Jump Force - Ruroni Kenshin Trailer

Popetita · Nov 27, 2018

Frecklestein said:
Or you can just put me on ignore and continue to live in a bubble where you don't acknowledge your favorite character was created by a pedophile. Who cares about all the children that were harmed by his actions though, right? It's getting in the way of your entertainment.

You can stay away from the thread you know? Not come in and totally derail it. I am sure we all hate pedophile but we can separate art from the character which did not in any way embody being a pedophile I think.

And you are shitting on the development team of Jump Force, not the creator of Kenshin.

Deleted member 14377 · Nov 27, 2018

Crazy Izanagi said:
See I honestly kinda agree with this.

If it was referring to just watching Ruroni Kenshin. Actually giving the guy more promotion and money after all this(and suffering very little consequences for the crime from my understanding.)

Yeah that's a much tougher pill to swallow.

I just don't get how someone, knowing what this person did, can take in their creation knowing what else those hands have done and where that mind has went. It's disgusting.

Popetita · Nov 27, 2018

Frecklestein said:
"Hey, this guy is a pedophile. Should we reach out and work together to incorporate their work?"

"Sure! I don't see anything morally wrong with that! We're working with the artist version of the creator, not the pedophile version!"

I've said this before in threads like this, and I'll say it again. Some of ya'll need some priorities in life, cause this is fucked up. This is a video game. A cartoon character. REAL LIFE CHILDREN WERE HARMED BY THIS MAN. Do you think their victims can separate the art from the artist? Get some fucking perspective.

Where real life children harmed by the development team of Jump Force who decided to include Kenshin because he is a staple of the magazine?

Separate the work from the art and don't be a hypocrite. I am sure you support the work of much more horrible men.

Stop shitting on others work like for real or stay away from this thread.

Deleted member 14377 · Nov 27, 2018

Popetita said:
You can stay away from the thread you know? Not come in and totally derail it. I am sure we all hate pedophile but we can separate art from the character which did not in any way embody being a pedophile I think.

And you are shitting on the development team of Jump Force, not the creator of Kenshin.

I'm shitting on both. I'm shitting on a pedophile and I'm shitting on people who agreed to work with one.

PMS341 · Nov 27, 2018

Blackleg-sanji1 said:
I know it was terrible sarcasm. Every thread for this game since this character was announced has been the same thing

Maybe we should stop having threads about characters created by a pedophile.

Driggonny said:
I can understand separating art from the artist to an extent, but I would think being a pedophile that actively consumed child porn would maybe kinda sorta be a bridge too far.

Separating art from the artist isn't a real thing. The artist creates art, it is literally their output based on their feelings, ideas, and subconscious. A bridge too far is putting it lightly.

Mik317 · Nov 27, 2018

he got his cut already guys so not buying it doesn't really punish him.
also you might as well not buy any shonen jump products if that's the case as the money might touch his dirty hands

IgnotumCL · Nov 27, 2018

Guys, I didn't even knew. This is a trailer for a character and manga series that I loved to watch when was a teenager.

andymcc · Nov 27, 2018

Zing said:
Some of us would like to discuss games without an army of derailing junk. There was already one thread ruined. Take it to OT and rehash to your hearts content.

Lock this thread, repost with mod warning at the top, and let people enjoy being excited about one of their favourite characters making a modern appearance.

"Mod Post: Please do not discuss the pedophile that created the series in which these characters come from. His pedophilia has nothing to do with the topic at hand even though he gets money if you buy this game"

TheMrPliskin · Nov 27, 2018

Popetita said:
You can stay away from the thread you know? Not come in and totally derail it. I am sure we all hate pedophile but we can separate art from the character which did not in any way embody being a pedophile I think.

And you are shitting on the development team of Jump Force, not the creator of Kenshin.

Maybe they shouldn't have associated their game with a pedophile then.

TelluricTokoro · Nov 27, 2018

Oh look, folks who were never going to buy the game in the first place chime in to tell us they're DEFINITELY not buying it now because Kenshin is in it, like he wasn't in the last game.

Y'all silly.

Edit: Y'all niggas knew he'd be in it, why do this song and dance now?

Gold Arsene · Nov 27, 2018

Popetita said:
Can't we separate the art from the creator? You do for many other things.

You can either not want to buy it because of a stance or yes. But to come into the thread to shit on the game because the creator is a piece of shit is not cool.

You are thrashing the work of the devs not the creator of Kenshin.

Is Jump Force developed and published by Watsuki?

Then why shit on them for including a beloved anime character in their Shonen game?

WTF

I'm normally one for putting the artist work above their personal faults.

But this isn't someone being a douchebag off stage or having questionable political opinions, real people were hurt here.

The developers of this game know this and still choose to promote this story and give him more exposure and profit.

I don't blame anyone for taking issue with this and it's honestly making me second guess getting this new.

