The Atheists That Frequent R/Atheism Are Scummy

faceless · Nov 24, 2018

maybe they should blow up a clinic that doesn't do abortions... fucking Atheists right?

edit: oh wait, that's right, i have to point out that this is sarcasm. i am not actually advocating for Atheists to blow up a clinic, i am just pointing out the vast gulf that exists between religious extremists and so-called radical atheists.

what's the kill count difference again???? millions? yeah.

Deleted member 13798 · Nov 24, 2018

That was the same tone as a lot of the posts in the original thread right here as well.

Anthony Mooch · Nov 24, 2018

I mean its funny how if you talk to yourself and say "I'M TALKING TO GOD" or "God Told me" Its perfectly fine but if its not god you get locked up in an insane asylum. Religion is terrible, though I do like the good place, no religion just a good place and bad place and ted danson torturing me for jeremy bearamy

Lkr · Nov 24, 2018

Vonnegut said:
You agree that John Chau got what he deserved?

I read that after he was shot and killed with arrows, his body was torn apart. I don't think he deserved that.

Also, I am of the opinion that the Sentinelese tribe is allowed to remain undisturbed because scientists want to study their culture from a distance. The Sentinelese tribe probably would benefit from modern medical advances and modern farming techniques and all sorts of modern inventions, but instead their anachronistic existence is fascinating to academics so we leave them alone.

We were born to a family with access to modern comforts by chance. Imagine being born to a Sentinelese mother. You would be surrounded by a world of modern civilizations who have decided that the best thing to do for you and your family is to watch you from a distance.

You're acting like these indigenous peoples are inferior because they are not "modern". In all honesty, given the history of what has happened to indigenous peoples, it is in the best interest of the tribe that modern humanity stays away.

Mauricio_Magus · Nov 24, 2018

AoM said:
Ah yes. We atheists are the problem. Always.

Damn those oppressed minorities!

Mahonay · Nov 24, 2018

Vonnegut said:
You agree that John Chau got what he deserved?

I read that after he was shot and killed with arrows, his body was torn apart. I don't think he deserved that.

Also, I am of the opinion that the Sentinelese tribe is allowed to remain undisturbed because scientists want to study their culture from a distance. The Sentinelese tribe probably would benefit from modern medical advances and modern farming techniques and all sorts of modern inventions, but instead their anachronistic existence is fascinating to academics so we leave them alone.

We were born to a family with access to modern comforts by chance. Imagine being born to a Sentinelese mother. You would be surrounded by a world of modern civilizations who have decided that the best thing to do for you and your family is to watch you from a distance.

He was there to try and force them to believe in Jesus, not teach them new farming techniques.

Trojita · Nov 24, 2018

Even the threads here on ERA were full of "Blood for the blood god"

Karasseram said:
He was a shit head for going there and risking the whole tribe which has no immunity against the diseases we are carriers of. It's fucking arrogant to think your going to wade in and be white savior no these people don't need your Jesus or your modern world they just need to be left alone.

He reaped what he sowed.

White? Why did you assume Chau was white?

samoyed · Nov 24, 2018

"I disagree with the rhetoric from r/atheism"

"Also imperialism is good we must bring the light of civilization to these savages"

Conor419 · Nov 24, 2018

chainlinkspiral said:
But maybe in some cases, the Darwin Awards exist for a reason, and fools should be held up as examples so others are encouraged to not repeat the same mistakes?

People laugh at death all the time. It is a natural response. If you witness a horrific accident in real time, as it's unfolding, that is the body and mind's way of coping.

Gallows humour exists for a reason, because it's been a part of human culture for a very long time.

Yeah but like, we tend to wait a bit; definitely beyond the mourning period of the family

Dook's Revenge · Nov 24, 2018

What's with the tone policing?

Unspoken90 · Nov 24, 2018

Same vibe to this forum when it comes to religion tbh.

