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APZonerunner

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Series 12 will have Daleks and another returning species, and that'll be the whole marketing push. Maybe not Cybermen though. Maybe Daleks and a popular new-Who monster? Ood or something.

When was this? I was at Comic Con, and he most certainly did not, to my recollection, hint at Daleks coming this season.

He said "No returning creatures this series", but also separately noted that NYD isn't technically part of the series. Also said "We haven't seen them yet," about Daleks -- when they still had three weeks filming (specifically on the NYD episode) to go. I think we could easily see them at New Year, tbh.
 

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He said "No returning creatures this series", but also separately noted that NYD isn't technically part of the series. Also said "We haven't seen them yet," about Daleks -- when they still had three weeks filming (specifically on the NYD episode) to go. I think we could easily see them at New Year, tbh.
It was when he was talking about how the Daleks had not appeared so far during filming but that he had one more episode to write. Not really guaranteed but some people took it as a hint of Daleks.
He more or less said he had no intention of using any classic Who villains or monsters this series. Granted, I guess I could see them appearing on NYD and him hand-waving it as it's not part of the actual series, as you said APZonerunner, but I definitely don't think we'll see them in the next couple of episodes. And frankly, at this point, I would be worried about his take on the Daleks and their history with the Doctor.
 

JediTimeBoy

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He hinted at the Daleks during comic con
Oh fuck.

The Thals will become aggressors that carried out genetic experiments on the Kaled race, one of whom was called Davros, the great Poet and Philosopher of the Kaled race.

It's not the daleks' fault that they're xenophobic, they're just misunderstood. The Doctor ultimately helps the daleks beat the evil Thals, and they become bffs.

Davros will really see the error of his ways this time, and repurpose the daleks as a benevolent peace keeping force.
 

Halbrand

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I had no idea but apparently the New Years' special synopsis is already out. Doesn't sound like Daleks to me.

As the New Year begins, a terrifying evil is stirring, from across the centuries of Earth's history. As the Doctor, Ryan, Graham and Yaz return home, will they be able to overcome the threat to planet Earth?
 

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I had no idea but apparently the New Years' special synopsis is already out. Doesn't sound like Daleks to me.

Eh, this is just about the least descriptive synopsis of all time. That terrifying evil could be the Daleks, it could be the Cybermen, it could be some new monster, or it could be racism.
 
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I had no idea but apparently the New Years' special synopsis is already out. Doesn't sound like Daleks to me.

They're a terrifying evil and have attempted to invade earth at multiple points in the past. Can't really get that to fit the "centuries of Earth's history" part though.

Yeah, doesn't really fit Daleks, plus would expect it to tease if it's a well known old enemy.
 

JediTimeBoy

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"Across the centuries", sounds like multiple eras of Earth's past. It would be too much to hope that Team Tardis are separated through time, and have to work together, via some device, to save Earth in their relative times.
 

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Hmm, I dunno. We've had Clara pretend to be the Doctor briefly with the Cybermen. We also had Jackson Lake (although he thought he was the Doctor)...

My favourite one is Missy's impersonation:

"Hello. I'm Doctor Who. And these are my plucky assistants, Thing One and the Other One."

Then:
BILL: Yeah, but he's called the Doctor, so
MISSY: He says, I'm the Doctor, and they say, Doctor who? See, I'm cutting to the chase, baby. I'm streamlining. I'm saving us actual minutes.
BILL: Yeah, okay, whatever.
MISSY: Also it's his real name.

As a 63er I always love in-universe references to Doctor Who. My head canon ("boom!") is that Doctor Who's name is, in Gallifreyan, an interrogative. She's been waving those question mark brollies and lapel insignia around forever, because that's her name.

My second head canon is that the interrogative is a wildcard in the Time Lords' Matrix database. She's the Gallifreyan equivalent of Little Bobby Tables.

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The normal people in Rosa felt more dangerous than anything else this series.

Remember that season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer where the Big Bad was real life?

Moffat and Davies both created this mythical hero called Doctor Who. I loved every minute of that wild ride. Obviously I know no more than you about why the show is written this way, but this is in some ways a bit closer to the Classic Who formula, especially the Hartnell years where he's a cantankerous fugitive with very suspicious motives and questionable morality.
 

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I wish Missy wasn't dead.

NARRATOR: She was not dead.

