Nintendo Switch update 6.2.0 may have fixed its security flaw and stopped the hacking scene for now

Buddy said:

A coworker of me hacked his switch and rubs it daily in my face how he can play all the game for free and earlier than me.

He pirates every game I talk about and brings his switch to work. Then asks me how much I payed for the game with a smug grin in his face, only to answer that it was free for him...

He doesn't want to pay for switch games because they are low budget and shouldn't cost as much as ps4 games.

it is so infuriating, I want to punch him in the face.

Many people who hack their systems do it because of "free games"

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Man that reminds me of the late 2000s when I used to bring my DS into work and play games on my lunch break. Coworkers would constantly bring up how they had whatever flashcard at the time and basically laughed at the idea of still buying games.

I also remember when the Wii was hacked to hell and back folks saying that Wii games weren't worth the asking price because they weren't HD or some other nonsense.

maximumzero said:

Man that reminds me of the late 2000s when I used to bring my DS into work and play games on my lunch break. They would constantly bring up how they had whatever flashcard at the time and basically laughed at the idea of still buying games.

I also remember when the Wii was hacked to hell and back folks saying that Wii games weren't worth the asking price because they weren't HD or some other nonsense.

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The weird thing with the current situation is that is becoming effectively impossible to actually get these any more without a lot of digging and knowing exactly what you're looking for, so its like... these people are not only coming off as assholes but they also don't realize the market around them where overtime more people will not even be able to do anything to their system vs. being able to.

Its what I highlighted before where I don't quite see the longterm plan of a lot of those sellers in smaller markets that quickly adopted selling hacked units + payloads but now have nothing they can sell and killed their local software market, leaving them, again, with nothing to sell.

I for one would love to have my switch last past its sell by date and become even more useful as it ages

Thats why I enjoy and appreciate what hackers do

Trying to snuff out piracy is small fry in comparison and throughout its history has never been anything but an ancillary issue at best

Its appalling to me that people would want to completely shut down options and freedom for devices you paid good money for.

I suppose the difference being that hacking systems wide open happens so early, fast and frequent. Still its never had that huge of an impact regardless and in the case of the Switch its still more complex and more work right now than is worth it for the vast majority of people

Definitely looking forward to how useful my switch is to me down the line when i inevitably buy the next iteration of it.

Nintendo should do what Microsoft did with Xbox 360. If you hack your console, no matter the reason, once you connect online you're getting flagged and eventually banned. No more e-Shop, no more Nintendo Online, but you can use your console for whatever you want except any kind of online access.

At least they are trying

janoGX said:

Nintendo should do what Microsoft did with Xbox 360. If you hack your console, no matter the reason, once you connect online you're getting flagged and eventually banned. No more e-Shop, no more Nintendo Online, but you can use your console for whatever you want except any kind of online access.

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It'd also blacklist any content your 360 created on other 360s

DrROBschiz said:

I for one would love to have my switch last past its sell by date and become even more useful as it ages

Thats why I enjoy and appreciate what hackers do

Trying to snuff out piracy is small fry in comparison and throughout its history has never been anything but an ancillary issue at best

Its appalling to me that people would want to completely shut down options and freedom for devices you paid good money for.

I suppose the difference being that hacking systems wide open happens so early, fast and frequent. Still its never had that huge of an impact regardless and in the case of the Switch its still more complex and more work right now than is worth it for the vast majority of people

Definitely looking forward to how useful my switch is to me down the line when i inevitably buy the next iteration of it.

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Cool great, wait for it to be obsolete first. There's years left for this thing.

janoGX said:

Nintendo should do what Microsoft did with Xbox 360. If you hack your console, no matter the reason, once you connect online you're getting flagged and eventually banned. No more e-Shop, no more Nintendo Online, but you can use your console for whatever you want except any kind of online access.

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That's what they already do

atbigelow said:

Cool great, wait for it to be obsolete first. There's years left for this thing.

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^this exactly.

janoGX said:

Nintendo should do what Microsoft did with Xbox 360. If you hack your console, no matter the reason, once you connect online you're getting flagged and eventually banned. No more e-Shop, no more Nintendo Online, but you can use your console for whatever you want except any kind of online access.

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Hey, you know the best bit? It destroys the Switch and also any game in the cart slot, so when the cart is sold at the local cex, whichever poor sap buys it will have their Switch banned as well.

Millennials...

