but also says "ET using the shrug thing seems like busywork". ET was on the bottom of the list, yet Grizzly/Dub "would be tied" for it? Wut.
Gorlak - first few posts are about scum already in the votes on nin, then calls out and votes for Faddy. Feels pretty town to start.
Alexem -
melonrabbit - not a lot that jumps out besides a lot of other people going "why doesn't melon play like in such-and-such game?"
gir - has a small "would scum really do that" with nin about nin's first post TV claim.
CoolestSpot -
B-Dubs/malus - early joke vote (#170) on Faddy, possibly a cover vote. bunch of early joke posts building on Faddy's "EU vs US" joke even some with ET that fluff out D1. "looked sideways at Fanto" because of the Slip thing, and we know Fanto was town, while throwing shade on previous ScumFantos behaviour. Also handwavy on ET's early behaviour (391). Handwaves and throws noncommittal shade at Faddy in 482, which seems really weak.
DCPat - hit post 599 and realized I wasn't sure what his posts were before that. His answer to Sophia's "top scum/town" was pretty weak, but followed onto the ET suspicions. Has a couple more posts asking questions of Alexem or Gorlak, mostly reactionary.
Z-Beat - early posts are mostly jokey (e.g. 541) Doesn't really answer a direct question in 672 about the votes on Gorlak. Mostly details what happened rather than giving his own thoughts.
absolutbro - me, total slacker
alright I changed it up a bit and this is thoughts through page 7. I'm going to have to skim if I want to be able to work and still get to actual current issues.
Uhm, I clarified what I meant about wishy washy. No need for you to say you thought it meant voting wise.
I know you clarified and I clarified how I take it. That way there can be no confusion
*shrugs* ;)
Kill strong player fingering scum-> go after scum.
Leave strong player fingering scum alive-> go after scum.
To be clear: I agree with you that we need to get rid of coasting players. I mean just look at our last game where we basically coasted to victory. I'm just not comfortable voting for your chosen targets because I don't really trust you to not be scum yourself.
How you took it was already clarified by you when you said, " If I was wishy washy.....I'd be willing to vote". Which let me know that I needed to clarify what I meant by the wishy washy part.
*truffleshuffle*
Bdubs vote - I didnt vote at Gor's request.
Fanto - Yea, implying I have a PR, im gonna call that out.
ET Defense of my posts - Laughable
Between me and melon, why would I be the "info" lynch instead of melon? You can't get a handle on melon and town read me.
Somehow I missed this entirely. Zeke is claiming he and Fantomas were alone in a chat created by a third party.
A gossip that doesn't even join in their own chat. This is a thing we're expected to believe.
Right now I'd probably go for Z-Beat. I was very skeptical of absolutbro, but the nin vote kind of made me vary to vote there. L_P seems to be the popular choice at the moment, but I don't really scum read Sophia that much.
Could be a thing. Especially if it's a Scum Gossip.
They would be able to spy on two towns talking amongst each other without having to put themselves out there/showing that they are there.
If it was a Town gossip, I'd expect them to be involved in the chat themselves but I see Utility in a Gossip power from the scum side of things if they can see but can't participate in the chat.
Which is why Ive been goin off that it was
-- A scum power
-- One shot
Ignoring Sophia. do you see a reason to keep LP around at this point when we're in a good position to go after lynches without worry about MyLo/LyLo.
1: Your vote directly responded to Gorlak's plan to pressure B-Dubs.
2: You helped along the conversation before calling it out. If you had just called him out it would be one thing, but you didn't. You engaged in the conversation, then threw shade for there being a conversation.
3: I was laughing, yes.
1. If you continue reading, you will see that I misread what Gorlak's intention was.
2. Yea I wanted to see if the power was town aligned both times he saw it. If he saw it once as town and once as scum, then I wouldve saw it in a better light. But both were town prs? Yea, im calling it out.
I mean, after TMBG with a Godfather and no alignment cop I suppose anything can be a power. I don't believe it, but I admit it is technically a possibility.
Or: you're the scum gossip that chose one of the most town read players from D1 to be able to take their reads, use them as your own for at least a day and then if/when you never use your power again claim they're doing it to frame you.
Sounds crazy, I realize. But no less than "one shot scum gossip that doesn't view their own chat", to me.
I'm still hoping he will wake up and post some more, but if he stays absent for the rest of the day he is indeed dead weight to us.
