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Seeya

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Welp, looks like Venom still has that ADRENALINE MOMENTUM
If Venom's success leads to Sony taking away Spidey from the MCU I'm gonna be so pissed though, even though I enjoyed the movie
Thankfully, I don't think that will happen (famous last words)

If anything I think the success helps them keep Spider-Man in the MCU. It helps Sony tremendously in getting eyes on their Spider-Man offshoot projects and I don't think Sony would want to give that up.

Pull him out and the Venom verse gets regulated to that potential ASM level status.

For many people, the combination of Spider-Man being MCU, A Marvel logo at the start, and a Stan Lee cameo (ignoring that Sony started those), means that Venom IS MCU. This gives their 'MCU adjacent' stuff instant credibility, along with Venom being a massive international success in every market on the planet.

Now give me a black cat film and let that Kraven film be as good as it sounds.

What I'm betting though is that Sony and Marvel are hashing our some very complex rules for in what ways Spider-Man can appear in Venomverse stuff, and the other way around, including a final saw heirarchy as well as checks and balances.

Don't forget this RDJ tweet, similar to how he tweeted out a Spidey pic before Civil War.

Dsn6zFLUwAA8W1n.jpg


Let the puritanical overboard MCU fanboys whine, I'm sure that Marvel is smart enough to see potential and which way the wind is blowing. They began this relationship due to that, afterall.

Technically, Sony can pretty much do whatever they want and have most of the power here since the agreement between the two companies has been put into place. It behooves Marvel to play ball and set up frameworks that give them oversight.

And I think they've also seen that while Sonys' overall production may have issues, that they're being very smart with the leads attached and the core approach. This is something that has been consistent since Rothman took over and Sony is in the process of a massive turn around because of it.
 
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If I was Universal, I'd be moving Mortal Engines to December 7th. Just some limited release openings and maybe some prestige film expansions that weekend. They could maybe squeak out a Number 1 opening.

Edit: though this probably would have needed doing earlier in the month or more likely in October.
 

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The final 30 mins of FB2 are legitimately good. The problem is you spend 2 hours of convoluted scene switching where nothing really happens to get to that point. 80% of the movie simply exists as padding to get to the final 20% that sets up the sequel.
 

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The FB concept was such a weird idea for a 5 film prequel series. Only the most hardcore Potter fans even know who Grindelwald is.
 

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BTTF 2 does a pretty great job giving you a satisfying ending, while setting up the sequel. Probably the third I can think of

Nowadays, when you can just go from one right to the next, then yeah, maybe, I can see it.

But sitting in the theater and watching that bullshit happen in real time in front of me? Still leaves a bad taste whenever I think about it. I really, really don't like that movie and I never saw the third one until sometime in the mid-90s when I happened to watch it at a friend's house.
 

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If anything I think the success helps them keep Spider-Man in the MCU. It helps Sony tremendously in getting eyes on their Spider-Man offshoot projects and I don't think Sony would want to give that up.

Pull him out and the Venom verse gets regulated to that potential ASM level status.

For many people, the combination of Spider-Man being MCU, A Marvel logo at the start, and a Stan Lee cameo (ignoring that Sony started those), means that Venom IS MCU. This gives their 'MCU adjacent' stuff instant credibility, along with Venom being a massive international success in every market on the planet.

Now give me a black cat film and let that Kraven film be as good as it sounds.

What I'm betting though is that Sony and Marvel are hashing our some very complex rules for in what ways Spider-Man can appear in Venomverse stuff, and the other way around, including a final saw heirarchy as well as checks and balances.

Don't forget this RDJ tweet, similar to how he tweeted out a Spidey pic before Civil War.

Dsn6zFLUwAA8W1n.jpg


Let the puritanical overboard MCU fanboys whine, I'm sure that Marvel is smart enough to see potential and which way the wind is blowing. They began this relationship due to that, afterall.

Technically, Sony can pretty much do whatever they want and have most of the power here since the agreement between the two companies has been put into place. It behooves Marvel to play ball and set up frameworks that give them oversight.