Mauricio_Magus · Nov 24, 2018

Vonnegut said:
You agree that John Chau got what he deserved?

I read that after he was shot and killed with arrows, his body was torn apart. I don't think he deserved that.

Also, I am of the opinion that the Sentinelese tribe is allowed to remain undisturbed because scientists want to study their culture from a distance. The Sentinelese tribe probably would benefit from modern medical advances and modern farming techniques and all sorts of modern inventions, but instead their anachronistic existence is fascinating to academics so we leave them alone.

We were born to a family with access to modern comforts by chance. Imagine being born to a Sentinelese mother. You would be surrounded by a world of modern civilizations who have decided that the best thing to do for you and your family is to watch you from a distance.

He was there to bring them useless shit not medicine, come on.

He played a stupid game, won a stupid prize.

Conor419 said:
Yeah but like, we tend to wait a bit; definitely beyond the mourning period of the familiarly.

With the way news goes these days, we talk about things when it happened, and it's not like we're talking with the family members or people they knew, it's just news.

No one is going to remember or care about this in a month.

Palette Swap · Nov 24, 2018

I'm really wary of these atheist communities, but the missionary story isn't one I'd hang my hat on either.

Ebullientprism · Nov 24, 2018

samoyed said:
"I disagree with the rhetoric from r/atheism"

"Also imperialism is good we must bring the light of civilization to these savages"

Pretty much lol.

Karasseram · Nov 24, 2018

Trojita said:
Even the threads here on ERA were full of "Blood for the blood god"

White? Why did you assume Chau was white?

White savior as in the consept of white savior. It should be pretty clear.

ToddBonzalez · Nov 24, 2018

Remember when r/atheism was one of a few default subreddits everyone saw upon visiting reddit for the first time? that was a weird decision.

Dyle · Nov 24, 2018

Vonnegut said:
You agree that John Chau got what he deserved?

I read that after he was shot and killed with arrows, his body was torn apart. I don't think he deserved that.

Also, I am of the opinion that the Sentinelese tribe is allowed to remain undisturbed because scientists want to study their culture from a distance. The Sentinelese tribe probably would benefit from modern medical advances and modern farming techniques and all sorts of modern inventions, but instead their anachronistic existence is fascinating to academics so we leave them alone.

We were born to a family with access to modern comforts by chance. Imagine being born to a Sentinelese mother. You would be surrounded by a world of modern civilizations who have decided that the best thing to do for you and your family is to watch you from a distance.

You know that it's impossible to ask them if they want any of that, right? Even if we could fully communicate with them, it would be impossible to make them aware of the unfathomably gigantic list of advantages and disadvantages to such a change. This argument is exactly the same as what the imperialist missionaries did bringing Western civilization to the rest of the world, and it didn't work out to be all that great for many people involved. By assuming that they want anything that we have, we would be removing their own free will from the occasion and deciding their destiny for them, rather than allowing them to determine it for themselves.

If someday they leave the island and ask for help, then sure, but simply bringing them up to the standards of the modern world is far from a simple moral choice.

CrimzonSamurai · Nov 24, 2018

Vonnegut said:
You agree that John Chau got what he deserved?

I read that after he was shot and killed with arrows, his body was torn apart. I don't think he deserved that.

Also, I am of the opinion that the Sentinelese tribe is allowed to remain undisturbed because scientists want to study their culture from a distance. The Sentinelese tribe probably would benefit from modern medical advances and modern farming techniques and all sorts of modern inventions, but instead their anachronistic existence is fascinating to academics so we leave them alone.

We were born to a family with access to modern comforts by chance. Imagine being born to a Sentinelese mother. You would be surrounded by a world of modern civilizations who have decided that the best thing to do for you and your family is to watch you from a distance.

This is pretty ignorant. They're isolated and uncontacted because they want to be. It's not your place to decide what's best for them. Not to mention they probably wouldn't survive contact and assimilation anyway. These types of populations rarely do.