Is it fair to assume that all of the Switch bundles that Nintendo have for Christmas (Let's Go/Smash/Fortnite/MK8DX) are made up of post June 2018 units? So they're not able to be hacked?

DrROBschiz said:

I for one would love to have my switch last past its sell by date and become even more useful as it ages

Thats why I enjoy and appreciate what hackers do

Trying to snuff out piracy is small fry in comparison and throughout its history has never been anything but an ancillary issue at best

Its appalling to me that people would want to completely shut down options and freedom for devices you paid good money for.

I suppose the difference being that hacking systems wide open happens so early, fast and frequent. Still its never had that huge of an impact regardless and in the case of the Switch its still more complex and more work right now than is worth it for the vast majority of people

Definitely looking forward to how useful my switch is to me down the line when i inevitably buy the next iteration of it.

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good old "freedom", but when piracy and cheating becomes rampant, its no longer their problem.

this "freedoms" or whatever are rights/ luxuries that people lost when they proved they could not use em right, you think Nintendo or any company by that matter would care random people do job for em for free? of course not, but the hacking scene is not responsible nor care for the impact of their works (directly or indirectly) and so companies start to play back harder. Switch lack of physical back up and web browser is "luxury" we lost.

Djkhaled said:

That's what they already do

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kinda, they still have compassion and ban in lower levels like only the the game specific online. nor out right full console credential bans.

TastyBurger666 said:

Hey, you know the best bit? It destroys the Switch and also any game in the cart slot, so when the cart is sold at the local cex, whichever poor sap buys it will have their Switch banned as well.

Millennials...

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Do you believe that hacked Switch should continue to have access to the online services? Because that's what the message you are answering to is talking about.

No more e-Shop, no more Nintendo Online, but you can use your console for whatever you want except any kind of online access.

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While the calls for insta-bricking hacked switch are just dreams from a very small group of fans who get extremely defensive when their console is on the line, Nintendo blocking hacked consoles from accessing their online services seems very reasonable and I would even say necessary if it helps preventing cheating.

zakatana said:

Do you believe that hacked Switch should continue to have access to the online services? Because that's what the message you are answering to is talking about.

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I'm not sending any message at all. I don't identify as an attack Radio Broadcast Tower, so please stop misgendering me.

You don't seem to understand the difference between a 'hacked' Switch and a 'banned' Switch, so until you do, stop forcing your misinformed opinion on other people.

TastyBurger666 said:

I'm not sending any message at all. I don't identify as an attack Radio Broadcast Tower, so please stop misgendering me.

You don't seem to understand the difference between a 'hacked' Switch and a 'banned' Switch, so until you do, stop forcing your misinformed opinion on other people.

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You seem like a very likable person indeed.

TastyBurger666 said:

I don't identify as an attack Radio Broadcast Tower, so please stop misgendering me.

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You're an idiot.

zakatana said:

You seem like a very likable person indeed.

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To randos on the Era? Like I care about your crappy opinion.

A.By said:

You're an idiot.

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And you're blocked.

zakatana said:

You seem like a very likable person indeed.

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A.By said:

You're an idiot.

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Just report and ignore, it didn't take long for the guy to show his true colors.

Pablo Mesa said:

I wish law allowed a kill switch in case of people thinkering with OS/ consoles etc etc etc.

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Ah yes, strong with the weak, weak with the strong. That's one of the most corporate bootlicking thought I readed in a while.

GhostTrick said:

Ah yes, strong with the weak, weak with the strong. That's one of the most corporate bootlicking thought I readed in a while.

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It's really not what the majority of reasonable people are calling for though. People should be able to do whatever they want with the machine they purchased, and Nintendo should be able to do whatever they want with the service they provide (that is, banning hacked systems from their online infrastructure for example).

TastyBurger666 said:

To randos on the Era? Like I care about your crappy opinion.

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TastyBurger666 said:

I'm not sending any message at all. I don't identify as an attack Radio Broadcast Tower, so please stop misgendering me.

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TastyBurger666 said:

And you're blocked.

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Go back to Reddit/Discord/hbg.

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To randos on the Era? Like I care about your crappy opinion.

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You'll last long here...

zakatana said:

It's really not what the majority of reasonable people are calling for though. People should be able to do whatever they want with the machine they purchased, and Nintendo should be able to do whatever they want with the service they provide (that is, banning hacked systems from their online infrastructure for example).

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Yup, definitely agree on that.