And I think they've also seen that while Sonys' overall production may have issues, that they're being very smart with the leads attached and the core approach. This is something that has been consistent since Rothman took over and Sony is in the process of a massive turn around because of it.
Have we got China weekends actuals? How they compare to JW2 or Avengers?
 

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For many people, the combination of Spider-Man being MCU, A Marvel logo at the start, and a Stan Lee cameo (ignoring that Sony started those), means that Venom IS MCU.

Stan Lee had a cameo in X-Men.

What I'm betting though is that Sony and Marvel are hashing our some very complex rules for in what ways Spider-Man can appear in Venomverse stuff, and the other way around, including a final saw heirarchy as well as checks and balances.

I don't think so. They've proven that Venom can work (or at least, make money) without Spider-Man.

Don't forget this RDJ tweet, similar to how he tweeted out a Spidey pic before Civil War.

Dsn6zFLUwAA8W1n.jpg

Robert Downey does not run his own social media account, that picture the account tweeted out means literally nothing and it never teased Spider-Man coming into the MCU.

Not that Spider-Man in the Venomverse can't happen, though I personally doubt it, but I'm not sure why you're bringing up that RDJ stuff.
 

Seeya

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Have we got China weekends actuals? How they compare to JW2 or Avengers?

I was debating waiting until Tuesday for the DOM actuals (I'm expecting a bounce) but I'm making that post right now my dude :)

Edit Venom has outperformed both in Yuan obvi.
 
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Seeya

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Noobie !

China update:

Venom weekend 3 versus Infinity War and Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom

Venom: 19.33M -62.2%
(4.47M/8.81M/6.05M)

Infinity War BOM data: 17.75M -63.2%

Infinity War Gavin's per day method: 17.99M -67.14%

Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom: 14.90M -56.4%

What Infinity War and Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom Earned from this point.

Infinity War BOM 25.78M
Infinity War Gavin**** 40.73M
Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom 28.50M

Up to day 38 with three weeks left in its run. Actual using this method is 379.5M which would put that number at 44.13M.

Venom performing as _____ from third weekend onward

Infinity War BOM 267.18M
Infinity War Gavin 282.13M
Infinity War Gavin full 286.53M
Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom 269.9M

Keeping in mind that Venom continuously is out performing those films (with a worse exchange rate at boot) and Aquaman does not release in China until the 3rd.

If we assume that the weekend drop represents the whole week (though Venom performs worse WoW during weekdays), Venom would earn a total 27.53M for the week. Venom earned 19.33M over the weekend, Venom would earn another 8.20M Monday to Thursday.

This would push it to 249.60M going into its 4th weekend. Considering that Venom was barely 3rd this weekend, it should still be in the top 5 when Aquaman hits. This placement will help it retain showings.
 
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Seeya

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I don't think so. They've proven that Venom can work (or at least, make money) without Spider-Man.

Robert Downey does not run his own social media account, that picture the account tweeted out means literally nothing and it never teased Spider-Man coming into the MCU.

Not that Spider-Man in the Venomverse can't happen, though I personally doubt it, but I'm not sure why you're bringing up that RDJ stuff.

Wouldn't his twitter account being corporate add weight to it randomly posting a picture of Venom with MCU mainstays? It's the perfect 'guess who's coming to dinner' peice of art.

Things like Venoms rating and where it took place were specifically decided upon to integrate well with Homecoming.

Don't forget that Kevin Feige called this world salad the perfect response:

Here's what we're doing: all these characters are a part of the Marvel comic book universe. In that universe, they are all related to each other. Kevin [Feige] makes characters in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. These characters are separate, except for Spidey, who belongs in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is why he's there.

Which leaves the door open for Spidey to bridge between the two, by definition he is not seperate.

In the end, I agree that there's no reason to rush things, but MCU Spider-Man is more likely than unlikely to interact at some point.