Popetita · Nov 27, 2018

Frecklestein said:
I'm shitting on both. I'm shitting on a pedophile and I'm shitting on people who agreed to work with one.

Did they agree to work with him or just use the character?

Please show me some proof or stay out on the thread about JUMP FORCE not Kenshin.

WTF man, can't you see you are derailing the thread. Can't the mods stop this shit? Make a separate one to discuss this.I am 100% sure we do not like pedophiles but this one is not it IMO.

Deleted member 10629 · Nov 27, 2018

Mik317 said:
he got his cut already guys so not buying it doesn't really punish him.

also you might as well not buy any shonen jump products if that's the case as the money might touch his dirty hands

By buying it, you are creating demand (like when he bought his CP)

KtotheRoc · Nov 27, 2018

IgnotumCL said:
Guys, I didn't even knew. This is a trailer for a character and manga series that I loved to watch when was a teenager.

It's okay that you didn't know. Nobody is blaming you.

Hercule · Nov 27, 2018

TheMrPliskin said:
Maybe they shouldn't have associated their game with a pedophile then.

Kenshin is still one the best selling Manga in Japan. The new stuff is extremely popular. Not having Kenshin was never going to happen.

Deleted member 14377 · Nov 27, 2018

Popetita said:
Where real life children harmed by the development team of Jump Force who decided to include Kenshin because he is a staple of the magazine?

Separate the work from the art and don't be a hypocrite. I am sure you support the work of much more horrible men.

Stop shitting on others work like for real or stay away from this thread.

No, but supporting a man who has harmed these children and is not exactly a hidden secret to the world is quite equally disgusting.

And no, just because you OPENLY support a pedophile, doesn't mean I do. Don't you dare make assumptions about me and how I choose to intake any form of media.

The Adder · Nov 27, 2018

GayAnimeDad said:
Preemptive "its okay to like art and hate the artist" post

"Time to put more money in a pedophile's pocket."

Punpun · Nov 27, 2018

Nice, still really love Kenshin. Shishio as well, looks great.

PSqueak · Nov 27, 2018

yuoke said:
But in this case it's actively giving money to a monster.

Buy it used.

If the copy made it to the store, this asshole already got paid, so buy it used so you copy of the game doesn't count towards the total sales of the game impacting the possibility of getting these characters back in a hypothetical sequel.

boontobias · Nov 27, 2018

His sentence was bullshit, but he was punished by the law and courts of Japan. So I'm fine with Ricearoni Kenshin still being around

andymcc · Nov 27, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
Oh look, folks who were never going to buy the game in the first place chime in to tell us they're DEFINITELY not buying it now because Kenshin is in it, like he wasn't in the last game.

Y'all silly.

Edit: Y'all niggas knew he'd be in it, why do this song and dance now?

I bought J-Stars in 2014 and Watsuki was charged in 2017. what's your point here?

Blackleg-sanji1 · Nov 27, 2018

Insults assumptions and just all around a bad time welp. This is another game you can cross off the reset era list of being able to talk about and no it has nothing to do with the trailer being focused on that character it's been like this since they were announced

Popetita · Nov 27, 2018

Crazy Izanagi said:
I'm normally one for putting the artist work above their personal faults.

But this isn't someone being a douchebag off stage or having questionable political opinions, real people were hurt here.

The developers of this game know this and still choose to promote this story and give him more exposure and profit.

I don't blame anyone for taking issue with this and it's honestly making me second guess getting this new.

The developers of this game were probably told to include Kenshin because he is a staple of Shonen and the character of Kenshin does not embody the

I do not blame anyone for the issue, but this is not the place to derail a thread about the game because the author of the character is an asshole.

Make another thread and we can all discuss the validity of that, but that is not for this discussion of the trailer.

Deleted member 14377 · Nov 27, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
Oh look, folks who were never going to buy the game in the first place chime in to tell us they're DEFINITELY not buying it now because Kenshin is in it, like he wasn't in the last game.

Y'all silly.

Edit: Y'all niggas knew he'd be in it, why do this song and dance now?

Was he ousted for being a pedophile when the last game was out?

Popetita said:
Did they agree to work with him or just use the character?

Please show me some proof or stay out on the thread about JUMP FORCE not Kenshin.

WTF man, can't you see you are derailing the thread. Can't the mods stop this shit? Make a separate one to discuss this.I am 100% sure we do not like pedophiles but this one is not it IMO.

Please, report me. Let's see how that plays out.

Gold Arsene · Nov 27, 2018

Frecklestein said:
I just don't get how someone, knowing what this person did, can take in their creation knowing what else those hands have done and where that mind has went. It's disgusting.

I can understand that.

Watching something like Naked Gun or anything from Bill Cosby is a lot harder for me now.