The line between faithful homebrew and rampant piracy has always been a thin one. Great things have come from homebrew, and as an extention, emulation. I remember the joys I had in playing those small little open source games, playing DVDs of my Wii, having a way to backup saves I thought I had long lost or getting a backup ROM for stuff like Soulsilver where carts are becoming rare, no digital alternative exists and I fear losing my cart to age (some DS games already died for me).

However, piracy does damage the profitabilty of the system as a whole and especially endangeres the smaller fish in the sea. Game of Thrones will always make money even if it was the most pirated show, but the same cannot be said for stuff with only moderate interest. I really don't blame companies for trying to curb piracy while they still offer good and convenient legal alternatives. After all, a system cracked wide open won't get as much games for it either.

That's why homebrew was most beneficial when it came late into the product's life cycle. It was already becoming obsolete and for those select power users it provides a way to breath new life in it. But expecting a system to be wide open and stay that way from day 1 really is too much to ask for. If you're getting fed up over not being able to pirate or homebrew stuff, I think it's best to leave it at that and try to find something else that keeps you busy.

zakatana said:

It's really not what the majority of reasonable people are calling for though. People should be able to do whatever they want with the machine they purchased, and Nintendo should be able to do whatever they want with the service they provide (that is, banning hacked systems from their online infrastructure for example).

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The majority of reasonable people are extremely outnumbered by the majority of unreasonable people, who just don't want to pay for games.

Metal B said:

The majority of reasonable people are extremely outnumbered by the majority of unreasonable people, who just don't want to pay for games.

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Here ? In this thread ?

Holy shit some posters in this thread...

So it seems that some pirated copies of smash run in the wild are malicious modified and bricking people switch's ,like happened with pokemon,not all ,but the risk is to high at the moment for the people pirating games on the system

With Smash, why don't people just wait instead of potentially bricking it? Its less than 2 weeks away.
I get the homebrew scene but the downloading roms or hacking doesn't seem very necessary considering this is a newer console.

Ritoo said:

So it seems that some pirated copies of smash run in the wild are malicious modified and bricking people switch's ,like happened with pokemon,not all ,but the risk is to high at the moment for the people pirating games on the system

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You know, there is absolutely no honour in pirates. Or are these people some sort of crusaders/vigilantes who are getting their own back on the pirates?

MOTHGOD said:

With Smash, why don't people just wait instead of potentially bricking it? Its less than 2 weeks away.
I get the homebrew scene but the downloading roms or hacking doesn't seem very necessary considering this is a newer console.

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Waiting 2 weeks until official release to pirate it is still piracy though. These people don't want to spend £60 on Smash, regardless.

Ritoo said:

So it seems that some pirated copies of smash run in the wild are malicious modified and bricking people switch's ,like happened with pokemon,not all ,but the risk is to high at the moment for the people pirating games on the system

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I'm actually surprised this does not happen more.

Yes,maybe some people prefer the risk of burning 300$ dollars switch

Kingpin722 said:

Pirates have always been in the minority, but with access to games becoming increasingly more convenient (digital, "Netflix" like subs, streaming, etc.) as time progress, piracy is likely to diminish even more.

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As far as I understand piracy is a huge thing in the mobile world, so I don't really think it's a matter of digital delivery being more convenient that is going to stop pirates.

Some people simply want to gain access to videogames with as little money as possible. And that little most of the time equals to zero. :-\

Nintendo should just unlock my eShop preload right now.

Turrican3 said:

As far as I understand piracy is a huge thing in the mobile world, so I don't really think it's a matter of digital delivery being more convenient that is going to stop pirates.

Some people simply want to gain access to videogames with as little money as possible. And that little most of the time equals to zero. :-\

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Yes, even with 1 dollar games at digital mobile shop ,people go and grab free pirated copy ,some full of virus

Pablo Mesa said:

good old "freedom", but when piracy and cheating becomes rampant, its no longer their problem.

this "freedoms" or whatever are rights/ luxuries that people lost when they proved they could not use em right, you think Nintendo or any company by that matter would care random people do job for em for free? of course not, but the hacking scene is not responsible nor care for the impact of their works (directly or indirectly) and so companies start to play back harder. Switch lack of physical back up and web browser is "luxury" we lost.


kinda, they still have compassion and ban in lower levels like only the the game specific online. nor out right full console credential bans.

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Nintendo can do what it wants

Im not against Nintendo taking the steps it does

However when it comes to the law and the products I own I stand firmly on the side of the consumer

I dont give two shits about what you consider a luxury or Nintendo's bottom line. They dont pay me and they dont get to tell me I cant modify something I own. As long as I am within the law Then I continue to support and appreciate what these hackers accomplish.

