Playstation Classic confirmed to have PAL and therefore 50hz games in the line-up (including Tekken)

Ive been fighting (not literally) 50hz games since the day in 1991 I looked at the pictures of PAL super r-type and wondered why they were squashed, next xmas I had my import US SNES. Im 43 now so thats over half my life ive been anti 50hz. Sony bringing me a different kind of nostalgia here.

What in the world....like how.

FormatCompatible said:

Ok that is fucking amazing lmao!

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Seems appropriate for Tekken 2, which is not on the PlayStation Classic. Come on, Sony...

Desmond said:

Cancelled my preorder earlier in the week. Will probably pick it up with my Xmas paycheck but I'm weary now.

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I canceled mine, as well. I hope they sell the controllers separately, though. I was gonna just keep my pre-order in tact because of the controllers, but I find it really difficult to support such a half-assed product.

DontHateTheBacon said:

I don't really understand this decision, or more broadly, the existence of this system at all really.

Just make games backwards compatible OR resell them on PSN.

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They saw what Nintendo's doing and decided to take a crack at it, but forgot to put in any kind of effort at all.

Sad that our ability to play old games on modern hardware is pretty much being stripped in favor of these overpriced piece of shit nostalgia boxes. God bless the one pub out there still doing BC.

LordKano said:

Watch this video, you'll quickly get it.

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Holy shit, this is madness.

I cancelled my preorder as soon as I found out their were PAL versions in the box.

I still have a OG PSX..I'll just rebuy the games I want.

Classicrock78 said:

Yea I cancelled my order at bestbuy,and got just cause 4 gold instead.

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My man.

Injustice45 said:

Seems appropriate for Tekken 2, which is not on the PlayStation Classic. Come on, Sony...

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Yeah, pretty sure they just copied the description of Tekken 2 from somewhere and called it a day lol.

Got my order cancelled. Was going to hold out to see if the mod community will be able to work with this thing and fix its flaws, but no. I don't have time for it even then.

Hong said:

Also a good one, from the playstation website:

Neither Kazuya nor Jun are in Tekken 3 lmao

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But see, their fighting styles were passed down to their son Jin, so.

mazi said:

i don't know, you tell me

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Jawbreaker said:

As I said in the other thread, are we just assuming it's going to run at 50Hz despite emulation being able to run PAL versions at 60Hz? It's trivial to run them at 60Hz.

The reason for using PAL over NTSC could be a matter of content being absent/different from the NTSC release, though I haven't looked into these particular games.

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No assumptions here. I can tell from the direct capture from the units, it is the 50Hz version. Anyone familiar with the game can tell even with a few seconds of gameplay. Also, my friends at Sony confirmed it is running 50Hz (the PAL version) as well.

A fighting game that doesn't run at it's intended speed, is not the same game. My biggest fear here is that nostalgic generations of gamers will play this and think the Tekken 3 experience sucks or wasn't as good as they remembered. Even worse, new gamers might not care.

Okay fuck this, what's the best way for playing Metal Gear Solid nowadays??? I'm not buying this shit

£89.99

MarkMan said:

Also, my friends at Sony confirmed it is running 50Hz (the PAL version) as well.

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can you ask your friends at sony why did they did such a shoddy job?

The shoddiness of this half heart effort was obvious even by just reading the press statement...to the point that this seems like an aftemarket pirated version from a china factory.

Yoshichan said:

Okay fuck this, what's the best way for playing Metal Gear Solid nowadays??? I'm not buying this shit

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PSP or Vita does the job.

Why though?

I just now realized that US also get PAL games.

LMAO

Go home Sony, you're drunk.

Yoshichan said:

Okay fuck this, what's the best way for playing Metal Gear Solid nowadays??? I'm not buying this shit

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ePSXe

Reminder people. Don't give Sony a cent on this. Don't let them abuse our 'loyalty' with such shoddy product.

Cancel your preorder and tell your friends, aunt and grandma NOT to buy this for little Timmy as his Xmas present.

PAL is the worst! D:

I was playing Jumping Flash on my UK PS3 yesterday, and cursing the fact that it was a PAL version with borders and slow speed. I had forgotten that they labelled some of their later PSone Classics releases with a US flag to indicate that you get the American version instead. I remember having to buy SoTN from the US PSN store.