I think it just comes down to the individual what they accept. I also don't think it hurts if the person doesn't receive compensation anymore.

It's giving them further profit after knowing what they've done that makes me hesitate.

Mik317 · Nov 27, 2018

PSqueak said:
Buy it used.

If the copy made it to the store, this asshole already got paid, so buy it used so you copy of the game doesn't count towards the total sales of the game impacting the possibility of getting these characters back in a hypothetical sequel.

or they just don't make a sequel at all.

You really think that they'd go "wow this game bombed....must be because that guy is pedo".

and again he already has his cut of the pie.

Deleted member 5535 · Nov 27, 2018

Mik317 said:
he got his cut already guys so not buying it doesn't really punish him.

also you might as well not buy any shonen jump products if that's the case as the money might touch his dirty hands

Well, you're not wrong in those two points. Might as well don't buy any Shueisha property be it manga or licenses in merchandise like the games, for example FighterZ.

Karasseram · Nov 27, 2018

Blackleg-sanji1 said:
Insults assumptions and just all around a bad time welp. This is another game you can cross off the reset era list of being able to talk about and no it has nothing to do with the trailer being focused on that character it's been like this since they were announced

Oh poor you! I'm sure you have it so much worse than the children who where sexually exploited in the childporn he used his money to buy.

I also love how people ignore that royalties is a thing to say but he's not getting any more money!!!111

andymcc · Nov 27, 2018

Frecklestein said:
Was he ousted for being a pedophile when the last game was out?

well before.

Deleted member 5535 · Nov 27, 2018

Mik317 said:
or they just don't make a sequel at all.

You really think that they'd go "wow this game bombed....must be because that guy is pedo".

and again he already has his cut of the pie.

A sequel won't happen anyway for quite some time, this is a commemorative game after all for the 50 years of WSJ. A next one is probably coming in 5 or 10 years for the 55/60 years of the magazine.

Blackleg-sanji1 · Nov 27, 2018

Karasseram said:
Oh poor you! I'm sure you have it so much worse than the children who where sexually exploited in the childporn he used his money to buy.

I've actually said my piece on the topic when it was created so before you assume you know someone take a look in the mirror thx

Popetita · Nov 27, 2018

Frecklestein said:
No, but supporting a man who has harmed these children and is not exactly a hidden secret to the world is quite equally disgusting.

And no, just because you OPENLY support a pedophile, doesn't mean I do. Don't you dare make assumptions about me and how I choose to intake any form of media.

Oh for fucks sake I NEVER said I openly support a pedopile. What in the flying fuck of a conclusion is that to reach? Prove to me where I ever said I openly support pedophiles? Please quote it.

I am out this thread is a shit show.

Stop making assumptions just because I want to stay on topic and can divorce the art from the asshole.

TelluricTokoro · Nov 27, 2018

andymcc said:
I bought J-Stars in 2014 and Watsuki was charged in 2017. what's your point here?

And the game comes out in 2019 and you knew Kenshin was gonna be in it.

If you knew you weren't buying it, why you in here? There was 0 chance Kenshin wasn't going to be in the sequel, so what's YOUR point here?

Harry Potter Obama · Nov 27, 2018

Frecklestein said:
I just don't get how someone, knowing what this person did, can take in their creation knowing what else those hands have done and where that mind has went. It's disgusting.

Probably the same way people can enjoy Mickey Mouse knowing Walt was a nazi, or listen to Michael Jackson (and seemingly David Bowie? Haven't read that thread yet), or watch stuff with Bill Cosby in it. Separating the creator from the creation.

Deleted member 14377 · Nov 27, 2018

Crazy Izanagi said:
I can understand that.

Watching something like Naked Gun or anything from Bill Cosby is a lot harder for me now.

I think it just comes down to the individual what they accept. I also don't think it hurts if the person doesn't receive compensation anymore.

It's giving them further profit after knowing what they've done that makes me hesitate.

Like, it's one thing just being an asshole. But as long as you're not racist, homophobic, sexist, a pedophile, (the list goes on). Then yeah, I can easily separate art from the artist. No issue. Even if they were punished like Cosby, I still can't watch anything he's done anymore. To me it's all I can think about now, it's disgusting. Regardless of the fact that he sees any money from whatever re-runs or re-releases or not. You're ruined to me, you may as well not exist.

PSqueak · Nov 27, 2018

Mik317 said:
or they just don't make a sequel at all.

You really think that they'd go "wow this game bombed....must be because that guy is pedo".

and again he already has his cut of the pie.

Even if they were so dense that they wouldn't notice this backlash on a game aimed squaredly at the american audience, making the game bomb would make them refocus with surefire franchises, even if they don't think "shit, the kenshin characters put a dent on our sales" they would think "shit, we over stuffed this with franchises the west doesnt care about, cut off the fat, add more one piece, naruto, dragon ball and get my hero academia in here!"

