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China Uncensored: Why US Companies Are Leaving China
- Thread starter Candescence
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lmao where are you pulling this from dude. you're positing that the number of Falun Gong practitioners was so vast that it intimidated the rule of the CPC such that their subsequent treatment of FG was justified? you're seriously suggesting that Falun Gong had enough pull that it could have potentially compromised one of the most principled, stringent modern governments on the planet, had China not gone about it's crackdown?
Falun Gong claims to have a membership of 70 million in China and 30 million in 40 other countries, mostly in the United States, Canada, Australia and Europe. It also claims that many practitioners are Chinese Communist Party members.
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/24/china.fg.overview/
Also my view on religious persecution in China: "I disagree with the CPCs methods, vehemently,"
I can't tell if you're intentionally being aggressively stupid or not so I'm out.
lol post a decade and a half old article and peace. typical bitchmade tankie shit
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Because the crack down happened a decade ago in response to those numbers. How are you so bad at thinking.
Labeling Falun Gong as a cult is in itself nothing but propaganda from the Chinese government.
what? you said there were more FG members than CCP members. the italicized quote says there are 70 million FG members (according to FG themselves, take that for what it's worth) and most of them belong to the CCP. you're still dodging the question as to whether you think FG actually represented any presence in Chinese politics ever
Read earlier in the thread, I label them as a cult because I grew up with their culty bullshit that led to a relative dying due to culty shenanigans not government persecution, which I've reiterated several times that I disagree with.
"It also claims that many practitioners are Chinese Communist Party members."
SMH Literally in the quote. Added detail from write ups during the era.
"This fear of Falun Gong's popularity explains why its main text, Zhuan Falun, was banned from publication weeks after becoming a bestseller in 1996. And why, when a government report estimated there were more Falun Gong practitioners (70 million plus) than Party members, security agents began interrupting exercise sessions."
https://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-faith-column/2008/08/falun-gong-party-chinese
Like none of this is new information or controversial. They infiltrated politics at all levels, and there was a crack down. One of us lived through this period and experienced it first hand, one of us insist on being ignorant because reading is hard - hint: it's you.
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man do you even read the shit you're quoting before you post? you just keep posting articles that shit on your own position lol
Are they committing humanitarian catastrophes and subjugating their population with iron fist control?
Yeah, my repeated position is religious persecution is bad, but I'm also explaining that FG were a cult that infiltrated the government, which would also be bad given they're also an actual fucking cult with crazy beliefs that shouldn't have a place in secular governments. Both views can be consistently held if you learn to think gud.
NPR isn't a reputable new source? They are reporting the Ughyur concentration camps.
maybe read to read your own links before you tell people to 'think gud' you fucking idiot
Man, I miss when only threads about Russia drew in low-post accounts that stanned for their evil practices...
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LOL, still can't get it. Please don't kiss your loved ones with your contagious stupidity. Have a good night.
Titik bottom of post 32, I only called posts that's quoting from Breitbard equivalent sources that legit media won't report about. People are trying to paint me like I'm some pro PRC tankie that denies the shit that's happening to the Uighurs when I'm just trying to point out ERA has issues posting blatantly fake news with questionable sources. It's happened a few times in the past week so I thought it was fair to call out only to find out there's leftist equivalent of Trumptards roaming about.
Thats one fucking peacefull cult.
Anti-communist indeed, also funded by the US government. And while not fair and balanced in the fox news sense, a lot more realistic that your state run tv.
FG never had any political presence, it's just starting type of Qigong people practice in hope for better health, The leader claim to be some sort of a god/superhuman and by following him you are guaranteed to be healthy, usual type of nonsense, it's no a legit 'religion' and it really could harm people as try to persuade people from seeking professional medical help. at first, it didn't attract the attention of the government, these types of 'cult' are not unusual in China.
But there's an academic wrote a piece of the article calling out FG being harmful and warns teenager to join in which published on a Science magazine for teenagers (Which I'm a loyal reader when in mid-school). this result about 10,000 FG member to gather in Beijing in front of the publisher's build demand apology. and soon after, the crowd moved to Beijing government building demand the publisher to be punished. I believe this incident shook government high ups hard, they are very sensitive about any party, political or not, able to gather this larger number of people without their knowledge, an in the capital of all places, (and it's still the same to this day, which is why Communication apps are highly monitored or otherwise right out banned). also, it's not unheard that religious cult turned rebel overnight, Taiping rebellion and boxers rebellion both started in the similar faction.