Any time you want to revisit Missy, just look at Green Wing, in which she is ostensibly a hospital human resources administrator but, both in text and subtext, is the quintessential Missy.

I mean, hey, it's Doctor Who. She can always return, or regenerate into a new form.

Yes, obviously The Master will be back in some form. But I hope it's only a matter of time until Gomez hijacks Heather's wet girl technology to bring herself back.
 
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Halbrand

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The series should go back to Gallifrey again following up on Hell Bent instead of bringing back the Master again, if it even needs to do that
 

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"Across the centuries", sounds like multiple eras of Earth's past. It would be too much to hope that Team Tardis are separated through time, and have to work together, via some device, to save Earth in their relative times.

Right around the time Alan Cumming blurted out he was in Doctor Who didn't he also mention that he might return at some point? I could see this being an episode where the threat recurs across various time periods, one of which allows them to drop in on James I, playing on the New Years angle.

And then you end on a shot that reveals the Daleks were secretly behind everything and that way you can a) have the Daleks appear but b) not actually have to write them into the story properly and maybe c) pay it off in the S12 finale.
 

JediTimeBoy

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NARRATOR: She was not dead.

Any time you want to revisit Missy, just look at Green Wing, in which she is ostensibly a hospital human resources administrator but, both in text and subtext, is the quintessential Missy.

I'll look into that, cheers. Apparently in
The Chilling Tales of Sabrina
, she plays a similar role. Spoilered because you don't find that out until later apparently.

Actually, last month she said something along the lines of "It's possible, you never know, never say never".
That's great news.

And then you end on a shot that reveals the Daleks were secretly behind everything and that way you can a) have the Daleks appear but b) not actually have to write them into the story properly and maybe c) pay it off in the S12 finale.
So basically similar to how the Weeping Angels were sort of behind everything in Class
 

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They are said to anser to 9 different didtress calls in the synopsis of 10. I think those are gonna be from the different centuries in the NYD special, and they have to get off of Ranskoor Av Kolos to answer them, or whatever. Would make the most sense.

I like the idea of 9 distress calls. Reminds me of Ten's comment to Jack Harness: "I can't have you walking around with a time travelling teleport. You could go anywhere. Twice! The second time to apologize."
 

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It has been a pretty rough season so far. The show's occasional forays into current day social issues have been pretty hamfisted and silly. Kablam was awful in that respect, and maybe the worst of this new series. I'm not sure why the Doctor keeps urging companions not to mess with timelines when after 5 minutes in a new setting she immediately begins messing with the timelines and doing things that will ultimately reshape history.

So far I think The Tsuranga Conundrum is probably my favorite episode. The monster was fun, the turns were exciting and the stakes were well-defined.......had some nice moments for supporting characters. I was genuinely concerned about the Doctor's well-being since she was wincing and doubling over in pain all the time, and the medics on the ship didn't seem to know how to treat her.

Demons of the Punjab was actually my second-favorite I think, because it highlighted an area of history I'm not that familiar with and I liked that the aliens turned out not to be the main threat. The Thajarians reminded me of Speaker for the Dead (the sequel to Ender's Game). I thought the execution was good enough that I can sorta forgive or overlook the glaring issue that the Doctor saw no problem in letting Yaz mess around with her own personal timeline at one of the most pivotal moments in Indian/Pakistani history.

Beyond those two episodes though, everything else has seemed kind of dull and perfunctory. I am still astounded that the writers seem to have no idea how to write a conclusion to an episode. Almost all of them seem to just randomly cut off at strange moments......I've been watching on BBC America, where the final scene is ended with a promo for future episodes. Because they don't immediately cut to credits I often find myself questioning whether they are going into a final commercial break at the end or if the whole episode has just weirdly petered out abruptly. It's almost always the latter.
 

Halbrand

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First official photos of not-Christmas special:

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Well, we know the companions all survive the finale.
 

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I just hope by the end of this season the Doctor introduces herself as a Time Lord/Lady from Gallifrey. Neither have been mentioned once this series. Aren't her companions curious about what species she is? Where she is from? Or did that all sadly happen offscreen?
 

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I just hope by the end of this season the Doctor introduces herself as a Time Lord/Lady from Gallifrey. Neither have been mentioned once this series. Aren't her companions curious about what species she is? Where she is from? Or did that all sadly happen offscreen?


It's not compulsory.

