-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
Joe Rogan defends Gavin McInnes
- Thread starter BWoog
- Start date
What are your feelings on Joe Rogan and this specific topic? Do you have any? Or did you just come into this thread to bitch and moan about the prevalence of Joe Rogan threads?
Edit: I see the post you made. I have to say, regardless of my feelings about Rogan and his propensity to completely sidestep condemning this sort of behavior, I'm going to question your judgment in thinking he's a good interviewer.
Nah could have just been someone fed up with having to see new threads on his idiocy
For many, probably even most white people racism or bigotry born out of stupidity or ignorance is not bigotry. There are tons of posts on this thread, I am sure from only white people, who say Rogen is not bigoted, just stupid.
Bernie got into a lot of trouble touching on a similar thing, implying how lots of people swayed by racist rhetoric are not racists.
My white GF is similar. She always tells me to correct peoples negative perceptions. Whether you have negative ideas about other groups due to your xenophobic disposition or due to being easily swayed/gullible, you're still a bigot at the end of the day. Especially as far as POC are concerned.
Bernie got into a lot of trouble touching on a similar thing, implying how lots of people swayed by racist rhetoric are not racists.
My white GF is similar. She always tells me to correct peoples negative perceptions. Whether you have negative ideas about other groups due to your xenophobic disposition or due to being easily swayed/gullible, you're still a bigot at the end of the day. Especially as far as POC are concerned.
I couldn't help myself but I had to listen to the episode of his show directly after the Destiny debate. He painted it as a win (as did his incel fans). He's a straight up moron with ideas a 10 year old would come up with. I guess that's what Libertarians are right?
The other embarrassing thing is how he is buddying up with the gamer gate crowd. I feel so stupid for ever listening to his podcast not realising he's a moron and a bad person.
Destiny knows how to debate Alt-Right well, because he kinda emulates the 'attack, never defend' mindset which is the only way to respond to folks who argue in bad-faith. The downside is that there is almost nothing of value gained from this kind of debate.
What is? People defending white supremacists on here and getting zero recourse? I agree.
Providing cover and a platform for white supremacy is an endorsement of white supremacy. Period.
Edit: I'm talking about Rogan's podcast providing a platform, not Era.
Last edited:
I think the day that I actively seek out Joe Rogan's opinion on literally anything I would have to neck myself. McIness or no McIness.
Excuses can't be made for Rogan at this point. I don't believe he's stupid enough to not to know McInnes is a violent white supremacist. Like many shitheel youtubers, he's an enabler and he knows alt-right pseudo-intellectuals bring the clicks. But yeah, the man with the silly mustache is just being a goof.
Yup. Dick leaning into the MAGA bullshit is an understatement. He's constantly having gamergaters on (from Sargon to Mister Metokur to one of the leading gamergaters who got arrested for threatening women). He's a terrible person who hides behind the "it's just satire" and "free speech means free of consequence". His fans are these hateful MAGA incels who worship him.
Joe Rogan is not that extreme but I see a lot of similarities where he hides behind the "I'm just asking questions".
OP
OP
Ugggg Pat from the Best Friend's girlfriend writes for this asshole.
"You're using all these argument tricks!"
"You mean facts?"
Thanks for the information, I hadn't followed any of this and really only remember boogie for the stupid Warcraft vids.
Yeah that's too far. Don't want to get the little guys hopes up this close to Christmas.
Paige is honestly why I stopped watching TBF. It skeeves me to watch the content of people who associate with someone so ingrained in the alt-right. That and some of the rightish comments they've made themselves throughout the years.
It's why I don't really watch/listen to Rogan or his podcast either. Tbf tho, I never did in the first place.
It's just something I do on principle.
He was a decent stand up comic and played himself in a beloved sitcom and then just played himself
Yeah, sometimes the moderation leave much to be desired in their handling of obvious bigots, I recently caught a two day ban for tone. I don't believe a lot of minorities will keep putting up with this shit and ultimately pack their shit and leave the site.
I dont pay much attention to him, but everyone Ive met who likes Rogan is an asshole, so I just assumed he was racist. Never fails.
Never forget him defending GamerGators that were at the time literally harassing women (and men) into hiding and suicide.
I really like Joe Rogan most of the time but I can't help but to shake my head at times like this. Wish he would stick to talking about MMA, hunting, drugs, workouts and chimpanzees to be honest.
Someone said earlier that he's being used by the alt-right and I think they might be right - I don't think Joe's smart enough to realise that they're leeching off of him and using JRE as a platform to broadcast their stupid views. Other times, I do like it when he's on the ball (eg. Candice Owens podcast where she got buried)
Someone said earlier that he's being used by the alt-right and I think they might be right - I don't think Joe's smart enough to realise that they're leeching off of him and using JRE as a platform to broadcast their stupid views. Other times, I do like it when he's on the ball (eg. Candice Owens podcast where she got buried)
He's all over the place all the time. The other day he was destroying Trump for going after Michelle Wolf and praising Wolf for her hilarious tweet in response to Trump. He mocks what he calls "MAGA morons" all the time, and then feeds them the bullshit they love when he defends shitbags like Gavin. I don't think he's alt-right at all. I think he's a dangerous moron though a lot of the time. And the more he interjects that stupidity into interviews with people that have nothing to do with right vs left, I lose more and more interest in his podcast.
Defending them is fucking cringey, but I'm actually not against him interviewing people like Gavin Mcinnes and Milo Yiannololous simply because you get a chance to confront and understand views like that without seeking their content out and giving them clicks. Whether we like it or not, a lot of people share those perspectives, and I feel like it's better to understand how they think to prepare with how to deal with them Irl instead of being oblivious to those views and the newer forms they take.