You know what since majority is 9, L_P isn't really in danger of being turboed so I might as well place my vote on him until he shows up.
vote: Lone_Prodigy
btw as I'm in the office today I will almost certainly not be around for EoD. I'll have spotty mobile reception on the train until ~EoD - 40 min. (1620 EST)
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start
lone_prodigy (5 votes)
stuart444 - #3154
coolestspot - #3198
thechuggernaut - #3199
gir - #3340
malus - #3531
turmoil7 (2 votes)
gorlak - #3269
giant panda - #3347
ezekelrage (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #3286
nin (1 votes)
turmoil7 - #3335
melonrabbit (1 votes)
ezekelrage - #3281
Post Counts:
stuart444: 79 ezekelrage: 74 gorlak: 48 melonrabbit: 28 thechuggernaut: 23 alexem: 20 nin: 17 dcpat: 14 malus: 14 turmoil7: 13 absolutbro: 10 coolestspot: 9 giant panda: 8 z-beat: 8 lone_prodigy: 7 gir: 7 cabot: 2
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Day Start
lone_prodigy (5 votes)
stuart444 - #3154
coolestspot - #3198
thechuggernaut - #3199
gir - #3340
malus - #3531
turmoil7 (2 votes)
gorlak - #3269
giant panda - #3347
ezekelrage (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #3286
nin (1 votes)
turmoil7 - #3335
melonrabbit (1 votes)
ezekelrage - #3281
Post Counts:
stuart444: 79 ezekelrage: 74 gorlak: 48 melonrabbit: 28 thechuggernaut: 23 alexem: 20 nin: 17 dcpat: 14 malus: 14 turmoil7: 13 absolutbro: 10 coolestspot: 9 giant panda: 8 z-beat: 8 lone_prodigy: 7 gir: 7 cabot: 2
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technically he has shown up.
He's just not done much. Tries to downplay Grizzly's read (which included Sophia as scum), some snark directed at me and Gorlak (?) and said we shouldn't be lynching for info and that there is a case to be built but hasn't really tried to build a case despite saying that.
If im the scum gossip, why would I waste the power on someone townread anyway? I wouldve just killed him anyway and used the power on someone else.
---Which is why I think the reads is what got fanto killed
---I wouldnt be suprised if Melon was the scum chat creator
If im scum gossip, I have no reason to even mention the chat in the first place. Only me and a dead person knows it existed.
What are you talking about? The scum gossip can view their own chat.
Why wouldnt the gossip be able to view their own chat? One thing I did toy with is that the scum gossip was in the chat, they just decided not to post.
I'll be leaving the office shortly, so depending on the count, I'll vote when I'm back at home. Again, I'm wary of voting L_P and putting him in to the turbo position, but I'm also dubious of voting for Turmoil, my preferred alternative, in case he's somehow turned into a wagon for negative purposes. I'm probably being over-cautious there, but better safe than sorry.
I still get a stronger feeling from Turmoil, but I think that if we're going to flip L_P to get the answers on Sophia, now seems like the time to do it - otherwise, this is just going to keep hanging around.
I still get a stronger feeling from Turmoil, but I think that if we're going to flip L_P to get the answers on Sophia, now seems like the time to do it - otherwise, this is just going to keep hanging around.
OP
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If Turmoil is town, he's more useful to town alive than LP if LP is town.
Though I think LP is scum but it's something to think about and I would say he should be lynched.
Going back to D1:
This is actually the last vote for ET. With 30 minutes left, it's too early to bus, but at the same time ET has built up a multi-vote lead on CS so DC may have tried to get in early to look better when the flip happens.
Scum Faddy comes in to. defend ET even though he had the first vote on him.
melon then votes CS, and nin votes CS as well. And then the thread limps to day end with scum ET lynched.
So what happened? Scum could've saved ET if they switched over (or forced a tie). Faddy didn't; I guess he thought the optics would look bad. No one else did, so is that because a) scum was already on CS or b) scum wasn't around or c) scum didn't want to look bad switching?
Option a) Scum on CS
Chugg, GP, Stu, Z-Beat, Me, AB, melon, nin.
GP is green checked. Stu gets points for getting Faddy. I'm town. That leaves Chugg, Z, AB, melon, and nin.
melon and nin, they came in when it was 9-6. Are they town trying to make the vote interesting, or scum with a last-ditch save? I'm thinking that they voted early enough to make it close and entice a townie to switch. So that cancels melon's D3 vote (making her neutral on the town/scum scale) and makes nin look bad.