Deleted member 10629 · Nov 27, 2018

Also, nobody is (or calling for) banning Jump Force discussion here. You are free to do that in the OT I guess, where our 'thread derailing' posts might/can/will be moderated.

But if we have a thread highlighting the creation of very problematic (to say the least) author, then I think is totally fair game to bring those issues to light.

TelluricTokoro · Nov 27, 2018

GayAnimeDad said:
Probably the same way people can enjoy Mickey Mouse knowing Walt was a nazi, or listen to Michael Jackson (and seemingly David Bowie? Haven't read that thread yet), or watch Woody Allen movies. Separating the creator from the creation.

One of these examples is not like the others.

z0m3le · Nov 27, 2018

Frecklestein said:
I just don't get how someone, knowing what this person did, can take in their creation knowing what else those hands have done and where that mind has went. It's disgusting.

Yep, Kenshin up to a few moments ago, was a series I loved. Just found out, through this thread, what the creator did. I finished the series long ago and now will never go back to it or point anyone else to it.

Mik317 · Nov 27, 2018

Frecklestein said:
Like, it's one thing just being an asshole. But as long as you're not racist, homophobic, sexist, a pedophile, (the list goes on). Then yeah, I can easily separate art from the artist. No issue. Even if they were punished like Cosby, I still can't watch anything he's done anymore. To me it's all I can think about now, it's disgusting. Regardless of the fact that he sees any money from whatever re-runs or re-releases or not. You're ruined to me, you may as well not exist.

Then I hope you watch no Disney stuff. Also make sure to vet all of your music choices.

The Adder · Nov 27, 2018

Blackleg-sanji1 said:
I've actually said my piece on the topic when it was created so before you assume you know someone take a look in the mirror thx

Nah, bruh. You're in here whining because people actually have the decency to not let go of the fact the makers of this game thought it a-okay to incorporate and promote an actively child exploiting pedophile's work.

Get some fucking perspective. Talking about this game isn't more important than that. It's just flat out not. I'm sure there are plenty of other dark allies and shithole websites you can run off to if your soul burns so much to talk about the game without being reminded that it's actively contributing to the well being of a man who owned a massive collection of actual child pornography.

You don't get to be self-righteous about that.

Deleted member 14377 · Nov 27, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
And the game comes out in 2019 and you knew Kenshin was gonna be in it.

If you knew you weren't buying it, why you in here? There was 0 chance Kenshin wasn't going to be in the sequel, so what's YOUR point here?

There are a few people that don't know what the creator did. What's wrong with educating them? I'm not buying it for that reason, that's for damn sure. And I don't feel comfortable posting on the site that openly allows promotion of material created by a convicted pedophile. Not to knock OP cause they themselves didn't know.

Was it wrong of people to assume that they wouldn't include the work of a pedophile included in this iteration of a JUMP game? It's like expecting WWE to still include Chris Benoit in wrestling games, or still promote his work, even though he's a murderer.

B4mv · Nov 27, 2018

Great. this thread taught me that I don't like Ruroni Kenshin anymore.
Why do people need to fucking suck.

Hyun Sai · Nov 27, 2018

Mik317 said:
also you might as well not buy any shonen jump products if that's the case as the money might touch his dirty hands

Assuming the majority of people here buy the shonen jump mangas they read :P

Deleted member 10629 · Nov 27, 2018

Mik317 said:
Then I hope you watch no Disney stuff. Also make sure to vet all of your music choices.

Again with this shit.

andymcc · Nov 27, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
And the game comes out in 2019 and you knew Kenshin was gonna be in it.

If you knew you weren't buying it, why you in here? There was 0 chance Kenshin wasn't going to be in the sequel, so what's YOUR point here?

lots of people (like OP) weren't even aware of the fact....

BlkSquirtle · Nov 27, 2018

LossAversion said:
Regarding the game itself, the battle damage looks really good and I hope it applies to every character in the game.

This is the part of the trailer that took me from never to maybe. I had no idea battle damage was in the game...I might go ahead and get this for me and my gf to play since she loves jump characters.

Harry Potter Obama · Nov 27, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
One of these examples is not like the others.

Yeah, i guess. Changed it.

TheMrPliskin · Nov 27, 2018

Hercule said:
Kenshin is still one the best selling Manga in Japan. The new stuff is extremely popular. Not having Kenshin was never going to happen.

It's popularity is irrelevant, they still made the choice to associate with a product created by a paedophile. It's not like they're forced to put in every thing that has ever been popular in SJ.

ResetGreyWolf · Nov 27, 2018

TelluricTokoro said:
Edit: Y'all niggas knew he'd be in it, why do this song and dance now?

Please don't assume that everyone on ResetEra knows about every character that's going to be in Jump Force or know about the character's creator.

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