The current plans for Kraven are to feature Spider-Man prominently, and up until now Sony has not wanted to contradict the MCU Tom Holland cannon of it being connected to their own stuff. Not that they don't have ample work arounds. It may even be better in the long run (until plans change) to just make Venom the Spider-Man of the Venomverse.
 
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If anything I think the success helps them keep Spider-Man in the MCU. It helps Sony tremendously in getting eyes on their Spider-Man offshoot projects and I don't think Sony would want to give that up.

Pull him out and the Venom verse gets regulated to that potential ASM level status.

For many people, the combination of Spider-Man being MCU, A Marvel logo at the start, and a Stan Lee cameo (ignoring that Sony started those), means that Venom IS MCU. This gives their 'MCU adjacent' stuff instant credibility, along with Venom being a massive international success in every market on the planet.

Now give me a black cat film and let that Kraven film be as good as it sounds.

What I'm betting though is that Sony and Marvel are hashing our some very complex rules for in what ways Spider-Man can appear in Venomverse stuff, and the other way around, including a final saw heirarchy as well as checks and balances.

Don't forget this RDJ tweet, similar to how he tweeted out a Spidey pic before Civil War.

Dsn6zFLUwAA8W1n.jpg


Let the puritanical overboard MCU fanboys whine, I'm sure that Marvel is smart enough to see potential and which way the wind is blowing. They began this relationship due to that, afterall.

Technically, Sony can pretty much do whatever they want and have most of the power here since the agreement between the two companies has been put into place. It behooves Marvel to play ball and set up frameworks that give them oversight.

And I think they've also seen that while Sonys' overall production may have issues, that they're being very smart with the leads attached and the core approach. This is something that has been consistent since Rothman took over and Sony is in the process of a massive turn around because of it.


We gonna just ignore the fact that Kamala is in this pic?
 

ZeoVGM

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Wouldn't his twitter account being corporate add weight to it randomly posting a picture of Venom with MCU mainstays? It's the perfect 'guess who's coming to dinner' peice of art.

It isn't "corporate" in terms of being run by Marvel or Disney. It's run by RDJ's team. It has nothing to do with Venom being put into the MCU.
 

Seeya

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It isn't "corporate" in terms of being run by Marvel or Disney. It's run by RDJ's team. It has nothing to do with Venom being put into the MCU.

To be that definitive is something we can't know, as it has been used for official marvel content/teases in the past, like when they teased the big avengers news with that puzzle.

I think that the most Marvel will ever agree to is to allow cameos by Holland but who knows.
 
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Seeya

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No.



There is literally zero chance that this was a tease of Venom being put into the MCU.

It is the person who runs RDJ's Twitter account putting up a Thanksgiving-themed Marvel picture that they found on Google. Because it was Thanksgiving.


I'm going to laugh if anything ever does come to pass. Laugh and laugh and laugh. :O
 
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Noobie

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China update:

Venom weekend 3 versus Infinity War and Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom

Venom: 19.33M -62.2%
(4.47M/8.81M/6.05M)

Infinity War BOM data: 17.75M -63.2%

Infinity War Gavin's per day method: 17.99M -67.14%

Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom: 14.90M -56.4%

What Infinity War and Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom Earned from this point.

Infinity War BOM 25.78M
Infinity War Gavin**** 40.73M
Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom 28.50M

Up to day 38 with three weeks left in its run. Actual using this method is 379.5M which would put that number at 44.13M.

Venom performing as _____ from third weekend onward

Infinity War BOM 267.18M
Infinity War Gavin 282.13M
Infinity War Gavin full 286.53M
Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom 269.9M

Keeping in mind that Venom continuously is out performing those films (with a worse exchange rate at boot) and Aquaman does not release in China until the 3rd.

If we assume that the weekend drop represents the whole week (though Venom performs worse WoW during weekdays), Venom would earn a total 27.53M for the week. Venom earned 19.33M over the weekend, Venom would earn another 8.20M Monday to Thursday.