PAL games are the reason why classic gaming in Europe is complete trash for anything other than handhelds.

I got into 60hz gaming with a modded Sega Saturn in 1997 and never turned back.

Besides tekken 3, anything you'd have an interest in is available on ps3.

AkimbOb-omb said:

PSP or Vita does the job.

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Yup, played it on Vita recently and that works well.

Keep in mind though that for some reason many of Konami's PSP and PS1 Classic games are not listed on the Vita store and need to be downloaded on a PS3 first and then transfered to your PSV. Metal Gear Solid is one of those games.

Welp, just cancelled my preorder. The big reason was that it coincided with me dropping far too much on Surface, so I really shouldn't buy this right now anyway. I was willing to give it a shot anyway though since I'd never owned a PlayStation, but even without the money issue it was looking like more and more of a disappointing product. This 50Hz stuff is nuts.

Corporate Clown said:

I'm sure it will still sell lots, but man this thing is a disappointment.
-You could literally fill like 5 minis with the number of great games the system had, but instead they give us mostly crap
-Cheapening out on the controller so no dualshock
-Literally the worst versions of some games

So glad I cancelled and will just stick with my PSTV

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They didn't really give us mostly crap. Most of the games included are very good with a few exceptions.

dock said:

PAL is the worst! D:

I was playing Jumping Flash on my UK PS3 yesterday, and cursing the fact that it was a PAL version with borders and slow speed. I had forgotten that they labelled some of their later PSone Classics releases with a US flag to indicate that you get the American version instead. I remember having to buy SoTN from the US PSN store.

PAL games are the reason why classic gaming in Europe is complete trash for anything other than handhelds.

I got into 60hz gaming with a modded Sega Saturn in 1997 and never turned back.

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OT but is there any technical, logistic or political reason why Europe adopted the PAL 50hz format for their tv signal in the first place? Like we get why americans refused to give up imperial and adopt metric (due to cultural reasons) but what's the rationality behind choosing the PAL?

Digital Foundary guys Dark1x can answer?

Imagine fucking up a bunch of ROMS

Incompetent Sony is worst Sony.

AkimbOb-omb said:

PSP or Vita does the job.

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But if I don't have a PSP, Vita or don't wanna use emulators, what're my options?

RestEerie said:

OT but is there any technical, logistic or political reason why Europe adopted the PAL 50hz format for their tv signal in the first place? Like we get why americans refused to give up imperial and adopt metric (due to cultural reasons) but what's the rationality behind choosing the PAL?

Digital Foundary guys Dark1x can answer?

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I'd love to know this. I know that the PAL image is better than NTSC 'never the same colour', but I wonder who made the decision to use a different standard.

RestEerie said:

ePSXe

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They asked for the best way, ePSXe is not the best way.

Madnefen/beetle-PSX or PCSX-R are the best ways, preferably via Retroarch/Retropie/Lakka so you don't have to use a mouse and keyboard in order to switch discs.

"Unplayable". Some folks need to sort out their priorities. Surely if an entire region managed with it so can you?

RestEerie said:

OT but is there any technical, logistic or political reason why Europe adopted the PAL 50hz format for their tv signal in the first place? Like we get why americans refused to give up imperial and adopt metric (due to cultural reasons) but what's the rationality behind choosing the PAL?

Digital Foundary guys Dark1x can answer?

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It has something to do with Europe and much of Asia using 50hz power grid.

TheMadTitan said:

They asked for the best way, ePSXe is not the best way.

Madnefen/beetle-PSX or PCSX-R are the best ways, preferably via Retroarch/Retropie/Lakka so you don't have to use a mouse and keyboard in order to switch discs.

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i completed FF8,9 and Chrono Cross using ePSX on my shitty pc in the 2000s...LMAO.

Tekken 3 was one of the very first games I imported from Japan, and knowing it meant I could avoid the shitty PAL version was a big part of doing that.
Cancelled my preorder.

PSOreo said:

"Unplayable". Some folks need to sort out their priorities. Surely if an entire region managed with it so can you?

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but why? Why offer any handicapped product at all?

Yikes.
This thing has so many problems and it's not even out yet.

Spyder_Monkey said:

Toys like this are not Sony's forte

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It is precisely their forte, they just fucked it up spectacularly.

