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Slayven

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Marvel can thank Sony for making marvel Super hero Movies popular with original Spider-man trilogy.
Made them popular then unpolular in one trilogy
It's audience was likely heavily cannibalized by Ralph and Grinch, no? All being said, it looks like it will come closer to the 800 ww mark of it's predecessor (if its around 450 million already).
I love the Grinch but no way is it a bigger IP then HP
 

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They're about to make similar numbers with Venom as Homecoming which was backed by an RDJ-saturated marketing campaign, warm reception to Holland's portrayal off Civil War, and the general buzz of Spider-Man's first and long-awaited introduction into the MCU.

Oh, and with a significantly smaller budget.

Venom 2 ft. Carnage will outgross Far From Home, I'll bet.

Why does it matter

I don't think that there is much that you can read into China. XXX3, Warcraft, Rampage, and Resident Evil 6 are also bigger than all of the solo superhero films there. China does its own thing.

Sony China and Tencent did an excellent job selling the film to local audiences. Sony partnering with them was smart business.

Those first three are all me

I AM THE TASTEMAKER
 

Phamit

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Iraq war Robin Hood bombed?
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It's audience was likely heavily cannibalized by Ralph and Grinch, no? All being said, it looks like it will come closer to the 800 ww mark of it's predecessor (if its around 450 million already).

Fantastic Beasts 1 was already at $475M by this point. Also China launched a week later for FB1, and will go on to make quite a bit more.

Subtracting China, it was $220M for FB1 vs $216M for FB2 last weekend, and $435M for FB1 vs $389M for FB2 this weekend. $800M is dead. $700M is looking unlikely.
 

berzeli

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Assorted international numbers courtesy of Screen International:
Steve McQueen's heist drama Widows added $4.6m from 43 for $13m, sparked by a $793,000 number five debut in Australia, and a $636,000 number four launch in Russia. McQueen's home turf the UK has returned $6.8m after three weekends.
Bohemian Rhapsody crossed $300m as $38m from 69 markets pushed the international running total for the Queen and Freddie Mercury drama to $320.1m. The film remains in good voice in its key markets. South Korea climbed 80% over opening weekend to add $8.7m for $36.4m after four, while Japanese audiences rewarded the film with a $3.7m hold for $20.9m after three. France produced $3m for $23.4m after four, while the UK generated $2.8m for $50.6m after five.

In the fourth session, Bohemian Rhapsody grossed $2.4m for $20.3m in Australia, $2.3m for $17.2m in Germany, $1.8m for $16.4m in Spain, $1.2m for $7.3m in Holland, $1.1m for $18m in Mexico, $1.1m for $10.4m in Brazil, and $902,000 for $13.9m in Russia.
The UK sure does love their (Mc)Queen.
Second World War horror film Overlord produced by J.J. Abrams brought in $1.7m from 49 markets and stands at $17.5m. It opened in France on $834,000 at number five, and arrived in Vietnam on $139,000 in third place.
The Girl In The Spider's Web presented by presented by Columbia Pictures / MGM / New Regency added $2.8m from 51 for $16.9m
The international market won't save either of them.
Rowan Atkinson action comedy vehicle Johnny English Strikes Again has become the biggest hit internationally in the franchise after $12.2m from 42 active territories boosted the running total to $138.4m from 68 overall. An $11.4m debut in China delivered the territory highlight and ranked fourth. Germany has delivered $8.3m after six sessions, and the worldwide haul stands at $142.7m.
Yes I know I bolded the entire thing but come on. This being a bona fide hit is funnier than anything in the film.
 

Schlorgan

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They're about to make similar numbers with Venom as Homecoming which was backed by an RDJ-saturated marketing campaign, warm reception to Holland's portrayal off Civil War, and the general buzz of Spider-Man's first and long-awaited introduction into the MCU.

Oh, and with a significantly smaller budget.

Venom 2 ft. Carnage will outgross Far From Home, I'll bet.
Sony so far has had a pretty reliable track record of starting franchises, immediately planning multiple sequels and spin-offs and then not making it more than a couple of movies in before the whole thing crashes and burns.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Fantastic Beasts 1 was already at $475M by this point. $800M is dead. $700M is looking unlikely.
What are its chances of coming in under JL?
 
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It's audience was likely heavily cannibalized by Ralph and Grinch, no? All being said, it looks like it will come closer to the 800 ww mark of it's predecessor (if its around 450 million already).

Grinch has been out for a week longer. If anything, FB should be cannibalizing Grinch. And if Ralph was cannibalizing any movie this week, it would have been The Grinch.
 

Playco Armboy

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Venom has taken Black Panther's crown of decent 2018 movie massively overachieving.

