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Zetran

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"We all know with the scale of our games, and the systems we let you use, that unforeseen bugs and issues always come up. Given what we're doing with [Fallout] 76, we know we're opening everyone up to all new spectacular issues none of us have ever encountered. Some we're aware of, such as areas where performance needs to improve with lots of players. Others, we surely don't. We need your help finding them, and advice on what's important to fix. We'll address all of it, now and after launch."

I just had an interesting conversation with a friend (He works in a law firm).

He essentialy told me that Bethesda already did warn you about it. He goes further saying that if FO76 somehow erase all the data in your computer (you're losing your entire work project etc etc) or for whatever reason cause your computer to explode there is possibility that they could get away with it. This strike me that they already know the state of the game and instead delaying it decided to covered their ground. Note to Fans regarding spectacular bugs, using own launcher to denied refund, etc etc.
 
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Kaeden

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Where is the quote in the OP from, no link or source given.

edit: thx for adding the source
 
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Their games are always tore up from the floor up. They knew what they were doing, and their fans knew what they were doing, and they knew that their fans knew that they knew what they were doing, and their fans knew that they knew that their fans knew that they knew what they were doing. Nobody gives a shit. Nothing ever changes.
 

Derrick01

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This would hold the same weight a TOS would hold in court if they did something horrible and tried to say "well we told you it could happen and you agreed". It wouldn't go very well for the company.

That's also not counting the fact that every country has its own laws and what might protect them in 1 wouldn't protect them in 100 others.
 

MMarston

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Is it safe to say that this game is this year's Battlefront 2 controversy
 

Kaeden

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I can understand to some degree how performance on PC can be hard for them to get right due to all the various possible configurations but how does it happen on a console? I mean, they have access to the exact same equipment people will be using, how does the testing not happen with large players (internally) for them to not see what we see? Incompetence, laziness, something else? I would never expect a game to be completely bug-free, but this just seems like it went through very, very little QA.
 

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OP, it doesn't work like that and based on this I'd hope your friend isn't actually a lawyer...

The reality is that all games/software companies cover themselves for all the things mentioned in the OP via the terms of service they make you agree to before you can play/use the game/software. Example:

https://bethesda.net/en/document/terms-of-service

Everything you're looking for is in there and it would stand up in court because they would have it on record that you agreed to it. The "notes to fans" (or whatever they called it) is not that.
 

Dierce

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Looks like they should be paying players to beta test their games then. This is laughable if not insulting.
 

Mechaplum

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OP, it doesn't work like that and based on this I'd hope your friend isn't actually a lawyer...

The reality is that all games/software companies cover themselves for all the things mentioned in the OP via the terms of service they make you agree to before you can play/use the game/software. Example:

https://bethesda.net/en/document/terms-of-service

Everything you're looking for is in there and it would stand up in court because they would have it on record that you agreed to it. The "notes to fans" (or whatever they called it) is not that.

Actually even EULA doesn't always stand up in court, it has to be reasonable for both parties.
 

HMS_Pinafore

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This is a crazy thread based on crazy hypotheticals that make no sense, I get that the circle has to be jerked to a climax but let's keep the criticism to things that actually exist.
 
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Zetran

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OP, it doesn't work like that and based on this I'd hope your friend isn't actually a lawyer...

The reality is that all games/software companies cover themselves for all the things mentioned in the OP via the terms of service they make you agree to before you can play/use the game/software. Example:

https://bethesda.net/en/document/terms-of-service

Everything you're looking for is in there and it would stand up in court because they would have it on record that you agreed to it. The "notes to fans" (or whatever they called it) is not that.
Yeah he also ask me for this. But even then it doesn't always work? That's why I ask you guys
 

Medalion

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WE TOLD YOU IT WAS GONNA BE SHIT
YOU STILL BOUGHT IT
IT'S ON YOU BRAH

Being self-aware is not an excuse to continue to do it
 
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Just about every piece of software I've used over the decades has put into their EULA that the software is provided "as is" with no express warranty, etc. etc. You probably should be looking at the Fallout 76 EULA, not this letter which is not a legal agreement.
 

NinjaScooter

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It's not even remotely true and I'm hopeful your friend is not a practicing attorney in the U.S. if he believes this.

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ASaiyan

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This would hold the same weight a TOS would hold in court if they did something horrible and tried to say "well we told you it could happen and you agreed". It wouldn't go very well for the company.
Yup. Under U.S. law at least some of these provisions have little sway because there are certain rights that are presumed to be guaranteed and thus cannot be "signed away". If you went to an amusement park and died in a roller coaster accident the park would not get off scot-free just because the ticket had a liability waiver on the back, lol.

That is, assuming Fallout 76 caused actual harm to consumers, like destroying their PC. Which, by all accounts, it is certainly not doing.

The one case I can think of where that actually happened, was a Gurren Lagann MMO being published by an AAA company (I genuinely don't remember which). I'm a huge TTGL fan, so at the time, I was disappointed about not being able to get into the beta, which was Japan-only. But as it turned out, that beta was coded bad. Like, so bad it legit fried people's hard drives. The publisher pulled the game, profusely apologized, and sent the testers new 500GB hard drives (which was a lot of storage at the time) free of charge. I dunno if they ended up getting taken to court by anybody, but they did everything they could to preempt any lawsuits. They knew they were liable for damages.
 

ZhugeEX

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OP, it doesn't work like that and based on this I'd hope your friend isn't actually a lawyer...

The reality is that all games/software companies cover themselves for all the things mentioned in the OP via the terms of service they make you agree to before you can play/use the game/software. Example:

https://bethesda.net/en/document/terms-of-service

Everything you're looking for is in there and it would stand up in court because they would have it on record that you agreed to it. The "notes to fans" (or whatever they called it) is not that.

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