No scientist is sitting on the sidelines saying "oh they've got nutrition deficiencies all over the place but boy is this cool to watch." That's not how any of this works.

Conor419 · Nov 24, 2018

Mauricio_Magus said:
With the way news goes these days, we talk about things when it happened, and it's not like we're talking with the family members or people they knew, it's just news.

The facebook comments sections were a bit much, and no doubt the family members and friends would have seen them. I'd be fucking outraged if someone was making fun of a dead friend of mine, whether they'd done something bad or not.

The bigger question: why do we let idiots comment on issues they know nothing about?

samoyed · Nov 24, 2018

Think of the poor Sentinelese mother who might die in childbirth instead of safely tucked away in one of our many indigenous camps.

faceless · Nov 24, 2018

Vonnegut said:
You agree that John Chau got what he deserved?

I read that after he was shot and killed with arrows, his body was torn apart. I don't think he deserved that.

Also, I am of the opinion that the Sentinelese tribe is allowed to remain undisturbed because scientists want to study their culture from a distance. The Sentinelese tribe probably would benefit from modern medical advances and modern farming techniques and all sorts of modern inventions, but instead their anachronistic existence is fascinating to academics so we leave them alone.

We were born to a family with access to modern comforts by chance. Imagine being born to a Sentinelese mother. You would be surrounded by a world of modern civilizations who have decided that the best thing to do for you and your family is to watch you from a distance.

so you advocate forcing your will onto these people who just want to be left alone because of the all too familiar "think of the children" strawman?

this guy are sick · Nov 24, 2018

Congrats, you had the entirety of r/atheism to take aim at and you managed to pick the topic they're actually right on for once.

Nice one.

Karasseram · Nov 24, 2018

CrimzonSamurai said:
No scientist is sitting on the sidelines saying "oh they've got nutrition deficiencies all over the place but boy is this cool to watch." That's not how any of this works.

The whole human race was hunter gatherers in the ancient past. If you did their blood work you'd probably be shocked in how good health they are.

Deleted member 48897 · Nov 24, 2018

Vonnegut said:
The poster is upset because he believes that the tribe was totally within its right to kill John Chau. The poster believes that the family of the slain missionary is in no position to forgive the tribe, and that their son bears full responsibility for what happened.

I guess it's that I disagree with them about what forgiveness is then,which is to acknowledge and accept the negative effects of someone's actions even if they were justified.

Mauricio_Magus · Nov 24, 2018

Conor419 said:
The facebook comments sections were a bit much, and no doubt the family members and friends would have seen them. I'd be fucking outraged if someone was making fun of a dead friend of mine, whether they'd done something bad or not.

The bigger question: why do we let idiots comment on issues they know nothing about?

I agree that people shouldn't be throwing insults and just being assholes in general, but what are we going to do? People suck, that's reality.

That's also a reason I closed my facebook.

tulpa · Nov 24, 2018

It's always sad for the family when someone dies. But we have to be clear: the Sentinelese people have an absolute right to defend themselves and their way of life. Frankly, the OPs comment that it is some travesty that they don't have all of modern technology available to them is just the twenty-first century way of calling these people savages. How do you propose that they be given herd immunity and introduced to wider society? Technology isn't very useful to them if they're all dead from disease. They have an absolute right to protect themselves from imperialist adventurists like this missionary.

chainlinkspiral · Nov 24, 2018

this guy are sick said:
Congrats, you had the entirety of r/atheism to take aim at and you managed to pick the topic they're actually right on for once.

Nice one.

It's funny because it's true.

CrimzonSamurai · Nov 24, 2018

Karasseram said:
The whole human race was hunter gatherers in the ancient past. If you did their blood work you'd probably be shocked in how good health they are.

Oh, yeah I know. I'm actually really pro hunter-gatherer. I was just trying to show OP how silly that narrative was.