Chinese government hates FG and other legit religions for the same reason, as they have the potential to be politically active. but FG itself really does much more harm than good.
Yeah, like peaceful christians fundies that reject modern medicine, they only hurt their own. A family member died because of what this stupid cult preached, so fuck them.
I'm totally against homeopathy, but I woudn't lock them up. But hey, THE GREATER GOOD, huh.
And I wouldn't either, as I reiterated with almost every post. You said calling them cult is problematic, I said calling a cult a cult is accurate, because they're a cult.
Maxglute has not disputed that what the CPC is doing to religious minority groups is despicable and disgusting, and has stated that he vehemently opposes such conduct - I don't understand what you are trying to say, could you clarify your point ?
There's video where it's claimed an Uighur woman is being forced to marry a Han man against her will/to free her relatives from the 're-education' camps.
http://www.atimes.com/article/beijing-accused-of-forcing-uyghur-han-intermarriages/
As for China being a hub for thousands of reporters, this is what happens when they try to visit Uighur majority areas...
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...t-chinese-human-rights-religion-a8534161.html
The link has stories from Uighurs who fled from China, but I guess those are anti China propaganda too...
There's also this...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-cash-inter-ethnic-marriages-uighur-minority
Remove all rights from an ethnic group, make it hard for them for find work and then provide 'incentives' for the ethnic groups women to marry the majority population. No ulterior motives at all, just a random set of coincidences.
They are a cult like hinduism is a cult. They were a large group of peaceful human beings, mistreated by the Chinese government.
Your depiction of them as a cult is trying to demean them and somehow blemish that broadcaster, which has long gone beyond promoting the Falun Gong goals
Hey, I hate CPC as much as you do, but let's not go crazy and claim Falun gong is a unharmful "religion".
It's a video of a wedding with editorialized title from a youtube channel just called Muslim, you can read it however you want. The fourth video on that channel is " Canadian PM, Justin Trudeu, Promoting Pedophila". I'm Canadian, how seriously do you think I should take this channel. Independant article's been linked in the first page, it's only comment about marriage links back straight to RFA a US state sponsored propaganda site. Until it's been corroborated with legit media, of course I'm not going to believe shit they say. As for economic incentives, yeah that's the Chinese playbook with Tibet too, and with one child policy. It's a perverse lever to press, but it's far cry from incendiary titles like "forced to marry" which I'm calling out. As another poster said, there's lot's of legitimate news sources out there before resorting to RT and Breitbart equivalents. Again somehow questioning the quality of news sources and elucidating on the danger of cults while acknowledging PRC is misbehaving somehow makes me a PRC apologist. Unbelievable.
This. Can we stop painting the Falun Gong in a positive light?
My uncle died of cancer when I was young. His wife had a relative who was Falun Gong. After the wake, this relative approached my sister, who was in her young teens at the time, and tried to convert her. My sister came out, looking shaken, and tossed out the stack of pamphlets she was given.
We later learned that this relative deliberately targets children and teens to indoctrinate them early. My sister wasn't the first she tried preying on, and she wasn't the last.
It's a cult.
i think the claim that FG infiltrated the Chinese government is facile at best, and worth mockery
Whether or not they did manage to infiltrate the party doesn't change the fact that the government saw them as a huge menace to them. One has to wonder why.
You do understand that both sides could be in the wrong, right? That one could qualify the Falun Gong as a cult, all the while condemning the atrocities that was inflicted on their members by the Chinese government.
This, a lot of news about China now have no proof of anything but everyone eats it up.
The crazy thing is even if you question these articles or disagree you're automatically siding with China and are a bad person.
Propaganda at its finest.
Yes, that's why people don't like an oppressive dictatorial regime that brutally occupies foreign nations, doesn't recognize human rights at all, and imprisons thousands of religious minorities in reeducation camps.