There's no evidence that this approach actually works. All it's doing is amplifying their views.
Nailed it. He's dumb and has no idea the shit he's doing.
You're relying on Rogan to "confront" and maybe even "question" and that's not going to happen. The result is he just has "a talk" and "a talk" is all these dirtbags need to be normalized.
my brother is someone who is always defending Joe rogan.
when I said he has a large disparrity in who he has on inregards to alt right and everyone else.
my brother said NO SEE, spent 15 minutes going through his podcasts to find one that wasnt an alt righter.
----------
Rogan is an alt righter.
when I said he has a large disparrity in who he has on inregards to alt right and everyone else.
my brother said NO SEE, spent 15 minutes going through his podcasts to find one that wasnt an alt righter.
----------
Rogan is an alt righter.
I hope you're pushing for Rogan to debate with ISIS and non white terrorists, I mean it's clearly the only way to defeat their noxious ideologies, right?
People with ideologies like that have multiple options for a platform right now whether anyone likes it or not. Ideally they would be pressured to mostly appear in moderated discussions where their views are challenged (as opposed to conservative outlets) but I think there's also value in a show like Rogan's where they're allowed to speak more freely as long as they're taken to task for it later.
I hope in the long run Rogan more clearly denounces guests like Mcinnis, Peterson and Yiannopolous like he eventually did with some of his other fucked up guests in the past, but he's clearly more interested in tapdancing around their rhetoric for now in favor of not alienating a large portion of his fanbase. I think it's a garbage thing to do unless he's working towards calling them out, which is something that several center left public figures have started doing lately.
The deplatforming of Alex Jones says otherwise. With no avenue to present rhetoric, people stop paying attention. His views have dropped enormously and you never hear about him anymore which is what needs to be achieved. Rogan's show is the one "legitimate" outlet that the alt-right hangs its hat on to creep into the sphere of mainstream listeners. Someone won't go to the Alex Jones website but they were exposed to Alex Jones and Rogan saying "he's just a funny guy."
They do not listen or care. This is the one thing that people need to understand: they never will. They will not learn, especially now their supreme leader in Trump emboldens them to do and think whatever they want and damn the critiques.
Rogan putting them on equal footing normalizes them. It says "hey lets just listen to what they have to say" and that's how things get worse, not better. Why do we want to listen to them? Why does Rogan want to listen to them? And before anyone of his defenders says "he's just a curious guy who wants to hear different views" please go ahead and fuck off.
He will never do this because he lacks conversation skills and the intelligence to drive an interview. It's a rambling shitshow of ideas and when you start throwing in Milo alongside a Neil Degrasse Tyson it just makes Milo look better and NDT look worse.
Alex Jones was popular and successful with right wingers for many, many years before his noted appearance on Rogan's podcast. Notice how the more brightly the public spotlight shone on him, the quicker he was viewed as a problem, and then dealt with.
Another example is how that Milo guy lost his book deal and most of his career momentum when he said something dumb on a podcast. He took his IRL Bruno provocateur shtick a bit too far, even for right wingers, by defending pedophiles and it was downhill from there. And when Richard Spencer agreed to an interview with a host on CNN and flat out contradicted his earlier statements of not disliking black people by expressing black people aren't allowed at his parties, it was the beginning of the end for him.
So I continue to think that exposure of people with problematic views in a public setting via a non judgemental conversation can be a useful part of the deplatforming process. Publicly revealing extreme views as objectively as possible can prevent innocent people from being doxxed and make it harder for those harboring them to hide in plain sight.
I think it's possible Rogan might still denounce some of his more problematic guests and I hope he does. Unfortunately at this point it's a bit late, and either way, you can't help but lose some respect for him for not doing it sooner.
Last edited:
You come across like you're lecturing everyone else like you've come across some universal truth. It's simple, Alex Jones became irrelevant when you couldn't listen to him on Apple podcasts or watch him on YouTube.
Richard Spencer was punched in the face. Since then no one could ever take his rhetoric seriously. Also a 16 year old Canadian woman took down Milo for being a pedophilia defender.
Debating Nazism as if it needs to be debated is stupid. There is nothing objective about acting like certain groups of people don't deserve to exist. There's no reason to debate it. It's simply wrong. What the fuck is the point of even talking about it?
Your whole point is about debating the rhetoric. Rogan doesn't do that. All Rogan does is let them advertise it.
I can't decide if you're naive or disingenuous but either way you are illogical and flat out wrong.
Those people want you to invite them on to "confront" them. It's their lifeblood. The only way to actually stamp them out is to deplatform them and give them no attention at all.
The alt-right is the perfect embodiment of "all press is good press"
In theory? Good idea. Have them on and have a debate.
In practice? Doesn't work at all. Joe is nice to his guests--which is fine--but he doesn't push them on their bullshit views.
I heard he pushed back against Candace Owens a bit, but aside from that, he's having a regular conversation with people who have terrible views and not really confronting those views.
And sometimes it's piss-easy to poke holes in those views! Jordan Peterson went on there once and made a comment like "women aren't going after the vast majority of men, so women should disperse themselves better amongst men to be fair to men" and Rogan just went "wait, isn't that basically Neo-Marxism?" And Peterson folded like a fucking lawn chair.
Have people like Milo on, people like Ben Shapiro. But call them out on their bullshit, don't just accept their stupid-ass ideas as they come.
Something something "overton window"