Lots of "white man's burden" in that implication.

TinfoilHatsROn · Nov 24, 2018

this guy are sick said:
Congrats, you had the entirety of r/atheism to take aim at and you managed to pick the topic they're actually right on for once.

Nice one.

Haha, pretty much.

You and everyone who agrees with you OP, fucking played yourselves lol

Lkr · Nov 24, 2018

samoyed said:
"I disagree with the rhetoric from r/atheism"

"Also imperialism is good we must bring the light of civilization to these savages"

Atheists are the worst man!!

Shelbyville Milhouse · Nov 24, 2018

Vonnegut said:
You agree that John Chau got what he deserved?

I read that after he was shot and killed with arrows, his body was torn apart. I don't think he deserved that.

Also, I am of the opinion that the Sentinelese tribe is allowed to remain undisturbed because scientists want to study their culture from a distance. The Sentinelese tribe probably would benefit from modern medical advances and modern farming techniques and all sorts of modern inventions, but instead their anachronistic existence is fascinating to academics so we leave them alone.

We were born to a family with access to modern comforts by chance. Imagine being born to a Sentinelese mother. You would be surrounded by a world of modern civilizations who have decided that the best thing to do for you and your family is to watch you from a distance.

So your solution is to go there despite them obviously not wanting you there and just force your civilization on them because it's better for them in the long run. And you get to decide that. They don't have a word in it. Just march in there, take away their weapons with which they were trying to get you to leave again and build a McDonalds

Vonnegut · Nov 24, 2018

It seems that ResetEra is fraught with the same type of people. I'm not religious, either. I don't profess any faith and I agree that the missionary shouldn't have done what he did.

But I still feel sympathy for a man who was taught, from a young age most likely, that he needed to go out and spread the word of god to people in order to save them from damnation, and in making that attempt he was killed and torn asunder.

These atheists on r/Atheism and some of the people on this forum are sitting on a high horse. And even though you are right that religion is harmful and that what this person did was wrong and stupid, you are using this event to bolster your egos and shit on this person for doing what he thought was the righteous thing to do.

John Chau was, in a sense, also a victim of the religion he professed. For that, I think he deserves sympathy.

Deleted member 176 · Nov 24, 2018

Zoc said:
You could have picked better examples, imo. You don't have to be atheist to dislike missionaries.

for real. I was gonna make a snarky reddit comment but none of that is bad.

TheLucasLite · Nov 24, 2018

I was expecting this thread to be about how the early 2000's "new atheism movement" reared its ugly anti-feminist CHUD infested shitholery around 2010 once they got bored of pointless debates with creationists. This John Chau stuff is rather tame to be honest, and is like, the least of the issues plaguing modern atheism.

Deleted member 176 · Nov 24, 2018

Vonnegut said:
John Chau was, in a sense, also a victim of the religion he professed. For that, I think he deserves sympathy.

boo hoo

It’s Time To Go · Nov 24, 2018

Vonnegut said:
It seems that ResetEra is fraught with the same type of people. I'm not religious, either. I don't profess any faith and I agree that the missionary shouldn't have done what he did.

But I still feel sympathy for a man who was taught, from a young age most likely, that he needed to go out and spread the word of god to people in order to save them from damnation, and in making that attempt he was killed and torn asunder.

These atheists on r/Atheism and some of the people on this forum are sitting on a high horse. And even though you are right that religion is harmful and that what this person did was wrong and stupid, you are using this event to bolster your egos and shit on this person for doing what he thought was the righteous thing to do.

John Chau was, in a sense, also a victim of the religion he professed. For that, I think he deserves sympathy.

I mean, lots of people think lots of bad stupid things are the right thing to do. Should we feel sympathy for them too?

ZhugeEX · Nov 24, 2018

nynt9 said:
Why make a thread here to argue about it? Keep Reddit drama on Reddit.

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Not to mention we already had a thread on the main news story itself.

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