This would push it to 249.60M going into its 4th weekend. Considering that Venom was barely 3rd this weekend, it should still be in the top 5 when Aquaman hits. This placement will help it retain showings.
Thank you
So venom will hit between 850-860 WW at the end of it's run
 
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ZeoVGM

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Anyway, the important thing is that Marvel finally has something DC has had for a while: a huge hit that also happens to be one of the worst films of the year.

So that's something DC and Marvel fans can bond over.
 

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Anyway, the important thing is that Marvel finally has something DC has had for a while: a huge hit that also happens to be one of the worst films of the year.

So that's something DC and Marvel fans can bond over.
Venom isn't a great movie, but it is far from one of the worst films of the year. It is a competently made film that is not that good when you think about it, but is actually stupid fun and enjoyable. And sometimes, that is all that people want. The box office reflects that.
 

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Venom isn't a great movie, but it is far from one of the worst films of the year. It is a competently made film that is not that good when you think about it, but is actually stupid fun and enjoyable.

I don't agree. I think it's a poorly written and strangely edited film. As one of the reviews mentioned, it felt like Tom Hardy thought he was in a slapstick comedy and everyone else was trying to make an actual film.

And sometimes, that is all that people want. The box office reflects that.

Revenge of the Fallen was not "fun and enjoyable" but did well at the box office. Suicide Squad also was not "fun and enjoyable."

I'm not sure why we need to make excuses for poorly made movies. There's nothing wrong with liking them but Venom is absolutely one of the year's worst big releases.
 

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Venom isn't a great movie, but it is far from one of the worst films of the year. It is a competently made film that is not that good when you think about it, but is actually stupid fun and enjoyable. And sometimes, that is all that people want. The box office reflects that.
I don't like the whole "it's a stupid movie, just chillax and enjoy it". To put it succinctly:
https://youtu.be/yUUFyt5Emc4?t=247
 

Seeya

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I don't like the whole "it's a stupid movie, just chillax and enjoy it". To put it succinctly:
https://youtu.be/yUUFyt5Emc4?t=247

I would never in a million years compare Venom, idiosyncratic and tonally inattentive as it is, to the sheer by the numbers incoherent spectacle monotony of a Transformers movie.

I don't agree. I think it's a poorly written and strangely edited film. As one of the reviews mentioned, it felt like Tom Hardy thought he was in a slapstick comedy and everyone else was trying to make an actual film.

Revenge of the Fallen was not "fun and enjoyable" but did well at the box office. Suicide Squad also was not "fun and enjoyable."

I'm not sure why we need to make excuses for poorly made movies. There's nothing wrong with liking them but Venom is absolutely one of the year's worst big releases.

EDIT: was mixing up transformers movies, MB.

China saved Revenge of the Fallen, it had big drops compared to the last entry. Suicide Squad got 'decent' legs off of a summer release with like nothing to compete with it. Venom has thrived in an extremely competitive market that has had multiple strong releases. It has also had the legs to outperform almost every other CBM in international markets. None of the films you mentioned have user ratings as high as Venom.

Tom Hardy acting it as a slapstick comedy is one of the things that the general audiences loved. I think he absolutely nailed reinterpreting Eddie as a twitchy strange guy who was never suited to climb up the traditional ladder of success. The script kind of didn't do it justice, but it seemed like he was selfish/closed off to criticism because of it. The script did do a good ish job with explaining Venoms' personality, with his first line being 'you're making us look bad!' only to say that where he comes from he's kind of treated like a joke. This coming after Venom was harping on Eddie for being a loser the whole time. I thought that was a nice touch.

I looked at it as Tom Hardy reading into what was already in the script, not playing against the film. That approach, as well as the two of them being misfits is like the only way that I think you could make a Venom movie work without the usual setup. Different strokes I guess.
 
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I don't like the whole "it's a stupid movie, just chillax and enjoy it". To put it succinctly:
https://youtu.be/yUUFyt5Emc4?t=247
I don't always like the "turn off your brain" thinking, but sometimes I do. I might have been in the perfect mood for Venom, so a second viewing might be a "Wtf was I thinking?" experience. But there are plenty of dumb shit movies I thoroughly enjoy.
 
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