This Doctor Who is, apparently, more interested in who other people are than you might expect. That's not exactly a new thing, but I suppose the upturning of expectations is leading strong in this series because having Jodie in the role gives much more scope for change.

So yeah, we have learned much more about Graham, Ryan and Yaz than about Doctor Who. She's fearsomely clever but fallible, nurturing but sometimes chillingly indifferent, and expounds moral principles that she comprehensively fails to uphold.

Moffat used to put it this way: the Doctor lies.

Or as Virginia Woolf's Orlando says after her regeneration: different sex, same person.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...son-how-woolfs-orlando-became-a-trans-triumph
 

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It's not compulsory.

This Doctor Who is, apparently, more interested in who other people are than you might expect. That's not exactly a new thing, but I suppose the upturning of expectations is leading strong in this series because having Jodie in the role gives much more scope for change.

So yeah, we have learned much more about Graham, Ryan and Yaz than about Doctor Who. She's fearsomely clever but fallible, nurturing but sometimes chillingly indifferent, and expounds moral principles that she comprehensively fails to uphold.

Moffat used to put it this way: the Doctor lies.

Or as Virginia Woolf's Orlando says after her regeneration: different sex, same person.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...son-how-woolfs-orlando-became-a-trans-triumph

I don't think CC understands Doctor Who, the show about a mysterious time traveller... well, he understands the time travelling.
Why is it that the team haven't asked the Doctor anything at all about herself on screen, like just about every other companion has?
This series feels more like an intermission - what the Doctor does in between the normal global and/or universal threats.

Why did CC feel a need to tone down Doctor Who?

Michael Grade must be so happy...
 
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Why is it that the team haven't asked the Doctor anything at all about herself on screen, like just about every other companion has ?

Like this, you mean?

Bill: Why are you Scottish?
The Doctor: I'm not Scottish, I'm just cross.

Time travellers are often mysterious. What is the name of the protagonist of The Time Machine? Gallifrey didn't even have a name for the first decade of the show.
 

Halbrand

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That's my point, there's no mystery in this series of Doctor Who, or at least no mystery that seems to interest Team Tardis on screen.
It's pretty bizarre that the companions have never really asked the Doctor about herself, now that I think about it.

The Doctor's theme in really Series 1 really captured the mystery/alien/otherworldly vibe of the Doctor so well.

 

JediTimeBoy

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Honestly, imo this series would've been better off if CC had snuck in a Peter Cushing to Jodie Whittaker regeneration, it would have fit better.
 

JediTimeBoy

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Maybe. It still took 53 years for a companion to ask Doctor Who for directions to the toilet ("down there, first right, second left, past the macaroon dispenser.")

At this rate, it'll take Team Tardis 53 years to question "doctor, who ?"

Lol, it just hit me that even Jackie Tyler showed more curiousity about the Doctor than Team Tardis.
 
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JediTimeBoy

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Oh shit. Chibnall has absolutely no idea about how to write like Steven Moffat. What on earth are we going to do now that we no longer have Steven Moffat to kick around?

Or RTD, or any one of a number of writers over 55 years that added to the mystery.

And it's not that CC has no idea about how to write like Steven Moffat, it's that he has no idea about how to write Doctor Who, unless he thinks that the previous Doctor was Peter Cushing.
 

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Or RTD, or any one of a number of writers over 55 years that added to the mystery.

And it's not that CC has no idea about how to write like Steven Moffat, it's that he has no idea about how to write Doctor Who.

He wrote The Hungry Earth, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, The Power of Three, and most of early Torchwood. That's quite an achievement for a clueless novice.
 

Halbrand

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And it's not that CC has no idea about how to write like Steven Moffat, it's that he has no idea about how to write Doctor Who, unless he thinks that the previous Doctor was Peter Cushing.
It's genuinely amazing to me how much he or the writers under his direction get the Doctor wrong every episode, I think at this point I'm watching to see what bizarre/hypocritical decision the Doctor will make next

It's a shame, because I really think Jodie was the perfect person for the first female Doctor.

Steven Moffat nailed the character of the Doctor in his debut with The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances.

He wrote The Hungry Earth, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, The Power of Three, and most of early Torchwood. That's quite an achievement for a clueless novice.
None of those are particularly good, and Dinosaurs on a Spaceship is abysmal. I don't have a problem with people liking these but none of these Who episodes are widely liked.