DrROBschiz said:

Nintendo can do what it wants

Im not against Nintendo taking the steps it does

However when it comes to the law and the products I own I stand firmly on the side of the consumer

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So that means that you're okay with full ban credentials + profile blacklist on consoles when they're hacked no matter for what motive, right?

janoGX said:

So that means that you're okay with full ban credentials + profile blacklist on consoles when they're hacked no matter for what motive, right?

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Not on principle but unless I'm in a country where I can legally challenge it then I just have to avoid it

If and when I do hack my console it will likely be when its "end of life" and I would likely not take it online at all

So Atmosphere now supports 6.2.0

https://i.redd.it/r26hvty0tm021.jpg

HOWEVER ...... you need to provide your own keys (it's illegal for anyone to distribute them) and there's currently no way for you to obtain them. Checkmate.

SwitchedOff said:

So Atmosphere now supports 6.2.0

https://i.redd.it/r26hvty0tm021.jpg

HOWEVER ...... you need to provide your own keys (it's illegal for anyone to distribute them) and there's currently no way for you to obtain them. Checkmate.

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Lol.
That's certainly a way of doing it.

People overestimate how many people hack their consoles. I'm willing to bet there are less than 1% of switch owners who do this.

SwitchedOff said:

So Atmosphere now supports 6.2.0

https://i.redd.it/r26hvty0tm021.jpg

HOWEVER ...... you need to provide your own keys (it's illegal for anyone to distribute them) and there's currently no way for you to obtain them. Checkmate.

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What's different as compared to before? I apologize for being ignorant, but I have no idea what is a key in that context, so I do not understand why it suddenly is a problem.

Replicant said:

People overestimate how many people hack their consoles. I'm willing to bet there are less than 1% of switch owners who do this.

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Even if that was the case (and there is no way of knowing) that's still well over 200k.

steviejd1 said:

Even if that was the case (and there is no way of knowing) that's still well over 200k.

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Yeah I suppose you are right...perhaps 1% is too high. It's probably way less than that.

I'm not advocating it either. The only consoles I've ever hacked were the psp and the wii. I only did the wii recently to preserve and backup my Eshop games.

Replicant said:

Yeah I suppose you are right...perhaps 1% is too high. It's probably way less than that.

I'm not advocating it either. The only consoles I've ever hacked were the psp and the wii. I only did the wii recently to preserve and backup my Eshop games.

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There's nothing wrong with hacking a console imo and it's interesting to see what talented people can come up with for exploits and homebrew, it's just there are a few idiots in the hacking community (not giving credit for code, piracy, cheating etc that spoil it for everyone and those "few" are enough for it to be a problem.

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What's different as compared to before? I apologize for being ignorant, but I have no idea what is a key in that context, so I do not understand why it suddenly is a problem.

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Scires (and ReSwitched in general) cannot and will not distribute the key as they do not do copyright infringement which is what distributing the key would entail (and is strictly illegal and any one who does "leak" the key is actually putting themselves in an exceptionally bad position legally speaking). They also won't "accidentally" leak the key to someone else to leak, and as of right now only a small handful of people know the flaw, its execution, or have access to the keys, and all of them are either (a.) not going to leak it, (b.) have quit the scene with public releases beyond PoC because their work was taken to do nothing other than piracy, or (c.) both (a.) and (b.).

(If the key magically leaks online, also, it becomes rather obvious where it came from as only ReSwitched/Switchbrew have shown any PoC, and they're easy to find.)

In the past RCM flaw made it trivial to give users a program to dump the keys because the flaw was ubiquitous and public (so nothing is lost when making the tools). The current flaw is software and can be patched, and no one wants to burn it, so that's not a viable method of giving out tools to dump keys. The moment they share the flaw, it will be "burned" and lost come another firmware update and putting everything back to square 1.

So no key = cracked 6.2 but no way to use it.

steviejd1 said:

There's nothing wrong with hacking a console imo and it's interesting to see what talented people can come up with for exploits and homebrew, it's just there are a few idiots in the hacking community (not giving credit for code, piracy, cheating etc that spoil it for everyone and those "few" are enough for it to be a problem.

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Said idiots have chased away key members like Naerwert. He no longer releases *anything* because the moment he had before, it was immediately turned into a backup loader for piracy. So he just told the scene to shove it and left.