Chugg had a vote for Faddy D3 so that's town points there. Z had that B2B vote with melon (which IMO is coincidental) but I think that vote was a bus. AB's looks like a bus as well. That said, I wouldn't put Z and AB together.
Conclusion: nin and AB/Z are scum on the CS vote.
Option b) Scum MIA
ET wasn't around. Faddy was on ET. Looking at who posted near day end is disingenuous, so we can look at off-wagon/no votes since they could've affected the outcome:
Zeke on B-dubs
Gorlak on Grizzly
No vote: ET, Grizzly
Grizzly is dead. Zeke and Gorlak voted pretty early, so even if they weren't around when the wagons formed, it was an easy way to park a vote. Definitely some side-eye there.
Conclusion: Zeke and Gorlak look slightly bad, mitigated by their absence at day end and it being D1.
Option c) Scum bussed, didn't want to switch
Faddy, Fanto, Turmoil, B-dubs, Gir, Alexem, Kalor, CS, DC
Faddy is scum, Fanto and Kalor and dead, CS gets a lot of town cred as the competing wagon with scum.
Who's left: Turmoil, B-dubs, Gir, Alexem, DC
Turmoil: gets points for voting scum, but recent play requires a more thorough re-read.
B-dubs: no read, but voted Faddy D3
Gir: no read, but voted Faddy D3
Alexem: competing wagon on D3 so likely town.
DC: vote on Alexem D3 looks bad.
TL;DR:
Scum: nin, AB or Z-Beat
Might be scum: DC, Gorlak, Zeke, Turmoil
On the fence: melon
Probably town: Chugg, Gir, malus, Alex
Recommended by 4/5 townies: Stu, GP, CS
This is actually the last vote for ET. With 30 minutes left, it's too early to bus, but at the same time ET has built up a multi-vote lead on CS so DC may have tried to get in early to look better when the flip happens.
Scum Faddy comes in to. defend ET even though he had the first vote on him.
melon then votes CS, and nin votes CS as well. And then the thread limps to day end with scum ET lynched.
So what happened? Scum could've saved ET if they switched over (or forced a tie). Faddy didn't; I guess he thought the optics would look bad. No one else did, so is that because a) scum was already on CS or b) scum wasn't around or c) scum didn't want to look bad switching?
Option a) Scum on CS
Chugg, GP, Stu, Z-Beat, Me, AB, melon, nin.
GP is green checked. Stu gets points for getting Faddy. I'm town. That leaves Chugg, Z, AB, melon, and nin.
melon and nin, they came in when it was 9-6. Are they town trying to make the vote interesting, or scum with a last-ditch save? I'm thinking that they voted early enough to make it close and entice a townie to switch. So that cancels melon's D3 vote (making her neutral on the town/scum scale) and makes nin look bad.
Chugg had a vote for Faddy D3 so that's town points there. Z had that B2B vote with melon (which IMO is coincidental) but I think that vote was a bus. AB's looks like a bus as well. That said, I wouldn't put Z and AB together.
Conclusion: nin and AB/Z are scum on the CS vote.
Option b) Scum MIA
ET wasn't around. Faddy was on ET. Looking at who posted near day end is disingenuous, so we can look at off-wagon/no votes since they could've affected the outcome:
Zeke on B-dubs
Gorlak on Grizzly
No vote: ET, Grizzly
Grizzly is dead. Zeke and Gorlak voted pretty early, so even if they weren't around when the wagons formed, it was an easy way to park a vote. Definitely some side-eye there.
Conclusion: Zeke and Gorlak look slightly bad, mitigated by their absence at day end and it being D1.
Option c) Scum bussed, didn't want to switch
Faddy, Fanto, Turmoil, B-dubs, Gir, Alexem, Kalor, CS, DC
Faddy is scum, Fanto and Kalor and dead, CS gets a lot of town cred as the competing wagon with scum.
Who's left: Turmoil, B-dubs, Gir, Alexem, DC
Turmoil: gets points for voting scum, but recent play requires a more thorough re-read.
B-dubs: no read, but voted Faddy D3
Gir: no read, but voted Faddy D3
Alexem: competing wagon on D3 so likely town.
DC: vote on Alexem D3 looks bad.
TL;DR:
Scum: nin, AB or Z-Beat
Might be scum: DC, Gorlak, Zeke, Turmoil
On the fence: melon
Probably town: Chugg, Gir, malus, Alex
Recommended by 4/5 townies: Stu, GP, CS