Nah, $700 million in North America is something absolutely no one predicted or even came close to predicting. Some optimistic folks pegged Venom at $700-750m prior to release off trailer hype. The biggest hopefuls for Black Panther were capped at Wonder Woman levels of domestic gross.

Shitting on Infinity War will forever be the greatest upset.
 

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Very happy to see Creed 2 perform that well.

I knew Robin Hood, it looked TERRIBLE. It looked like King Arthur which was such a garbage movie.

Can someone explain why Venom is doing that well ? It makes NO SENSE whatsoever. I'm lost.
 

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It looks like the kinda thing he signed on before he got big or something that was sitting on shelves for a while waiting for the lead to get big

I may be wrong but I pretty destinctly remember he signed on to Robin Hood a matter of months after kingsman. I do wonder if his agents weren't trying to push him out into something else kingsman-esque as soon as possible
 

MadLaughter

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Venom does not have any good characters, action scenes, jokes, dialogue, shots, or even Easter eggs. Eddie Brock is an absolute trash fire of a protagonist.
 

Toth

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Fantastic Beasts 1 was already at $475M by this point. Also China launched a week later for FB1, and will go on to make quite a bit more.

Subtracting China, it was $220M for FB1 vs $216M for FB2 last weekend, and $435M for FB1 vs $389M for FB2 this weekend. $800M is dead. $700M is looking unlikely.

So despite it's issues, it is still coming close to the first then? It will be very interesting to see how WB will try to fix the next one to try to draw more people back.
 

Raguel

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Venom is this year's suicide squad. Total trashfire of a shit movie that still made money. We have a few of these every year. Some people just like watching dumb shit
 

Bronx-Man

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Word of mouth is very good. To anyone outside of the era and movie critic/enthusiast echo chamber it is a good movie. Sony gives no fucks, and to be honest if I were them id take the same attitude. At the end of the day you make movies for audiences to watch not movie critics
By this logic, this would mean Suicide Squad is a good movie.
 

Reinhard

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Sony gettiny Venom to an eventual $850+ million gross is a bigger achievement than anything the MCU's done save for Black Panther, to be honest.

Say what you want about Sony, but they absolutely schooled Feige here.
Venom did amazingly well for such a crap movie for some reason, but allot of the international gross relies on China where Sony gets less than 25% of ticket sales.
 

WetWaffle

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I keep saying it, the only places I've seen general shitting on venom is here, the Marvel movies subreddit, and some movie critics. This reeks of some "Everyone is wrong but me" shit. The public likes it, it grossed high, it's that simple.
 

ElBoxy

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Venom has been generating a lot of fan art on Twitter. Those artists helped Sony spread the word about it.
 

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By this logic, this would mean Suicide Squad is a good movie.

Who said suicide squad had good word of mouth? It's weekly drops alone would tell you that's not true. Let alone it's 60% audience score on rotten tomatoes, which is abysmal. Compare that to Venom's legs and and it's 80% audience score on rotten tomatoes. Also, I said word of mouth, no where did I say that Venom was a good movie

Edit: let me clarify, it's not a good movie by critic standards, and I find it a fun romp but not a particularly good film myself. But to the average person, they don't care what some critic has to say about a movie
 

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Who said suicide squad had good word of mouth? It's weekly drops alone would tell you that's not true. Let alone it's 60% audience score on rotten tomatoes, which is abysmal. Compare that to Venom's legs and and it's 80% audience score on rotten tomatoes. Also, I said word of mouth, no where did I say that Venom was a good movie

Edit: let me clarify, it's not a good movie by critic standards, and I find it a fun romp but not a particularly good film myself. But to the average person, they don't care what some critic has to say about a movie

I thought Suicide Squad had pretty good legs? That's how it made so much money (in the US at least)
 

shintoki

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Nah, Venom got shit on by critics because it wasn't Marvel with a lot of people hoping it bombs so Spidey can return to Marvel. It's not any worse than stuff like IM, Thor, Capt, Phase 1 Marvel. Has some issues, but there is a solid core to build upon there. SS was unfathomable shit where the sequel needs to be entirely overhauled to resemble nothing of the first to the point where it might as well be a reboot. It got lucky it was released at the end of summer.
 

Playco Armboy

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Nah, Venom got shit on by critics because it wasn't Marvel with a lot of people hoping it bombs so Spidey can return to Marvel. It's not any worse than stuff like IM, Thor, Capt, Phase 1 Marvel. Has some issues, but there is a solid core to build upon there. SS was unfathomable shit where the sequel needs to be entirely overhauled to resemble nothing of the first to the point where it might as well be a reboot. It got lucky it was released at the end of summer.

I think you seriously overestimate how much critics give a fuck about Marvel lmao
 
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