The defense force for the PRC here is consistently hilarious.
Wow such progressives on this board, jumping down the throat of someone who is pointing out that sometimes less than reputable sites are used to bash China. Maxglute is right, there are a lot of reputable sites that point out the shady shit that China does. People shouldn't resort to the lowest common denominator "news" sites when talking about these issues. If NPR is reporting on this use them or any of the other news sites.
What's the alternative? Wait for the free press in China or the powerful opposition parties to raise issues? The government has total control and uses it to suppress information. That leads to sometimes having to trust sources that you wouldn't have to in countries with any real flow of information.
No, fuck that shit.
Do you KNOW what the fuck they did to those people??
No one here has mentioned anything resembling legitimate criticism, just vagueries.
And EVEN then, the Chinese government did unspeakable things to those people. God damn, people.
Because they are powerhungry assholes, its not fucking hard. Im guessing most of you werent alive during tiananmen square.
China does do a bunch of horrible things and I am wary of its government, but I think maxglute has a point. You guys might eat up this stuff too easily looking for validation of your fears.
My parents themselves are so anti-commie and anti-China (they are Vietnamese refugees living in Canada) that they support Trump(!) in everything and also eat up Radio Free Asia and other HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE youtube news sources. So you know.. don't become reactionaries about this too.
As for companies leaving China, not quite sure how that will shake out in the end. Seems like China's politics are such that they can sacrifice a lot (their citizens for example) and still outmuscle everyone in the region or pull enough backroom strings to come out on top anyway because the US is also too distracted by Trump's incompetence to effectively intervene and manage this (e.g. I don't think Vietnam is shielded from China while companies move to it even if most reports mark it out to be a main winner from these trade wars. For all I know, it would make a nice front for Chinese goods, and it's not like Vietnam is exactly amazing with human rights either, probably just slightly better because less overall power lol).
My parents themselves are so anti-commie and anti-China (they are Vietnamese refugees living in Canada) that they support Trump(!) in everything and also eat up Radio Free Asia and other HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE youtube news sources. So you know.. don't become reactionaries about this too.
As for companies leaving China, not quite sure how that will shake out in the end. Seems like China's politics are such that they can sacrifice a lot (their citizens for example) and still outmuscle everyone in the region or pull enough backroom strings to come out on top anyway because the US is also too distracted by Trump's incompetence to effectively intervene and manage this (e.g. I don't think Vietnam is shielded from China while companies move to it even if most reports mark it out to be a main winner from these trade wars. For all I know, it would make a nice front for Chinese goods, and it's not like Vietnam is exactly amazing with human rights either, probably just slightly better because less overall power lol).
TIL family member dies because cult brainwashed them to reject medical treatment are just vagueries and totally not legitimate criticism. A+ trivialization.
Religious persecution is very real in China (as is practically any kind of thought police). It's not just cults, Christian churches are now forced to install the facial recognition cameras at the entrance, the bible is being rewritten to conform to Xi's sensibilities, and anytime you bring a new person or the wrong bible to the church you get social credit points docked.
I'm not religious and think the world will probably be a better place with most of them gone, but persecution is not the way, and especially not because it seems like China is simply busy installing their own mind control religion.
Companies should flee. Though obviously they're not fleeing because of any of this (except companies with privacy concerns), but because it's better for their bottom line when they do.
I'm not religious and think the world will probably be a better place with most of them gone, but persecution is not the way, and especially not because it seems like China is simply busy installing their own mind control religion.
Companies should flee. Though obviously they're not fleeing because of any of this (except companies with privacy concerns), but because it's better for their bottom line when they do.
You've provided no reason to believe you, and maxglute has. Religious groups have infiltrated and taken over governments many times, even in recent history. Look up Turkey, Erdogan, and the Gulenist movement.
Sorry, doesnt justify harvesting their fucking organs, no.
And this happens in christianity, homeopathy, with chiropracters. All shitty, all fucked up, still not a good reason to qualify the entire group as a cult and take their human rights away.
Err I'm from Indonesia, while our country still corrupt af.. I believe we have good democracy process here, good enough to not compared to fucking China
25 years ago maybe Indonesia is basically 2nd China that not wealthy at all