Doctor_Thomas said:

If you're in a PAL region, at least this is the actual games you experienced....

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Not if we did the smart thing and imported our consoles and games :)

lint2015 said:

Nintendo got their shit sorted. Sony has never listened.

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This. Sony has always been and still is the last to give a shit about delivering classic games the way they're supposed to play in Europe. The vast majority of PS2 games were still 50hz while Sega and Nintendo were striving to implement 60hz as the norm with Dreamcast and Gamecube.

PSN's European Psone library is still 95% PAL-only, with all the associated deficiencies intact and untouched.

When Nintendo unwisely insisted on PAL VC for Wii U, the response on Miiverse was harshly critical and significant enough for them to reconsider, and they went with 60hz for the majority of titles from that point onward. Nintendo's current platforms are 100% NTSC as far as legacy titles go in Europe. They get it. Sony doesn't.

dock said:

I'd love to know this. I know that the PAL image is better than NTSC 'never the same colour', but I wonder who made the decision to use a different standard.

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By the time color television started in Europe, the weaknesses of NTSC were well-known (like weak handling of colors) and PAL was designed to improve on those weaknesses. The difference in hz can be traced back to countries like the US and Japan using 60hz AC frequencies, while most of rest of the world (including Europe) used 50hz.

PAL is shit for retro gaming since old games were developed for NTSC, but PAL does have its fair share of advantages like higher resolution (576i vs 480i).

hanshen said:

It has something to do with Europe and much of Asia using 50hz power grid.

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I don't know other asian countries but where i came from, singapore, japan and taiwan are using 60hz NTSC AFAIK.

I got a US NES (instead of those famiclones) in the 80s and got a japanese saturn (clearly NTSC as stated in the box and CD labeling as NTSC/J) and the PS2 sold in singapore was NTSC as well.

Fucking lol. Peak arrogant Sony.

RestEerie said:

I don't know other asian countries but where i came from, singapore, japan and taiwan are using 60hz NTSC AFAIK.

I got a US NES (instead of those famiclones) in the 80s and got a japanese saturn (clearly NTSC as stated in the box and CD labeling as NTSC/J) and the PS2 sold in singapore was NTSC as well.

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Yes. You just listed the few countries in Asia that uses NTSC...

just read from gearnuke about the possible rationality of using the PAL iso.

https://gearnuke.com/playstation-classic-games-50hz-pal-versions/

You may be asking why would Sony do this, putting in the inferior versions of the game on the Playstation Classic? The main region is probably the bundled languages. The North American version of the games would at max have had 2 languages on board, while the PAL versions had 5. Nowadays we're lucky to get region free games with multiple languages in different regions, but that wasn't the case in the days of the PS1.

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LordKano said:

Watch this video, you'll quickly get it.

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Yiiiiiiiiiiiiikes. So you guys arent overblowing this at all. Thats freaking terrible. I thought maybe people were just being a little picky, but damn..

RestEerie said:

just read from gearnuke about the possible rationality of using the PAL iso.

https://gearnuke.com/playstation-classic-games-50hz-pal-versions/

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so why do only half of the games need languages beside english?

mazi said:

so why do only half of the games need languages beside english?

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i wouldn't know...that's just a 'possible' rationality the gearnuke people can came up with..

or my rationality on why sony chose the pal iso.

they don't give a shit.

hanshen said:

Yes. You just listed the few countries in Asia that uses NTSC...

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While true, Asian region usually imported both PAL and NTSC versions of PS1 and just switch the TV mode when you wanna play PS1. NTSC is usually preferred because PAL PS1 usually got screwed over game library.

RestEerie said:

i completed FF8,9 and Chrono Cross using ePSX on my shitty pc in the 2000s...LMAO.

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And we've come a ways away since then.

PSOreo said:

"Unplayable". Some folks need to sort out their priorities. Surely if an entire region managed with it so can you?

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Why the hell should I have to manage with an inferior product for something I paid $100 for?

hanshen said:

Yes. You just listed the few countries in Asia that uses NTSC...

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we need a united standard where every country uses the same power plug, every device uses the same power cable & connector.....i mean we are getting there with USB-C (apple products notwithstanding) and most of europe are no longer limited by the PAL quirks but certain weird tech difference still exist they makes no sense. For example, why is the US of all countries still using CDMA networks (Verizon specifically)?